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Guess not knowledge, but...


I'm thinking she's Daniel's Mom? He told Desmond to find his Mom at Oxford.
Yes, she was the woman who guided Desmond to the island.

(SPOILER?)


Guess not knowledge, but...


I'm thinking she's Daniel's Mom? He told Desmond to find his Mom at Oxford.
Nice, I buy it.

(SPOILER?)


Guess not knowledge, but...


I'm thinking she's Daniel's Mom? He told Desmond to find his Mom at Oxford.
Yes, she was the woman who guided Desmond to the island.

Ben went to see her right after he left Hurley's, so she's got to be in the states.

You know, I was thinking the same thing. The board with the big equation on it reminded me of Dan's board in The Constant.

I'm also thinking since she can predict stuff (as with the red shoe man) that with the pendulum and the equation and the computer, she knows where the Island is going, time travel wise. In the "70 hours" that's when the Island will be in the present time.

Well she's British and Daniel is not, but it's possible. It would certainly make some sense for Desmond already having a connection with her. So... interesting.

I so thought it was going to be Desmond and not Ben.

Ben went to see her right after he left Hurley's, so she's got to be in the states.

I think it could be Daniel's mom too, but that's an interesting point you bring up!

Ben went to see her right after he left Hurley's, so she's got to be in the states.

Right, good point.

You know, I was thinking the same thing. The board with the big equation on it reminded me of Dan's board in The Constant.

I'm also thinking since she can predict stuff (as with the red shoe man) that with the pendulum and the equation and the computer, she knows where the Island is going, time travel wise. In the "70 hours" that's when the Island will be in the present time.

I don't know if she's predicting, so much as knowing.

This lady appears to exist outside of time, so her being in the US in this episode is irrelevant, but I'm still not convinced she's Daniel's mom

So why, "God help us all" in the 70 hours???

^^^Maybe a doomsday like event (asteroids, tsunamis, earthquakes, Godzilla, etc) would happen.

What did Ben first say to her? I swear I heard "annie Locke?" like he was asking who she was. Now that I'm typing this maybe it was "any luck?". What did close caption say?

I'm pretty convinced that Hawking is Faraday's mother. She's who Faraday directed Desmond to see, probably at Oxford, and is also the person pulling Ben's strings. My guess is Ben had to change his timeframe with Jack since Hurley bailed, which is what a trip to England isn't out of the question. The 70 hour deadline appears to coincide with the Event Window, which is probably the (last?) opportunity to find and get to the Island for who knows how long. I would be interested if Faraday is on a similar deadline.

She tells Ben the same sort of thing she told Desmond - that he has to go to the island (this time with everybody) or they're all dead. She seems to have a good source!

The music when she was working at the computer and the chalkboard was great - it sounded new (from Giacchino) and very Hitchcockian, like the music in Vertigo.

Wasn't that an eery scene?!? So mysterious! I agree Ms Hawking mus be Daniel's Mom.

I wonder why all the candles and the cloak- almost religious in nature...

I wonder why all the candles and the cloak- almost religious in nature...

Good question. It looked like a front to me. She's masquerading as some sort of religious figure, probably at a chapel at Oxford.

I always figured Ms Hawking was a force for good so I'm confuzzled that she's helping Ben.

I always figured Ms Hawking was a force for good so I'm confuzzled that she's helping Ben.

I think she's a force for something that's ultimately indifferant: The Universe. The ends justify the means.

What did Ben first say to her? I swear I heard "annie Locke?" like he was asking who she was. Now that I'm typing this maybe it was "any luck?". What did close caption say?

He said "any luck?"

I always figured Ms Hawking was a force for good so I'm confuzzled that she's helping Ben.

But Ben said he was a good guy way back in season 2. And he said he doesn't lie so I trust him.:smile:

Ben went to see her right after he left Hurley's, so she's got to be in the states.Thats what I was thinking, but then again, last season Desmond talked to Penny in England and then very shortly thereafter she was in the middle of the ocean rescuing them. So who knows? :shrug:

I wonder why all the candles and the cloak- almost religious in nature...

From FBYE we see a picture of Brother Campbell and Mrs. Hawking on Campbells desk, at the monastary where Desmond was briefly. I'm going with the assumption that the room is there, at the monastary. She and Campbell are sort of the keepers of it.

"God help us all" was said by Pierre Chang, iirc, when explaining to the foreman why he shouldn't drill however many inches closer to the donkey wheel power source.

I thought it was interesting that Daniel told Desmond that he was special, that he could do things outside of the "rules" of time travel. That was contradicting what Ms Hawking has told Desmond, that it doesn't matter if he tries to change things - universe course-correcting and all.

I'm not totally opposed to Ms. Hawking being Daniel's mom but I haven't bought in to the idea yet. They have different last names and nationalities, not deal breakers I know but still.

What did Ben first say to her? I swear I heard "annie Locke?" like he was asking who she was. Now that I'm typing this maybe it was "any luck?". What did close caption say?I heard, "Are you the hawk?" But obviously I'm just insane! :biggrin:

Good question. It looked like a front to me. She's masquerading as some sort of religious figure, probably at a chapel at Oxford.

I think she's in L.A.

Ben says to Jack, "Wait here for six hours, I'm flying (or teleporting) to Oxford England, but I have to stop by and see Jill The Butcher so they can put Locke in cold storage. You want any steaks?"

As far as being a religious figure, she's hooded so I'm thinking she is in a church of some kind.

As I watched that scene, my BS detector went off and I knew I was watching two people BS each other. I think they're both not on the level.

I think she's in L.A.

Ben says to Jack, "Wait here for six hours, I'm flying (or teleporting) to Oxford England, but I have to stop by and see Jill The Butcher so they can put Locke in cold storage. You want any steaks?"

As far as being a religious figure, she's hooded so I'm thinking she is in a church of some kind.

As I watched that scene, my BS detector went off and I knew I was watching two people BS each other. I think they're both not on the level.

Right, but Ben missed the boat on Hurley, which threw a monkey wrench in his plans. That could have changed his timeframe with Jack and allowed a trip to England. I just can't buy Hawking being in LA, although it's a possibility.

I don't think she's Dan's Mom. I think that's going to be a reveal left for us and Desmond for a later episode.

