Did anyone else wonder is Marvin Candle/Dr. Chang's baby grows up to be Miles? That could explain why Miles is special. . .

omg.... brilliant. I hadn't thought of that! That baby is important. Has to be.

Miles was my first thought too. Wonder if we'll find out what happened to Marvin's arm.

Who are we thinking this is?
This concept was introduced during the summer film clip.

Could this be Miles?

WOW! That's a good observation! What if he and Charlotte were children of the Dharma Innitiative raised by others to keep them safe?

I'm VERY excited to find out about the arm! Hopefully, we'll also run into Rousseau's team and find out what happened to Montond(sp)'s arm!

Miles was my first thought too. Wonder if we'll find out what happened to Marvin's arm.

I want to know what happened to Montand's arm:biggrin:

It looked like a Caucasian baby to me, but I could be wrong. My first thought was that it wasn't their natural child.

Did anyone else wonder is Marvin Candle/Dr. Chang's baby grows up to be Miles? That could explain why Miles is special. . .

OMG -- brilliant idea. I hope it's true, because that's great!

I like that idea. It also explains his snarkiness.

So if we go back to the opening scene where the Asian woman is waking the man to tend to the baby . . . nah, that couldn't have been Dr Candle getting out of bed. But still, the baby could be Miles.

I kept listening for one or the other of them to say the baby's name. However, my theory is that even though Miles is proably their son, his name was changed after he left the Island - much like Walt's.

Another question may be- why was there a baby on the island? Were the others able to have children in the past?

This is a really interesting theory, especially since Charlotte, Frank, and now Faraday have ties to the island, and as far as I remember Miles has yet to have any ties to it. It could certainly be plausible.

Another question may be- why was there a baby on the island? Were the others able to have children in the past?

Yeah. I think this may be the more significant point of speculation than the identity of the baby. The baby is no doubt someone we've already met, or someone significant, quite possibly Miles... but the more important question is the one you pose.

That baby looked pretty new. And Candle seemed as if he'd been there for awhile... Was this an on-Island birth? If so, this is more intriguing than the possible identity of the baby, IMO.

This is a really interesting theory, especially since Charlotte, Frank, and now Faraday have ties to the island, and as far as I remember Miles has yet to have any ties to it. It could certainly be plausible.

Really... What is Frank's tie to the Island? Other than that he was supposed to pilot 815? (which isn't much of a "tie", if you ask me) And what is Faraday's, for that matter?

Another question may be- why was there a baby on the island? Were the others able to have children in the past?

Right, dur. Huh. Well maybe the baby problems start to happen later. And maybe we'll see why and how?

This is a really interesting theory, especially since Charlotte, Frank, and now Faraday have ties to the island, and as far as I remember Miles has yet to have any ties to it. It could certainly be plausible.

Well it might explain why Miles knew that Charlotte was looking for where she was born... maybe they are both from the island and Miles remembers her but she doesn't remember him.

My dad has been saying Miles is Candle's son since the first time he appeared
hehehe

Do we know that Dharma had fertility problems, or was it just the "hostiles" like Richard? There was a classroom full of kids when Ben was a boy with Dharma.

Yes, I was wondering if that baby was conceived and/or born on the island, too. Could the digging out and building of the station be part of the fertility problem? Exposing the whachamahoozie power source? We saw the guy right there on the floor all bloodied up from working on it...

My money is on Miles...
No doubt.. But with LOST, ya never know.

Yeah, it seems that the fertility problems cam along after Dharma was already settled in.

Really... What is Frank's tie to the Island? Other than he was supposed to pilot 815?(which isn't much of a "tie", if you ask me) And what's Faraday's, for that matter?

Well, Frank knew the pilot as well, and I agree with you when you say that isn't much of tie. And as for Faraday, I think working for the Dharma Initiative is a pretty big tie, mind you.

...Really... What is Frank's tie to the Island? Other than that he was supposed to pilot 815? (which isn't much of a "tie", if you ask me) And what is Faraday's, for that matter?

We don't know if Frank had a tie to the Island other than he was supposed to be the pilot. We might be finding out pretty soon what Faraday's connection is fairly soon since he's sent Des to find his mom.

My dad has been saying Miles is Candle's son since the first time he appeared
hehehe

lol, yeah there was a thread about this after Confirmed Dead last season. Touched a few nerves actually. It was discussed again after the Comic Con video during the summer and now here it is again!