But, how cool was the room with the chalk pendulum? I just about jumped out of my dang skin. Finally, a peek behind the curtain!

I don't think she's Dan's Mom. I think that's going to be a reveal left for us and Desmond for a later episode.

But, how cool was the room with the chalk pendulum? I just about jumped out of my dang skin. Finally, a peek behind the curtain!Remember how Des was jumping back and forth in TC? Didn't he have nosebleeds, like Charlotte was having tonight?

Before she turned around, I thought the scene was going to be of Des and Faraday's mom, and part of me expected Faraday's mom to be an aged Charlotte.

I don't think she's Dan's Mom. I think that's going to be a reveal left for us and Desmond for a later episode.

But, how cool was the room with the chalk pendulum? I just about jumped out of my dang skin. Finally, a peek behind the curtain!

I guess it could be a red herring, but the pieces fit. Faraday tells Desmond to find his mother at Oxford, and Hawking is England based with a clear interest in physics, not to mention a key player in the mythology of the show.

I think she's in L.A.

Ben says to Jack, "Wait here for six hours, I'm flying (or teleporting) to Oxford England, but I have to stop by and see Jill The Butcher so they can put Locke in cold storage. You want any steaks?"

As far as being a religious figure, she's hooded so I'm thinking she is in a church of some kind.

As I watched that scene, my BS detector went off and I knew I was watching two people BS each other. I think they're both not on the level.

I agree, PapaThor. I think she's in her secret basement lab beneath some kind of church or chapel in CA, since Ben stops by and he obviously doesn't have a lot of time to work with.

I don't know about the BS factor. Ben seemed a little nervous to me. Seems like she may be an authority figure to him, or at least has information that he lacks.
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I guess it could be a red herring, but the pieces fit. Faraday tells Desmond to find his mother at Oxford, and Hawking is England based with a clear interest in physics, not to mention a key player in the mythology of the show.

I think it may be a red herring. The whole hooded bit and circular staircase and church candles seem to evoke Brother Campbell's monastery and Oxford almost too deliberately, don't you think? And Ben's in California, no?

1. Anyone catch a good look at her jewerly this go-round? Was she wearing the same snake pin she wore with Desmond?

2. Anyone catch a good look at her eyes? For some reason they looked ... weird ... to me.

3. Why is she using such an old computer????

4. I've venture that she's in the City of Angels, not Oxford, for the scene with Ben. And Ben lighting candles???? Now that was even weirder than FF's eyes.

5. The computer screen--anyone got a screen cap of it to see what she was keying in prior to the Event Window message that popped up?

6. Ben knows her, huh? Does this mean she is working AGAINST Widmore???

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3. Why is she using such an old computer????

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It's exactly the one used in the Dharma hatches (Apple IIe, I think).
I would if her real last name is DeGroot?

...I don't know about the BS factor. Ben seemed a little nervous to me. Seems like she may be an authority figure to him, or at least has information that he lacks...
He really does treat her like an authority figure - one that he's familiar enough with not to be formal but still a little leery of her and any potential power she might have. I was surprised. I expected to see Des and not Ben.
I'm gonna have to rewatch so I can see what all she ws writing on the board.

Could Daniels mom be Ms. Hawking? She was photographed at Oxford with Brother Campbell. And Daniel knows an awful lot about the island.

For him to send Desmond to see his mom, she has to be someone who knows something about this island, physics or time travel, to do him any good. Ms. Hawking seems like the perfect match.

oooh i like that idea!

That's my guess. It has to be her all the clues fit as you listed.

very interesting indeed! nice find :)

Could Daniels mom be Ms. Hawking? She was photographed at Oxford with Brother Campbell. And Daniel knows an awful lot about the island.

For him to send Desmond to see his mom, she has to be someone who knows something about this island, physics or time travel, to do him any good. Ms. Hawking seems like the perfect match.

That is why I logged on to see if anyone thought so.

2. Anyone catch a good look at her eyes? For some reason they looked ... weird ... to me.

4. I've venture that she's in the City of Angels, not Oxford, for the scene with Ben. And Ben lighting candles???? Now that was even weirder than FF's eyes.

6. Ben knows her, huh? Does this mean she is working AGAINST Widmore???

2- Yes, they looked uncharacteristically and oddly- dark.
4- I got the impression that she was where Ben was, not that Ben was where she was, if that makes sense.
6- apparently, I guess. Which puts her whole relationship with Desmond into a very interesting perspective. :confused::yes:

2. Anyone catch a good look at her eyes? For some reason they looked ... weird ... to me.They appeared solid black to me & I watched in HD.

Exactly what my friends and I thought after the eppy was over. The fact that she lives in Oxford initially triggered the idea, but the more you think about it, the more it makes sense. Perhaps Ms. Hawking and her male counterpart (the Monk who mentored Desmond, his name escapes me) knows, as Daniel does, that Desmond is the key to saving the world/island, and the survival of others is totally contingent on the path Desmond takes. Which is why Ms. Hawking took such a strong interest in Desmond's path. His destiny wouldn't only be sealing the deal on the fate of the island, but on the progress of her son's journey as well.

I don't think it is an issue of where Hawkings was - she's only (at least up until now) been known to be in London, and I'd wager that that is where she is.

As far as Ben "getting to London" in such a short amount of time, I think Ben has travelling capabilities unbeknownst to us and he was able to get to London somehow. Wasn't the episode last season when he landed in Tunisia and then "ended up" in Egypt (I think it was Egypt) "suddenly" to see Sayid? And we all questioned how Ben got there so quickly then, as well.

When Faraday said, "see my mother," I immdiately thought of Hawkings. They have to be related.

he landed in Tunisia and then "ended up" in Egypt (I think it was Egypt) "suddenly" to see Sayid? And we all questioned how Ben got there so quickly then, as well.

When Faraday said, "see my mother," I immdiately thought of Hawkings. They have to be related.
It was Iraq, and I too thought of Ms. Hawking.

i thought so to at first. but the location doesnt make sense. daniel faraday's mother is suppose to be in oxford but ms. hawking was in LA with ben unless ben found a way to travel to oxford quickly. but it be cool if its true

I 100% agree that Mrs. Hawking is Dan's mom

More than likely. Especially since they cut him off in such dramatic and tense fashion when he's about to tell Desmond what her name is.

I absolutely believe that Mrs. Hawking is Dan's mom! In fact, as soon as he told Des to go find his mom at Oxford, but got cut off by the flash, I turned to my friends and said, "Ooh, it has to be Mrs. Hawking!"

Especially thinking back about the photograph of her and Brother Campbell at Oxford. Although, I always kind of assumed she was his mom. Maybe not, but maybe Brother Campbell and Dan are brothers! (Just throwing that out there).

Still, (and I know this doesn't matter much, since it depends on where a person is raised), but Mrs. Hawking has a British accent and Dan doesn't...

Also, I recently read in a TV Guide article that she (slightly spoilery) "turns out to be more important than you ever dreamed" (that's a quote from Michael Emerson)
That makes sense, since they've already had one scene together, and I get the feeling that Ben and Mrs. Hawking are either associates, or she is higher up than he is. The latter notion goes with another quote from Mr. Emerson from that same article: "we discover there are people Ben fears and to whom he must answer. "

My last piece of evidence supporting this theory is (again) from the same article: (Re: Dan, Charlotte, Miles) "Some of these people aren't who you think they are. And some of those people are related to people who used to be important or are going to be important. There is interconnectedness - some of it by blood - that is only slowly being revealed." - Michael Emerson

IMO, that pretty much settles it! :biggrin:

Sorry about the duplicate thread... I didn't recognize the actresses' name in the title of this one..

I think it goes without saying that Mrs Hawking = Faraday's mom. For those that aren't buying it, one thing that hints at it is that they both use the phrase "Then God help us all" in this episode. I'm sure Daniel picked up that little phrase from mummy... Also they had a similar style of writing on the chalkboard. I think it's a gimme.

She seems to be the guru of time; she's extremely educated about time anomolies, keeping the time continuum in tact, etc. Apparently she's able to calculate when time anomolies are going to occur, using a creepy pendulum to pinpoint it exactly.

It makes me wonder about when Desmond's conciousness time travelled and he ended up at the ring shop. How would Hawking's equations allow her to predict where and when Desmond is going to end up?! She was there waiting for him, and ready to correct his decision to keep him on the right path. It seems a bit farfetched that she is guiding him on the right path, and can track him through time jumps, but apparently she is able to do that.

The last scene was just sooo great. It was so creepy/spooky, and envoked images of demonic cults for me.

I think she is the author of the notebook, and passed it on to Daniel.

It also made me wonder... was SHE in charge of the Dharma initiative? Did she send her own team there to study time anomolies, and is now using the info from that research to course correct everyone?

Thoughts?!??!

--Josh--

I think it goes without saying that Mrs Hawking = Faraday's mom. For those that aren't buying it, one thing that hints at it is that they both use the phrase "Then God help us all" in this episode. I'm sure Daniel picked up that little phrase from mummy... Also they had a similar style of writing on the chalkboard. I think it's a gimme.



No, it's Chang who first uses that phrase, although Dan does overhear him.

Cardie

I thought it was interesting that Daniel told Desmond that he was special, that he could do things outside of the "rules" of time travel. That was contradicting what Ms Hawking has told Desmond, that it doesn't matter if he tries to change things - universe course-correcting and all.

I think this is actually a really clever clue. If what people are theorizing is true-- that Hawking is Faraday's mother then she would surely be looking out for her son. Therefore regardless of whether the "rules" apply to Desmond or not she needs him to go to the island because Faraday needs him here. If Desmond doesn't go to the island then Faraday has no constant, he has no-one to talk to when he knocks the hatch door, everything falls to pieces.

As soon as he said, "Find my mom at Oxford"...

I thought that was a no-brainer.
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Possible big spoiler:
Wasn't there an interview where poeple submitted their theories and one theory was that Ms. Hawkings disrupted time somehow and she was working on fixing it through the island? Didn't they say that it was too close and they couldn't comment?

where else have we seen her? was it just in the epi the constant? or has she been in other epis? thanks!

Also remember when Daniel was trying to explain to Sawyer about how you can't change the future - I thought any minute he'd say the future has a way of course-correcting.

Pendulum = foucault pendulum It's a device that is simply powered by gravity and once put in motion swings on a fixed inertial axis in space. If youlook at the scene, you will see some sort of mechanism on the pendulum attached to the weight. This device probably allows her to measure fluctuations in the Earth's gravimetric field and use that to help isolate anomalies and predict "event windows." Still she should upgrade her computer -- it would make her calculations go quicker.

I'm so glad some one brought this up! I definitely thought that. Can you imagine what the episode will be like when Des does find her (if Dan's mom IS Ms. Hawking)? I think his brain might explode.

3. Why is she using such an old computer????


I noticed that as I was watching...it's of the same vintage as the ones in the hatch.

-steve

I'll spoiler font this:

Apparently there's supposed to be an off-Island DI station. Perhaps that's where Hawking/Ben were in this episode.

I'm so glad some one brought this up! I definitely thought that. Can you imagine what the episode will be like when Des does find her (if Dan's mom IS Ms. Hawking)? I think his brain might explode.

I hope it won't :biggrin: - if it would work out like that... I just can remember this scene where Des and Hawkings sat on this bench in London and there was this man who did get killed. Hawkings knew it all along or was it a dream?

It was surreal wasn't it? (Or I just have a poor memory)...

im fairly certain that is where they are leading us

I think this could be true, but how did Ben get to Oxford so quickly? It seems as if his travels are a bit random if he got there other than by plane...

where else have we seen her? was it just in the epi the constant? or has she been in other epis? thanks!

She was in Flashes Before Your Eyes. Also, she appears in a photograph with Brother Campbell (monastary) that's sitting in his office. I think the photo is in Catch-22. <---Not sure on that.

I'll spoiler font this:

Apparently there's supposed to be an off-Island DI station. Perhaps that's where Hawking/Ben were in this episode.

This is true

If you look on Lostpedia they claim there is a Dharma logo on the computer she is using. "The Lighthouse".

I think this could be true, but how did Ben get to Oxford so quickly? It seems as if his travels are a bit random if he got there other than by plane...

Exactly, how could Ben jump from LA to Oxford in the same day and be back in LA the same night with Jack talking with Kate?