I thought that baby was white. But it would make for a weird, maybe almost tender, moment if Miles meets his father's spirit on the island.

Miles was my first thought too. Wonder if we'll find out what happened to Marvin's arm.

I'm VERY excited to find out about the arm! Hopefully, we'll also run into Rousseau's team and find out what happened to Montond(sp)'s arm!

I wonder if it has anything to do with those people who captured Sawyer and Juliet? Afterall they were goung to cut off Juliet's hand. If these people did have something to do with it I wonder if Locke "changed" things by killing them. Or did Locke kill them after they had already cut the arms off?

My initial reaction to seeing that baby was shouting "Miles" at the screen. It really seems like the camera makes it a point to show us the baby, to make sure we saw it. This could be very cool, but does this mean his "dead people seeing" abilities are somehow a result of him being born on the island (if we're assuming he was born there)?

It's gotta be Miles. If he was born on the island, it would explain his ability to talk to the dead on some level. I love this show.

totally Myles!!! but then I'm wondering how he got off or why he doesn't talk about his past

Oh my goodness! That never even occurred to me!

It could definitely be Miles, but I'm loathe to theorize that it is simply because the baby didn't seem to be much of a focus. Also, we know Charlotte was born on the island (or so she says) but Miles didn't allude to anything similar to that, did he?


Also, wouldn't this bring up the dilemma of having two Miles' (Mileses? lol) exist on the same island at the same time. Since the "rules" of time-travel haven't been clearly defined just yet, I'm not sure how this works, but it seems to go against common logic that older-Miles could potentially run the risk of coming in contact with baby-Miles.

So my guess is that it's not him, although it would be crazy if it was!

I haven't re-watched the episode yet, but on another forum, they said the baby was referred to as "her."

I missed this, and will pay attention when I re-watch the epi this weekend, but on another forum everyone was claiming that they referred to the baby as "her." Does anybody have confirmation one way or the other if they referred to the child in the feminine or masculine?

This is why I love this forum.. I would have never even have thought anything of that baby.. but duh... I should have known that they added that scene in there for a reason. Would make total sense for it to be myles :). w2g.

I haven't re-watched the episode yet, but on another forum, they said the baby was referred to as "her."

I think the line was "it's your turn"

I think the line was "it's your turn"

Thanks Enigma. I'll pay attention when I watch it the second time, but my first thought was Miles too, until I saw the discussion where everyone was suggesting Charlotte because they were sure the baby was referred to in the feminine.

My initial reaction to seeing that baby was shouting "Miles" at the screen. It really seems like the camera makes it a point to show us the baby, to make sure we saw it. This could be very cool, but does this mean his "dead people seeing" abilities are somehow a result of him being born on the island (if we're assuming he was born there)?

I think Miles' abilities may have to do with him being on the island at some point before he arrived on the freighter (or he was born there) and then he LEFT the island. It was only on leaving the island that he gained this new ability to communicate with dead people.

Like someone else we know.

I think that the baby looked white and didn't it have red hair? What if it's Charlotte being raised by the Candles? That would explain why she was so excited to be on the island again?

My first thought was that it was Miles. I thought the baby had dark hair.

Also, wouldn't this bring up the dilemma of having two Miles' (Mileses? lol) exist on the same island at the same time. Since the "rules" of time-travel haven't been clearly defined just yet, I'm not sure how this works, but it seems to go against common logic that older-Miles could potentially run the risk of coming in contact with baby-Miles.

In the Orchid Video showed at ComiCon before S4, Pierre Chang is shown with a rabbit that apparently also appears in another place in the set...at this moment there are two rabbits...the same rabbit, and Chang says something like " Do NOT let them near each other!" and there is a sense of uber urgency in what he says.

So maybe there could be two Miles' but they CANNOT be near each other?

I thought the baby scene was there merely to illustrate that the pregnancy problem on the island was a recent phenomenon, possibly only occurring after "the incident" (which may have to do with the Orchid station?)

Perhaps Miles is the baby, or the baby is Miles and that's why he knew exactly where the dead boar would be? since he had already been here on the island?

I thought the baby scene was there merely to illustrate that the pregnancy problem on the island was a recent phenomenon, possibly only occurring after "the incident" (which may have to do with the Orchid station?)