The only way that would be possible is if one of the "rules" of this show is that movement in "space" is as much as a variable as movements in "time'.

while this indeed seems like where they are heading, is it too obvious?

i thought so to at first. but the location doesnt make sense. daniel faraday's mother is suppose to be in oxford but ms. hawking was in LA with ben unless ben found a way to travel to oxford quickly. but it be cool if its true

I don't see how Ben with only 70 hrs left to do what it is he's trying to do would go from LA where the O6 are to Oxford.

Conversely, it doesn't make sense that a church in LA would have an old monk lady with a time travel pendulum. Something like that belongs under an Oxford cathedral.

2. Anyone catch a good look at her eyes? For some reason they looked ... weird ... to me.
They appeared solid black to me & I watched in HD.I'm starting to wonder now if perhaps she might only have 4 toes as well... :chin:

4. I've venture that she's in the City of Angels, not Oxford, for the scene with Ben.


I'm leaning this direction too, it makes so much more sense. Actually I'd say she's just under 3 hours from LA, hence Ben's giving Jack 6 hours. How far is Portland, by air? (just checked, it's 2 hrs 13 mins; that's too tight).

But if she's Daniel's mom (and I'm not yet convinced), that puts Des on a wild goose chase, doesn't it? He has to get to Oxford AND to LA. Hopefully he woke up with the new memory, a few days *before* Ben and Ms. H met.

Of course, running around madly is what Des does best...

I don't see how Ben with only 70 hrs left to do what it is he's trying to do would go from LA where the O6 are to Oxford.

Conversely, it doesn't make sense that a church in LA would have an old monk lady with a time travel pendulum. Something like that belongs under an Oxford cathedral.

ya im leaning towards ms hawking beening daniels mother. its just how fast ben arrived is bothering me. he went from trying to get hurley to beening with ms hawking pretty quicky. i dont know maybe it just the editing, maybe we are to believe ben traveled to oxford, or maybe ms hawking isnt in oxford.

Ben didn't travel anywhere, that's certain... but she could very well be in LA... travelling by... plane as Sun did :p Daniel sent Desmond to Oxford, because that's where she was supposed to be.

Mrs.Hawking... Dan's mom. There are pros and contras that you already pointed out. Lets summarize ;)

--Daniel knows too much about the island, Dharma to have found it all out on his own
--Why would Daniel send Desmond to her, unless she can help him? So she must know something...
--He was teaching at Oxford... why there, of all places? Why not at some famous University in the States?
--time seems to be both their major concerns
--both seem to share ideas about how you can't interfere with the course of time
--both think Desmond is a key figure in this story

But...

--their accent is different, which is rare within a family
--not to mention their names
--he had a "caretaker" back home, why wasn't she taking care of him?
--and well, it IS a little too obvious...

Still, I really like the idea :biggrin:

part of me expected Faraday's mom to be an aged Charlotte.

Ooohhh, gb! I like this thought. It makes my head hurt, but I like it!

I'm leaning this direction too, it makes so much more sense. Actually I'd say she's just under 3 hours from LA, hence Ben's giving Jack 6 hours. How far is Portland, by air? (just checked, it's 2 hrs 13 mins; that's too tight).

But if she's Daniel's mom (and I'm not yet convinced), that puts Des on a wild goose chase, doesn't it? He has to get to Oxford AND to LA. Hopefully he woke up with the new memory, a few days *before* Ben and Ms. H met.

Of course, running around madly is what Des does best...

What convinces you that Hawking is in the vicinity of L.A.?

Could it be Charlotte that is his mother, and his sending Dez to her in oxford has something to do with her constant?

It seemed that it was her nosebleed that inspired him to speak with Dez.

Ooohhh, gb! I like this thought. It makes my head hurt, but I like it!
thanks hb! i started having that thought when Daniel was so gentle with Charlotte on the island, maybe protecting her.

What convinces you that Hawking is in the vicinity of L.A.?

Well, for me, it's that Ben was in L.A. when he told Jack they'd meet up again in 6 hours. Also, he went to see Hurley who lives near L.A. It would only make sense for Hawking to be in that same town since Ben goes to see her immediately after the Hurley incident.

Could Daniels mom be Ms. Hawking? She was photographed at Oxford with Brother Campbell. And Daniel knows an awful lot about the island.

Nope, she was not. (This is a common misconception, though.) They were photographed at Eddington Monastery, where Brother Campbell worked.

The same location on Oahu, St. Andrew's priory, was used to represent both Eddington Monastery in "Catch-22" and Oxford in "The Constant".

(It also doubled as the church where Liam met Charlie in "The Moth", and as the Australian church Mr. Eko worked at in "?", for that matter.)

What convinces you that Hawking is in the vicinity of L.A.?
Who said I was convinced?
As I said, I just think it makes sense, given Ben's telling Jack he'd pick him up in 6 hours. edit: I agree with Donatien.
Ben knew Hurley was in jail when he met with Ms. H. H. So the most likely sequence is that Ben met with Ms. H after leaving Jack; that was his plan - to check in with her before proceeding.
I don't buy into Ben having any magical teleportation powers that would have gotten him to Oxford and back in 6 hours.

Who said I was convinced?
As I said, I just think it makes sense, given Ben's telling Jack he'd pick him up in 6 hours. edit: I agree with Donatien.
Ben knew Hurley was in jail when he met with Ms. H. H. So the most likely sequence is that Ben met with Ms. H after leaving Jack; that was his plan - to check in with her before proceeding.
I don't buy into Ben having any magical teleportation powers that would have gotten him to Oxford and back in 6 hours.Ben didn't find out Hurley was in jail when he was with Jack. Ben and Jack saw on the tv that Hurley was wanted in connection with 3 murders. Ben was with Hurley when he surrendered to the police, that's how he knew. And then Ben went to see Mrs. Hawking afterwards. Telling her, "I lost Hugo today."

Ben didn't find out Hurley was in jail when he was with Jack. Yes, I remembered that as soon as I hit post and I immediately edited it out - you'll see it's not in my post anymore, you were *really* quick on the trigger. :)

Yes, I remembered that as soon as I hit post and I immediately edited it out - you'll see it's not in my post anymore, you were *really* quick on the trigger. :)heehee :71:

But don't forget that Ben met with Hurley after he was with Jack and before he went to see Mrs. H.

I agree she could be Daniel's Mom. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw a woman working in the lab.
They also had that weird scene with Charlotte saying she couldn't remember her mother's maiden name...which could be underscoring that Mrs. Hawking is using her own maiden name...so she is not going by Faraday.

Nevermore - it was never said where the picture on Campbells desk was taken. We were supposed to recognize it as Oxford, no matter where the crew actually filmed it.

Lea_Lost - I don't have a problem with their different names or accents. Her surname could have changed, or one of them could be using an alias. Accent is not hereditary, it's locational. We don't know where Dan grew up. We know he spent some time in England, but he may have grown up in the states.

Considering that Dan looks the same in the 70's, the 90's and in 2004-5 - there has to be a LOT more to this guy than we know now. Has he been time tripping all along? Is he like Richard, what ever that turns out to be? Was he born on the island? Too many pieces of the puzzle still missing on Dan.

Nevermore - it was never said where the picture on Campbells desk was taken. We were supposed to recognize it as Oxford, no matter where the crew actually filmed it.

We hadn't seen Oxford yet by the time we saw the photo.

We did, however, see the monastery where Desmond spent some time within the same episode. It'd be weird to them to take a photo at the same location where they were filming scenes from the same episode the photo was first seen in, but intend it to represent a different place we wouldn't see until a season later, and which they might not even have chosen a location to shoot at for yet by the time they created that photo.

Ben didn't travel anywhere, that's certain... but she could very well be in LA... travelling by... plane as Sun did :p Daniel sent Desmond to Oxford, because that's where she was supposed to be.

Mrs.Hawking... Dan's mom. There are pros and contras that you already pointed out. Lets summarize ;)

--Daniel knows too much about the island, Dharma to have found it all out on his own
--Why would Daniel send Desmond to her, unless she can help him? So she must know something...
--He was teaching at Oxford... why there, of all places? Why not at some famous University in the States?
--time seems to be both their major concerns
--both seem to share ideas about how you can't interfere with the course of time
--both think Desmond is a key figure in this story

But...

--their accent is different, which is rare within a family
--not to mention their names
--he had a "caretaker" back home, why wasn't she taking care of him?
--and well, it IS a little too obvious...

Still, I really like the idea :biggrin:

Really good summary :thumbsup:

Yes, she's his mother. It was an immediate conclusion I made while watching.

No one need claim that "Ben got to Oxford too quickly from LA." What evidence is there that Mrs. Hawking was at Oxford when Ben went looking for her? Just because things happen at the same time on the show (especially now with all the time-travel thrown into the mix) doesn't mean they ACTUALLY happened at the same time.

Think about it. The Ben and Hawking meeting took place in 2008/9. Which means that when we go to the Losties' timeline on-island (ignoring for sake of argument the time-skipping), what we're actually seeing are flashbacks. Whatever happened in any of the on-island shots in the premiere happened three years ago in linear time.

Three years is a long time for Mrs. Hawking to have relocated to LA from Oxford. Perhaps when her son didn't return from the island she moved out there to be closer to the pacific? In case the island pops up in her time again?

It seemed like she was charting when the island will reappear in her time, anyway.

Exactly, how could Ben jump from LA to Oxford in the same day and be back in LA the same night with Jack talking with Kate?

The only way that would be possible is if one of the "rules" of this show is that movement in "space" is as much as a variable as movements in "time'.

Agreed. There are two other possible answers on how Ben got to Oxford so fast:

1) The writers willed it.
2) Wizards.

;)

Just kidding. I

If they can move an island through time, moving a person through space shouldn't be too much of a jump for the audience.

or

You can suspend belief enought to accept and island moving through time, but a person getting fro LA to Oxford is too much of a leap? ;)

I agree she could be Daniel's Mom. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw a woman working in the lab.
They also had that weird scene with Charlotte saying she couldn't remember her mother's maiden name...which could be underscoring that Mrs. Hawking is using her own maiden name...so she is not going by Faraday.

I don't think she's ever been identified on the show as Mrs.Hawking, has she? I think of it as more of a nickname that Darlton have given her because of her associations with time.

I don't think she's ever been identified on the show as Mrs.Hawking, has she? I think of it as more of a nickname that Darlton have given her because of her associations with time.

Agreed. They've been holding off giving her an on show reveal (for good reason).

I don't think she's ever been identified on the show as Mrs.Hawking, has she? I think of it as more of a nickname that Darlton have given her because of her associations with time.

Yeah, it was just how the writers referred to her. She could have any name they wanted to give her since nothing has been revealed yet on the show.

I wonder why all the candles and the cloak- almost religious in nature...

Dosn't like technology?

Dosn't like technology?
Yep, whimisically, I like her as Jacob's wife. :)

Yep, whimisically, I like her as Jacob's wife. :)

Now that you mention it, I like that idea as well. As far as her real name goes, we really don't know. The Ms. Hawking name would be a play on Stephen Hawking, the physicist, and so she could very well be Ms. Farraday.

Agreed. There are two other possible answers on how Ben got to Oxford so fast:

1) The writers willed it.
2) Wizards.

;)

Just kidding. I

If they can move an island through time, moving a person through space shouldn't be too much of a jump for the audience.

or

You can suspend belief enought to accept and island moving through time, but a person getting fro LA to Oxford is too much of a leap? ;)

you could be right, but we are lead to believe that the island is this special place where things happen that dont happen anywhere else. if there is a way to travel through time off ilsand i'd be very disappointed, all of a sudden the island wouldnt be so special anymore.

I also believe Mrs Hawking id=s Farady's mom..I also think that she is destiny...Ben said "Destiny is a fickle bitch" I think he was refering to Mrs Hawking

Fickle Vincent= LOL

At first I thought Mrs. Hawking was Dan's mother, but the more I think about it, the less likely it is. It's too simple imo.

Maybe it's not that it's too simple.
Maybe we have just become very smart.
After watching and studying this show for 4 years, we know how to relate to the Lost universe. The concept of unexpected character connections that once seemed mind-blowing are now common place. Instead of being surprised by them, we are searching them out.