Nice catch here. I was wondering this as well.

I dunno it's an asian baby because his mom and dad are both asian. It would be a bit unbelievable to have Charlotte AND Miles born on the island. I don't think miles is a possibility because of this.

I thought the baby scene was there merely to illustrate that the pregnancy problem on the island was a recent phenomenon, possibly only occurring after "the incident" (which may have to do with the Orchid station?)

This is what I thought too.

That would be an awesome connection if it were Miles!
Do you think that Miles, Dan, and Charlotte know another way off the island besides moving it in time? do they remember how they once left the island?

Is it jsut me or that baby didn't seem like their son?

i was thinking that the baby did not look asian as well

I thinks It's Alex.

The baby isn't Alex.

But perhaps all the children on the Island at the time of the 'incident' were removed from the Island before or after.

I dunno it's an asian baby because his mom and dad are both asian. It would be a bit unbelievable to have Charlotte AND Miles born on the island. I don't think miles is a possibility because of this.

It could go a long way towards explaining why this "misfit" team was chosen to go to the island by Widmore.

I thinks It's Alex.

That would be interesting...

if you look at the video here http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dharma_booth_video he clearly says take HIM out of here

Perhaps Miles is the baby, or the baby is Miles and that's why he knew exactly where the dead boar would be? since he had already been here on the island?
The boar was laready dead. Since it was dead "for three hours" .. and Miles can talk to the dead ... he knew where to find it.

if miles is the son and he can talk to dead people, he could talk to his dad and find out more info...allthough he might not know that candle is his dad

The baby looked white to me. I think the reason the Candles were seen as the "parents" was to make it obvious that it was an "adopted" baby (but obviously it's not obvious to other viewers!). Also, the "mother" looked older than most (not all) new moms.

I was thinking the baby was Karl, but Charlotte works, too. It could even be Alex--she could have been "adopted" more than once.

I think Miles' abilities may have to do with him being on the island at some point before he arrived on the freighter (or he was born there) and then he LEFT the island. It was only on leaving the island that he gained this new ability to communicate with dead people.

Like someone else we know.

Ooh! I hadn't thought of that! Good observation!

Hey all..this is slightly off the main subject, but something I noticed upon re-watching this morning...as Candle is walking to the house to do the orientation film, a woman and a man walk past. Maybe 5 or 6 months. She sorta has Carlotte's "coloration". Reddish hair, fair skin.
Anybody else notice this?

Did anyone else wonder is Marvin Candle/Dr. Chang's baby grows up to be Miles? That could explain why Miles is special. . .


!!!!!!!! That's exactly what I thought! It would also explain his powers...

I thinks It's Alex.
Alex was, what, 16, 17 when Keamy killed her? (2004, island time.) I'm pretty sure we're safe to say that the Dharma stations were active much earlier than 1987-88, based on the technology we've seen in the hatches, and the dates on the orientation videos. The events that we saw in the opening were occurring while the Orchid station is being built (and perhaps before the Swan was needed, if what we saw becomes the "incident" we learned about in S2.) That baby would have to be at least 24, or even into his/her 30s, in 2004. Can't be Alex.

The bigger question is...was this baby born on the island? If so, how did it survive?

Yeah, it seems that the fertility problems cam along after Dharma was already settled in.

It seems like it may of come about with them trying to harness some of the island energy and something going wrong and it ends up effecting the women on the island. They had hatches and stations all over doing all kinds of experiments so there are plenty of possibilities that something went wrong. Say with the Orchid or the Swan since they seem to be the most powerful stations.

And as for Faraday, I think working for the Dharma Initiative is a pretty big tie, mind you.

From what I have seen he's not so much working for them as trying to fix his and the rest problem of sliding through time. I say he shifted to a time that the Orchid was being built and was trying to get to the FDW to stop the island from shifting again.

The baby doesn't look very Asian, but who knows. I know this is a far-fetched idea but I'm throwing it out there anyway. Might it be Sun? Her father has ties, maybe they took her off the island as they did with Charlotte. Or, maybe her mother fled the island, as she did, and ended up in Korea married to the man Sun thinks is her father.

IF she was born on the island (pre-incident) could she have given birth without incident?

Wonder if we'll find out what happened to Marvin's arm.

what's the problem with marvin's arm?

Yeah, took me about five seconds to jump to that conclusion.

The baby is definitely asian, has dark hair, and the line is "it's your turn"

I think the whole team was born on-island.

no red hair http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season5/5x01a/5x03-because-007.jpg

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season5/5x01a/5x03-because-006.jpg

witching blue: is this the woman you are referring to? http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season5/5x01a/5x03-because-008.jpg

witching blue: is this the woman you are referring to? http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season5/5x01a/5x03-because-008.jpg

Yep. As she walks into the frame, she looks pregnant to me. Who knows. Maybe I'm way off.

What was the song played on the skipping record? I bet we will hear it later in the season.

Well, seeing those photos blows my theory. I swear I saw a blonde, white baby and assumed it to be Charlotte. However, Miles would make some sense, seeing the tone of voice he used with Charlotte about her getting back to where she was born. "What DO I mean?"

What was the song played on the skipping record? I bet we will hear it later in the season.

"Shotgun Willie" by Willie Nelson, ca. 1973 or so. ;)

The fact that the baby was being bottle-fed may be another clue that it's not the mother's biological child.

I still don't think that baby looks Asian, but at least the second pic is ambivalent.

The fact that the baby was being bottle-fed may be another clue that it's not the mother's biological child.

I still don't think that baby looks Asian, but at least the second pic is ambivalent.

Being bottle fed isn't a clue to a baby not being someone's biological child. The baby was being bottle fed because Chang (the father) was feeding the baby, not the mother. The milk in the bottle could easily have been the mother's milk.

I think the baby is Miles, the attitude would match his fathers, lol.
I also think Charlotte was born on the island. I think she is DeGroots, or maybe Annie is the Degroots. I have no reasoning for this, just pulling it out of my behind.

Being bottle fed isn't a clue to a baby not being someone's biological child. The baby was being bottle fed because Chang (the father) was feeding the baby, not the mother. The milk in the bottle could easily have been the mother's milk.

Ahh, but what if the men are the ones that lactate on the Island? What if the men are the ones that actually carry the child? This proves that Chang is not the biological father of the baby and in fact just a wayward man that didn't use protection. This nice woman took him in to help raise his child and he must feed the baby with another man's milk! Oh the shame he must have felt. the eyes of all the other Dharma folk looking at him saying silently "Slut"! The deep burden Chang felt led him to cut off his own arm. When the purge came it must have been a sweet relief. Poor, poor man.

A possibility no one has brought up yet...I saw someone suggest Sun, but why not Jin? He's the one with questionable parentage. His "mother" just brought him to the fisherman father figure who admittedly didn't even know if Jin was his child or not. Anyone think there could be a connection here?

Not sure i believe this? Miles will be special for finding people who have just died etc (like he did with the boar)

It could be Miles... or anyone else really. I agree with the other posters here that say the really big reveal here is that there's a baby that could very easily have been conceived and born on the island. The timing seems to match up (age of baby less time than Candle has been on the island).

Taking one step further this would suggest to us that this birth happened before the "incident". We've all been wondering what the incident was all this time and I think this scene is giving us a really strong clue that the incident is the Orchid releasing it's energy and causing all sorts of chaos, killing unborn babies and their mothers being one.

This scene was far more important than merely trying to guess who the baby grows up to be. Every season-opening scene to date was of tremendous importance to furthering the story. This is one of them as well.

maybe Candle's son get's duplicated, somehow recking future childbirth

If the child is someone we already know, then the scope of choices is narrowed significantly. The child does look Asian to me, and that would leave the choices to be Miles or Jin. I did try to compare the look of the woman to Jin's mother - but I don't think they look very similar. So if the child is someone we know already - then I'd say it's Miles.

I agree that the more significant reveal is a baby on the island - possibly born on the island.

I like that idea. It also explains his snarkiness.



Yes-- that made sense to me as well. They're both very acerbic, to say the least.

It's been my theory for the past season or so that anyone who has EVER been to the island (even, perhaps as a corpse, see Christian Shepard and Yemi) becomes potentially unfixed in time after that point in their chronological age. This allows them (the Losties, and all the whisperers, etc.) to bleed between timeframes, given the right electromagnetic conditions. Some of them are in control of this ability and others are not.

The manifestation of this in Miles might be his ability to commune with the recently dead, something he does not yet understand but which he knows can be enabled by his little dustbuster (which may itself be a little micro generator of electromagnetism).