I wondered if she'd turn out to be Charlotte's mom rather than Dan's mom since CSL has been trying to get back to the Island.

And we really don't have any solid evidence for whose mom she could be except

that spoilers have said that she has a relationship to someone

so we are all just guessing about maternal lineage.

Could Daniels mom be Ms. Hawking? She was photographed at Oxford with Brother Campbell. And Daniel knows an awful lot about the island.

For him to send Desmond to see his mom, she has to be someone who knows something about this island, physics or time travel, to do him any good. Ms. Hawking seems like the perfect match.

That was my original thought. Maybe Charlotte and Daniel (both having English back-grounds, considering Hawking is his mother,) are more tied together than we think.

She's also an old mistress of Widmores

Could Daniels mom be Ms. Hawking? She was photographed at Oxford with Brother Campbell. And Daniel knows an awful lot about the island.

For him to send Desmond to see his mom, she has to be someone who knows something about this island, physics or time travel, to do him any good. Ms. Hawking seems like the perfect match.

I think she is too and hasn't Desmond already meet her? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Good question. It looked like a front to me. She's masquerading as some sort of religious figure, probably at a chapel at Oxford.

a chapel or maybe a 'temple'
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I think she is too and hasn't Desmond already meet her? Or am I thinking of someone else?

he has, she directed Desmond to go to the island

I also believe Mrs Hawking id=s Farady's mom..I also think that she is destiny...Ben said "Destiny is a fickle vincent" I think he was refering to Mrs Hawking


That would be too funny if her name was "Destiny Faraday". Kind of a hippi name.. don't you think?

i think another possibility is that hawkings is charlotte's mum - that comment about her not remembering her mother's maiden name made me wonder...

both english too, possible dharma connection etc

the mothers maiden name comment from Charlotte is a powerful thing perhaps?


I'm thinking Widmore and Hawking hooked up once a upon a time possibly...

i think another possibility is that hawkings is charlotte's mum - that comment about her not remembering her mother's maiden name made me wonder...

both english too, possible dharma connection etc

Good observation. Seems the memory loss was important for us to remember. Perhaps TPTB are pointing at Mrs. Hawking being Charlotte's mother rather than Daniel's.

(SPOILER?)


Guess not knowledge, but...


I'm thinking she's Daniel's Mom? He told Desmond to find his Mom at Oxford.
Yes, she was the woman who guided Desmond to the island.
I couldn't agree more. :D

I wonder why all the candles and the cloak- almost religious in nature...

I felt like it was Da Vinci Code-ish.

I agree she could be Daniel's Mom. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw a woman working in the lab.
They also had that weird scene with Charlotte saying she couldn't remember her mother's maiden name...which could be underscoring that Mrs. Hawking is using her own maiden name...so she is not going by Faraday.

Good point. It raises the questions, as someone else points out later, that maybe Ms. Hawking is Charlotte's mom and not Danielle's. At least those two are both British.

Agreed. They've been holding off giving her an on show reveal (for good reason).

I totally forgot. Like Mr. Friendly. She could certainly be a Faraday or a Lewis. Maybe Darlton will be pull a Luke and Leia reveal and have Charlotte and Dan be long-lost siblings. That is why they get along well and have a bond (that is sort of romantic in nature, but more like siblings, I think.)

Maybe it's not that it's too simple.
Maybe we have just become very smart.
After watching and studying this show for 4 years, we know how to relate to the Lost universe. The concept of unexpected character connections that once seemed mind-blowing are now common place. Instead of being surprised by them, we are searching them out.

Yeah, there have been so many times when we superfans have figured something out ages in advance and been like "well it CAN'T be that..." and then it is. Because the casual viewer would have never guessed it. Sometimes we are still totally surprised and floored, but not as much as the casual viewer, that's for sure.

You know, I was thinking the same thing. The board with the big equation on it reminded me of Dan's board in The Constant.

I'm also thinking since she can predict stuff (as with the red shoe man) that with the pendulum and the equation and the computer, she knows where the Island is going, time travel wise. In the "70 hours" that's when the Island will be in the present time.

And thats how the Black Rock got in the jungle. The island time-jumped underneath it !! And thats how they will get back to the island. They will go to a spot, sit in a boat and wait.

what do you think about this...

when she says god help us it's refering to such a tear in time that all those that are dead return, in effect much of history never happened

i predict ms. hawking is charlottes mom
when charlotte was on the beach talking to daniel she mentioned how she cant remember her moms maiden name and ms. hawking is Miss which means single or a widow

also charlotte was born on the island in the dharma village where ben lived so if ms hawking is charlottes mom then ben knew her when he was growing up which would then explain the reason he is talking to her at the end.

yep, i said the same thing on page 11

i think another possibility is that hawkings is charlotte's mum - that comment about her not remembering her mother's maiden name made me wonder...

both english too, possible dharma connection etc
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i predict ms. hawking is charlottes mom
when charlotte was on the beach talking to daniel she mentioned how she cant remember her moms maiden name and ms. hawking is Miss which means single or a widow

also charlotte was born on the island in the dharma village where ben lived so if ms hawking is charlottes mom then ben knew her when he was growing up which would then explain the reason he is talking to her at the end.

to say that charlotte was born on the island is jumping to conclusions, all miles said was that she had been trying to get back there. - you may be right though...

preamble:

During the cuban missle crisis of October 1962, the world was suppose to /fated to end. It didn't because of what happened on the Island during that period. Ever since then, world history has been course correcting towards armagadden. However, the island remains been a bump in time causing the normal flow of time to skip the pending armaggedon scenario.

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Yall wrong.

Ms. Hawking is Charlotte's mom. She was one one of the Dharma Initiative scientist studying Time, and Charlotte was born on the Island.

When Charlotte said, "I was thinking of my mom, and all of a sudden I couldn't remember her maiden name." This is an example of how world history is closely course corrected itself to the armaggedon singularity. If the cuban missle crisis did lead to nuclear war, it necessitates disrupting Ms . Hawking's own timeline, thus her maiden name will be different. The closer the Island timeline gets to the post apocalyptic timeline, the more past events change, thus people in the present forgetting perfunctory memories.

preamble:

During the cuban missle crisis of October 1962, the world was suppose to /fated to end. It didn't because of what happened on the Island during that period. Ever since then, world history has been course correcting towards armagadden. However, the island remains been a bump in time causing the normal flow of time to skip the pending armaggedon scenario.