I haven't been on this board in months... guess I'm diving right back in!
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I think Miles' abilities may have to do with him being on the island at some point before he arrived on the freighter (or he was born there) and then he LEFT the island. It was only on leaving the island that he gained this new ability to communicate with dead people.

Like someone else we know.

Sorry I missed this post-- I agree, obviously.

Ahh, but what if the men are the ones that lactate on the Island? What if the men are the ones that actually carry the child? This proves that Chang is not the biological father of the baby and in fact just a wayward man that didn't use protection. This nice woman took him in to help raise his child and he must feed the baby with another man's milk! Oh the shame he must have felt. the eyes of all the other Dharma folk looking at him saying silently "Slut"! The deep burden Chang felt led him to cut off his own arm. When the purge came it must have been a sweet relief. Poor, poor man.And there we have it! Why do we try for the complex & farfetched when the simplest & most reasonable explanation stares us in the face?! Good call! (And very funny! :biggrin:)

what's the problem with marvin's arm?Judging from his videos he lost it somewhere along the way. Or at least it was rendered useless. Don't remember which vid shows it. Probably someone else can tell us.

And there we have it! Why do we try for the complex & farfetched when the simplest & most reasonable explanation stares us in the face?! Good call! (And very funny! :biggrin:)

Judging from his videos he lost it somewhere along the way. Or at least it was rendered useless. Don't remember which vid shows it. Probably someone else can tell us.

I think he had a useless arm in the FIRST Dharma video we saw, the one in the Swan hatch. He made a very odd "namaste" gesture with one hand, not two. In the "later" videos we saw, he used both arms.

This was intriguing to us way back in Season 1 because Danielle had mentioned "where Montand lost his arm." Now, in season 5, the guys who wanted to chop off Juliet's hands are another ominous reference.

Charlotte spoke Korean no? She is Candle's child, the last child? What happened to him? Could he be her (nose bleed) required constant?

His Daughter is Charlotte? Remember she's been here before, plus she unexplainably spoke Korean. The mother comment too, am i on to something:hypocrit:

1) Who says Chang is Korean?
2) Chang and his wife (?) are both of Asian ethnicity. Charlotte doesn't look even remotely Asian.
3) Language skills aren't inherited, you know. You need to LEARN a language, despite what sci-fi TV tells you.

I agree that the possibility of Charlotte being the daughter of Chang would help explain her Korean language skills if, in fact, they are of Korean descent.

Nevermore, all it takes to learn a language is to be brought up in a family that spoke it at home. Despite being born in America, I speak a second language because we never spoke English at home growing up. I spoke Russian long before English. If the scenario that Charlotte is born into a bilingual family then this would explain her foreign language knowledge.

Charlotte would have to have been adopted. Outside of that though, I think its a far better idea than Miles having been the son. Underscores even better her fascination with Dharma and I like the synergy of Daniel having also been in that opening scene (although he was in the mine shaft).

1) Who says Chang is Korean?
2) Chang and his wife (?) are both of Asian ethnicity. Charlotte doesn't look even remotely Asian.
3) Language skills aren't inherited, you know. You need to LEARN a language, despite what sci-fi TV tells you.


no-one, this board is for speculating. It's likely he is asian in some way though


2. sorry i didn't notice his wife so well...

3. Yeah, i get a feeling she spent some of her childhood there and has forgotten it

No. That baby was Asian, and a boy. Also, a lot of non-Asian people can speak Korean.
I'll say it one more time: That baby is not Charlotte. :lol:

No. That baby was Asian, and a boy. Also, a lot of non-Asian people can speak Korean.
I'll say it one more time: That baby is not Charlotte. :lol:

How do we know it's a boy?

Charlotte knows many languages, remember her travelling companion asked how many languages she could read the news about 815 being found before she would believe it?

Charlotte knows many languages, remember her travelling companion asked how many languages she could read the news about 815 being found before she would believe it?

Ah yes. Thank you for that reminder.

How do we know it's a boy?

This is from the comic-con 2008 Dharma booth video:

DR. CHANG: Dammit Lara, just take him outside, please! I have one chance at this. (Chang sits back down.)

This is from the comic-con 2008 Dharma booth video:

DR. CHANG: Dammit Lara, just take him outside, please! I have one chance at this. (Chang sits back down.)