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Yall wrong.

Ms. Hawking is Charlotte's mom. She was one one of the Dharma Initiative scientist studying Time, and Charlotte was born on the Island.

When Charlotte said, "I was thinking of my mom, and all of a sudden I couldn't remember her maiden name." This is an example of how world history is closely course corrected itself to the armaggedon singularity. If the cuban missle crisis did lead to nuclear war, it necessitates disrupting Ms . Hawking's own timeline, thus her maiden name will be different. The closer the Island timeline gets to the post apocalyptic timeline, the more past events change, thus people in the present forgetting perfunctory memories.A woman's maiden name doesn't change. It's the name she was born with.

yep, i said the same thing on page 11


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to say that charlotte was born on the island is jumping to conclusions, all miles said was that she had been trying to get back there. - you may be right though...

The other clue that she was born there is she said to Daniel in Season 4's finale: "What would you say if I didn't know where I was born" or something like that.

The other clue that she was born there is she said to Daniel in Season 4's finale: "What would you say if I didn't know where I was born" or something like that.

she said - "i havent found where i was born yet" i think

the reason i dont think she was born on the island is because she seemed to be getting the sickness and i think that if you are born there you dont get it (just my speculation) :)

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knowsnothing613 - if you had read any of the thread - like the post above yours, you would see that other people have already speculated that Ms Hawking is charlottes mum.

I don't know if she's Charlotte's mom, but it seems too obvious for Hawking to be Faraday's mother.

Plus, what's he doing in Essex, Mass with a caretaker, if Hawking's his mother? I suppose the strike from last season could have influenced Faraday's story line. Despite the penchant for large number equations involving space/time and what not, I'm leaning on the side that Hawking is not Faraday's mom. Though I would assume that there is a connection between Hawking and Faraday's mom.

Desmond's heading to Oxford and we've seen Hawking and Ben trying to get the Oceanic Six back together before some Event Window, I'm thinking Desmond's trip to Oxford may have taken place some time before the Hawking/Ben scene. Maybe what kicks off Ben on his I-can-get-back-to-the-island kick. Next week can't come soon enough. Good thing they gave us two epsiodes to dissect in the mean time.

Didn't know this thread was up.. because of the actresses name I didnt recognize it... but Iposted atheory about Hawkings and Charlotte.. take a gander


http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=105998#post2067787

(SPOILER?)


Guess not knowledge, but...


I'm thinking she's Daniel's Mom? He told Desmond to find his Mom at Oxford.
Yes, she was the woman who guided Desmond to the island.

I think so too because there is too much of a coincidence

Didn't know this thread was up.. because of the actresses name I didnt recognize it... but Iposted atheory about Hawkings and Charlotte.. take a gander


http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=105998#post2067787


Actually, I like your theory about WHERE Hawkings is. I agree and here's why......

The Setup

1. Ben lies to Sayid last year when Sayid asks: How did you get off the island? And Ben replies that he took the sailboat and sailed to Fiji. This clearly did not happen.
2. Last week, when Jack asks Ben: When was the last time you saw Locke? Ben replies that they were in the Orchid that fateful day the island moved, and then Locke left. Ben leaves out the fact of Ben moving the island and getting transported via space-time to Tunisia.
3. We know the Others had technology available to them to leave the island, other than the submarine. Ben’s lieutenant, Tom (aka Zeke, aka Beardy McWeirdy) finds Michael back in NYC. This is after the time the submarine is destroyed by Locke. When Michael observes that they can come and go as they please, Tom replies that some of them can. Its obvious that the Others had a space-time transportation method available.
4. Hawkings is seen in the final scene last week with a computer that is the same vintage as all the Dharma computers on Craphole Is. She also has a blackboard rather than a whiteboard. Then she ascends to second floor, which appears to be a religious setting with Ben lighting candles.
5. Previously, Hawkings picture is seen with Brother Campbell, the monk who is training Des for the monk-hood. This makes the religious connection for Hawkings.
6. Hawkings and Chang both use the same phrase "God Help Us All".

The Theory

Ben and the Others have lied and kept hidden the fact that they can use space-time for world transport. So in the last scene when we see Ben in the church lighting candles for Hawkings – one wonders where this is. Ben is speaking of Hurley getting arrested, so we know the time is current to off-island events. But where is this? Is it in LA, where Ben has been working to get the O6 together?

Is it in Oxford? – because one might believe that the grey-haired formula-scratching Hawkings might be Faraday’s mother. We know that Faraday directed Des to Oxford to find his mother. If so, how did Ben get to Oxford so quickly?

I don’t think either makes sense. To me the church setting and the old computer is the tip-off. I believe that final scene takes place on Craphole Is. !!! And that is in the final destination that the Others were heading to last season – The Temple.

My guess is that Ben lied to Locke in the Orchid (what a surprise that would be). I don’t think Ben is precluded from returning to the island at all. In fact, I think he can return whenever he wants. His goal is to get the O6 back to the island to a) prevent some catastrophe and b) then assume control of the island for himself. He can’t accomplish b without a. So Ben transports to the Island to get instructions from the Hawkings, an old Dharma scientist, who has been doing her research in the last Dharma station of safety on the Island – The Temple.

Finally, who thinks the Ben and O6 will travel by air and/or boat back to Craphole Is. in the next 70 hours when most of them don’t even want to go? It would seem another mode of transport is required.

Actually, I like your theory about WHERE Hawkings is. I agree and here's why......

The Setup

1. Ben lies to Sayid last year when Sayid asks: How did you get off the island? And Ben replies that he took the sailboat and sailed to Fiji. This clearly did not happen.
2. Last week, when Jack asks Ben: When was the last time you saw Locke? Ben replies that they were in the Orchid that fateful day the island moved, and then Locke left. Ben leaves out the fact of Ben moving the island and getting transported via space-time to Tunisia.
3. We know the Others had technology available to them to leave the island, other than the submarine. Ben’s lieutenant, Tom (aka Zeke, aka Beardy McWeirdy) finds Michael back in NYC. This is after the time the submarine is destroyed by Locke. When Michael observes that they can come and go as they please, Tom replies that some of them can. Its obvious that the Others had a space-time transportation method available.