Ohhhhhhhhhkaaaaaayyyyy. Not something we would know from the episodes. Makes sense now.

Could the baby that Dr. Candle was feeding in the beginning of the episode be Miles? When Miles and Sawyer, et al. are walking to the hatch, Miles states that "It took them 20 years to find the island last time."
So how would he know that 20 years ago the island was found? And that could explain how he got off the island and how he has the ability to talk to dead people.

Yeah...there are at least a few threads about this. I agree with you though that Miles is Candle/Chang's son. However, Miles was talking about how long it took Widmore to find the island this time...not how long it's been since he found it.

This does have some synergistic feel to it. I've been wondering for some time what Miles' connection to the Island was.

She very well could be his natural child but, so far, other than her knowing Korean and the nose bleeds, it's more speculative, imo, to think she's Chang's daughter than it is to think that the baby was a boy and that boy is Miles. I've keeping my mind open though because it seems she's been looking for her birthplace and believes she was probably born on the Island. It could be that the Lewis' that raised her aren't her birth parents. We just don't know yet.
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Charlotte knows many languages, remember her travelling companion asked how many languages she could read the news about 815 being found before she would believe it?

That's true. My vote has been for Miles and now considering Chang's termperament, it seems even more likely. I've been thinking the baby is someone important to the story. Otherwise, why would we care??

Could the baby that Dr. Candle was feeding in the beginning of the episode be Miles? When Miles and Sawyer, et al. are walking to the hatch, Miles states that "It took them 20 years to find the island last time."
So how would he know that 20 years ago the island was found? And that could explain how he got off the island and how he has the ability to talk to dead people.

I think there's a fair chance it's him. Some also say it could be Jin, since his mother was a pro and his"father" raised him because he said, "who else would". Though Jin is Korean, and Miles & Cheng are at least part Chinese, we don't even know it's even Cheng's biological kid. Nor was it clearly a boy or girl; could be Charlotte.

I think Miles gets a lot of his info on the Island from the ghosties, like in The Economist deleted scene where he goes through the sonic fence

MILES
I don't think it's on....
Lucky guess.

do we have any idea what the year is in the flashback?

I think the baby is Charlotte, but it certainly could be Miles.

One thing's for sure...(not)

The baby wasn't conceived on The Island.

One thing's for sure...(not)

The baby wasn't conceived on The Island.I actually thought that the main reason for the baby was to inform us that the fertility problem was NOT always there. I still maintain that it is somehow Ben's fault.

And I don't mean to be contrary but I don't think the baby is Miles. People are generally assuming that because he's Asian, but the flashback was sometime in the early 70s (remember, the Orchid was JUST being constructed, so it had to be in the early days of the DI). That would make the baby in its mid-30s, and I don't think Miles is that old.

But I've been wrong before.

never thought about that!
Would be clever for the overall arc of that character..

i have always thought that the freighter scientists (make that daniel, miles and charlotte) had some sort tie to the island before they arrived with the freighter.

One thing's for sure...(not)

The baby wasn't conceived on The Island.

Well, we know conceptions could happen on the island, since presumably Sun got pregnant on the island, as well as the Others admitted conception wasnt the problem. The problem was carrying to full term. That problem might possibly have started some time after Dharma's arrival, when they started playing around with things. You're right though - there is a possibility that the baby couldnt have been born on the island even back then.

And I don't mean to be contrary but I don't think the baby is Miles. People are generally assuming that because he's Asian, but the flashback was sometime in the early 70s (remember, the Orchid was JUST being constructed, so it had to be in the early days of the DI). That would make the baby in its mid-30s, and I don't think Miles is that old.

Do we know when the Orchid was built? Maybe it was later in Dharma's time on the island that they found the unique energy source and tapping it became a priority. Late 70's would make one of the scientists about 30, which I think would be plausible.

I've of course been wrong before too. The show has a funny way of doing that to us. ;)

And I don't mean to be contrary but I don't think the baby is Miles. People are generally assuming that because he's Asian, but the flashback was sometime in the early 70s (remember, the Orchid was JUST being constructed, so it had to be in the early days of the DI). That would make the baby in its mid-30s, and I don't think Miles is that old.


this, i'm agreeing with.

i remember when miles was in that woman's home speaking to her dead son, and because he was african american, a lot were speculating that the dead grandson was walt. we found that to be untrue.

and as for charlotte, my son is a red head with blue eyes, and when he was born it was very apparent that he was going to be a redhead. the blue eyes, fair skin. i'm going with that the baby is definitely not charlotte.;)

now, i'm not going to say that it is definitely not miles.

I actually thought that the main reason for the baby was to inform us that the fertility problem was NOT always there. I still maintain that it is somehow Ben's fault.

I couldn't agree more! I got the impression in that scene that TPTB were trying to infer that death wasn't always the outcome of pregnancy.

I think there's a fair chance it's him. Some also say it could be Jin, since his mother was a pro and his"father" raised him because he said, "who else would". Though Jin is Korean, and Miles & Cheng are at least part Chinese, we don't even know it's even Cheng's biological kid. Nor was it clearly a boy or girl; could be Charlotte.

I think Miles gets a lot of his info on the Island from the ghosties, like in The Economist deleted scene where he goes through the sonic fence

MILES
I don't think it's on....
Lucky guess.

Definitely not Jin........we already met his father. I can see it being Miles.....

Definitely not Jin........we already met his father. I can see it being Miles.....

Agreed. Besides, Jin is Korean.

Didn't we find out that Jin's father isn't his biological father? I believe it was in the episode when Sun goes to see him. Something about him knowing he wasn't the biological father, but he still cared for Jin and raised him.

I don't think it's Jin though, Miles seems to be a better fit with how he seems to be in tune with the island.

Yes but we knew Jin's mother in that same episode was the biological mother. His mother was a prostitute. I think it's a stretch to believe that a prostitute's child could end up on the Island for a short while, adopted by Pierre Chang and his wife, only to somehow end up back in Korea and in the care of a random fisherman early enough that Jin would have no formative memories of the Island.

Right now, I personally think that Miles being Candle's son is a very good guess. Although there is something interesting about Jin's "father" not being his biological papa, they never really elaborated on who his dad really was did they?

Not sure if this was mentioned or not but did anyone else catch it when he was recording the video he stated his name was Marvin Candle but a worker stormed in and called him Dr. Cheng?

The boar was laready dead. Since it was dead "for three hours" .. and Miles can talk to the dead ... he knew where to find it.Yeah, but can miles talk to boars?

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Thanks LostApril for posting these links. The baby look Asian to me and could be Miles.

Well, lala, who knows what his real name truly he is, he went by so many different pseudonyms in the training videos, right? do you see a connection to the last name Chang? Is that Miles' last name?

What I was left thinking is whether or not the baby was born on the island??

Well, lala, who knows what his real name truly he is, he went by so many different pseudonyms in the training videos, right? do you see a connection to the last name Chang? Is that Miles' last name?

What I was left thinking is whether or not the baby was born on the island??


His name is full name is Miles Straume if that helps

After "The Little Prince", I'm thinking Miles is Candle's son for sure.

Why?

Faraday commented on duration of exposure being a possible explanation of the nosebleeds. Him and Charlotte are getting them... and it's been strongly hinted at that Charlotte has been to the Island before... and when Miles comments that he's never been there, Faraday asks, "Are you sure?" and there's this look on Miles' face, like he's really not sure he's never been there. This is definite foreshadowing.

*Plus*... This is something else I thought about last night. Ken Leung really looks like he could be the son of the dude that plays Candle. They really do have a resemblence. And when Darlton cast Ken Leung for his part, I remember them saying in an interview, he was the only option... They saw him and were like, "We *have* to get this guy!"

If they had planned on having Miles end up being Candle's son, it'd make sense that they'd instantly get excited like they did about finding a good actor that also bears a resemblence to Candle.

After "The Little Prince", I'm thinking Miles is Candle's son for sure.
If Miles is Candle's son, then what would be the explanation of how he was born on the Island, since that would basically make him the only person ever to be conceived, brought to full term, and then successfully born on the Island that we know about...

It's def Miles. Too bad that so many of us are clever enough to come up with cool plot points before they happen, ya know? Like, we're not doing spoilers, but with our theories etc., it's sort of similar. I'm guilty of it too. When Charlotte revealed her past, I was like "duh, of course"

Am I the only one that REALLY wants Smokey to like, posses Keamy and make him into Smokey's right hand man if that makes any sense? Keamy deserves more imo.