I don't know if it's obvious they had any space-time transportation method that was reliable and controllable, though it may be possible. Even the Vault, in the Orchid, returned the Bunny to the Vault. Something seems fishy about Ben's method of travel between places since he's been off island though.
But where is this? Is it in LA, where Ben has been working to get the O6 together?
I'd rule out L.A. because I don't see, nor did I see any the few years I lived in San Diego, any buildings with basements. Especially in L.A., the high earthquake zone that it is. I dont' see the church being in L.A.

It could be in or near Portland, OR. There's Mittelos Bioscience there, where Richard recruited Juliet from and tried to get Locke. It would appear for whatever reason that Widmore doesn't have a hand in it, why not have the secret station under a church near there? It would make sense with the six hour window Ben gave to Jack. A quick flight up the coast, after leaving Locke's body with Jill the Butcher, and then a quick trip back down.

However, with Daniel telling Desmond to go to Oxford, I have to think that Desmond will atleast run into Hawking. Or she him. Regardless of if she's Faraday's mother or not. The last time we saw her was the UK or Scotland or wherever Des and Penny were that day he went to get he ring. With Widmore there, and Hawking seeming more and more like a watch dog, I don't know if she'd be in a Dharma Station/Room, under a church in Portland.

Plus there's the whole Brother Campbell/Hawking photograph and the fact that a monastery full of monks seems like an excellent place to hide something of that importance.

Which again circles back to Ben and his curious mode of travel. If it is Brother Campbells monastery that room is in, I wonder if we'll get an explanation on his mode of travel off island. I don't think it's an oversight on the writers part that Jack and thus us fans, were given a six hour window of time for Ben to work in.


I don’t think either makes sense. To me the church setting and the old computer is the tip-off. I believe that final scene takes place on Craphole Is. !!! And that is in the final destination that the Others were heading to last season – The Temple.

My guess is that Ben lied to Locke in the Orchid (what a surprise that would be). I don’t think Ben is precluded from returning to the island at all. In fact, I think he can return whenever he wants. His goal is to get the O6 back to the island to a) prevent some catastrophe and b) then assume control of the island for himself. He can’t accomplish b without a. So Ben transports to the Island to get instructions from the Hawkings, an old Dharma scientist, who has been doing her research in the last Dharma station of safety on the Island – The Temple.

Finally, who thinks the Ben and O6 will travel by air and/or boat back to Craphole Is. in the next 70 hours when most of them don’t even want to go? It would seem another mode of transport is required.

Ben just transporting to the island, from off the island, seems a stretch for me. All the TT and skipping around derives from the island. The Orchid, situated next to that huge power source of negatively charged exotic matter; and the Swan's EM detonation that sent Desmond's consciouness TT.

We haven't seen direct teleporting. We've seen a time displacement teleporting, but nothing so far, imo, that can resemble the Star Trek method. The bunny in the Vault that disappeared for however many miliseconds, started and ended in the same spot. I suppose, to make an example of Tom, he could have started in the Vault, been displaced for three or four days to New York, and returned back to the Vault assuming the technology allows them such calculations and precision, but it would again have to originate on the island.

I think Ben may not have lied to Locke when he said he couldn't return to the island, as long as it was Jacob who had asked them to move it, but as we saw it was Christian Shepherd, speaking on Jacob's behalf (and who knows if that isn't a lie?) that said to move it. Locke never mentioned that it wasn't Jacob in the cabin and Ben never asked.

Finding out after the fact, if Locke pays Ben a visit off island, Ben may realize he's been duped.

I don't know if it's obvious they had any space-time transportation method that was reliable and controllable, though it may be possible. Even the Vault, in the Orchid, returned the Bunny to the Vault. Something seems fishy about Ben's method of travel between places since he's been off island though.

I'd rule out L.A. because I don't see, nor did I see any the few years I lived in San Diego, any buildings with basements. Especially in L.A., the high earthquake zone that it is. I dont' see the church being in L.A.

It could be in or near Portland, OR. There's Mittelos Bioscience there, where Richard recruited Juliet from and tried to get Locke. It would appear for whatever reason that Widmore doesn't have a hand in it, why not have the secret station under a church near there? It would make sense with the six hour window Ben gave to Jack. A quick flight up the coast, after leaving Locke's body with Jill the Butcher, and then a quick trip back down.

However, with Daniel telling Desmond to go to Oxford, I have to think that Desmond will atleast run into Hawking. Or she him. Regardless of if she's Faraday's mother or not. The last time we saw her was the UK or Scotland or wherever Des and Penny were that day he went to get he ring. With Widmore there, and Hawking seeming more and more like a watch dog, I don't know if she'd be in a Dharma Station/Room, under a church in Portland.

Plus there's the whole Brother Campbell/Hawking photograph and the fact that a monastery full of monks seems like an excellent place to hide something of that importance.

Which again circles back to Ben and his curious mode of travel. If it is Brother Campbells monastery that room is in, I wonder if we'll get an explanation on his mode of travel off island. I don't think it's an oversight on the writers part that Jack and thus us fans, were given a six hour window of time for Ben to work in.


Ben just transporting to the island, from off the island, seems a stretch for me. All the TT and skipping around derives from the island. The Orchid, situated next to that huge power source of negatively charged exotic matter; and the Swan's EM detonation that sent Desmond's consciouness TT.

We haven't seen direct teleporting. We've seen a time displacement teleporting, but nothing so far, imo, that can resemble the Star Trek method. The bunny in the Vault that disappeared for however many miliseconds, started and ended in the same spot. I suppose, to make an example of Tom, he could have started in the Vault, been displaced for three or four days to New York, and returned back to the Vault assuming the technology allows them such calculations and precision, but it would again have to originate on the island.

I think Ben may not have lied to Locke when he said he couldn't return to the island, as long as it was Jacob who had asked them to move it, but as we saw it was Christian Shepherd, speaking on Jacob's behalf (and who knows if that isn't a lie?) that said to move it. Locke never mentioned that it wasn't Jacob in the cabin and Ben never asked.

Finding out after the fact, if Locke pays Ben a visit off island, Ben may realize he's been duped.

Forgive the pun, but time will tell.