Sun seemed ... off. To Kate she seemed cold and detached, and her "So, how's Jack?" question seemed very pointed. Plus, we know no one but Hurley has seen her since the rescue, and that she's working with Widmore. Has she lost her mind or what?

She wants revenge for the Death of her husband, or I bet she may call it the murder of her husband, watch out Jack. I could have swore she was about to stab Kate at one point during there conversation.

She wants revenge for the Death of her husband, or I bet she may call it the murder of her husband, watch out Jack. I could have swore she was about to stab Kate at one point during there conversation.

Yeah, really, or poison her drink. I think she snapped after Jin's apparent death -- but I still can't figure out why she's singling out Jack when he's no more at fault than anyone else.

Yeah, really, or poison her drink. I think she snapped after Jin's apparent death -- but I still can't figure out why she's singling out Jack when he's no more at fault than anyone else.

I do not get it either. As Sun herself said to Kate in that scene, looking back now had Jack and the others not left right away not only would Jin have died but ALL of them would have died including her and her at the time unborn baby. Her grief needs to be directed only at Ben and Charles Wildimore the real people responsible for her husbands "death".

I do not get it either. As Sun herself said to Kate in that scene, looking back now had Jack and the others not left right away not only would Jin have died but ALL of them would have died including her and her at the time unborn baby. Her grief needs to be directed only at Ben and Charles Wildimore the real people responsible for her husbands "death".

When Sun said she wanted to kill Ben, wasn't that implying that she blames him for Jin's death? That the two people she blames are Ben and her father?

Sun is acting very different from the Sun we knew on-island, but I did interpret her line about not blaming Kate as genuine.

I feel that Sun blames Jack for making the call on the radio to the freighter crew which was the "beginning of the end".

Jack was the leader, and he made a bad call. Then on top of that, he forces Kate back onto the helicopter before the freighter explodes. Kate wanted to stay and wait for Jin. Jack is the one who left Jin. Another bad call.

In Sun's eyes anyway.

No - I think she blames Jack. I believe she is pitting Widmore and Ben against each other.

Does anyone else find it weird that Sun blames, or should I say seems to blame Ben and Kate for the apparent death of Jin but not Widmore who sent the freighter and the mercenaries to kill everyone. But grief and rage tend to make people not see the truth.

When Sun said she wanted to kill Ben, wasn't that implying that she blames him for Jin's death? That the two people she blames are Ben and her father?

Sun is acting very different from the Sun we knew on-island, but I did interpret her line about not blaming Kate as genuine.

I hope so. She should ONLY be blaming Ben and Charles b/c if she blames Jack or Kate she is way, way, way out of her mind with misguided grief and revenge.
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Does anyone else find it weird that Sun blames, or should I say seems to blame Ben and Kate for the apparent death of Jin but not Widmore who sent the freighter and the mercenaries to kill everyone. But grief and rage tend to make people not see the truth.


Yup. She is acting more nuts then Libby, Hurley and Rossue combined on a good day.

I hope so. She should ONLY be blaming Ben and Charles b/c if she blames Jack or Kate she is way, way, way out of her mind with misguided grief and revenge.
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Yup. She is acting more nuts then Libby, Hurley and Rossue combined on a good day.
In all fairness to those Sun blames, what happened the day the O6 left the island wasn't any one person's, but a series of poor decisions on the part of several people. But yes, Charles and Ben do bare more blame then others. But her grief and her rage have driven her over the edge.

She definitely shouldn't single out any of the O6 for Jin's apparent death.

If Jack had not have grabbed Kate and led her to the helicopter, everyone would've died. I don't see how you can even make an assumption that Jack 'forced' Kate to go to the helicopter. Seems to me Kate went on her own free will. Even Frank was screaming at everyone that they needed to get the hell outta there. I just think Sun is frantically trying to put the blame on someone for Jin and it should definitely be directed at Widmore/Ben.

I do not get it either. As Sun herself said to Kate in that scene, looking back now had Jack and the others not left right away not only would Jin have died but ALL of them would have died including her and her at the time unborn baby.

Exactly. If she knew enough to say it to Kate, how could she not understand that it was the truth.

She definitely shouldn't single out any of the O6 for Jin's apparent death.

If Jack had not have grabbed Kate and led her to the helicopter, everyone would've died. I don't see how you can even make an assumption that Jack 'forced' Kate to go to the helicopter. Seems to me Kate went on her own free will. Even Frank was screaming at everyone that they needed to get the hell outta there. I just think Sun is frantically trying to put the blame on someone for Jin and it should definitely be directed at Widmore/Ben.

That's what I don't get. Why is she dumping on Jack? :confused:

She wants revenge for the Death of her husband, or I bet she may call it the murder of her husband, watch out Jack. I could have swore she was about to stab Kate at one point during there conversation.

I was getting that vibe to, she was being a total creeper. I feel like Sun is trying to use Kate to get to Jack. I don't think she's going to try anything drastic, but I'm not really trusting her right now.

I was getting that vibe to, she was being a total creeper. I feel like Sun is trying to use Kate to get to Jack. I don't think she's going to try anything drastic, but I'm not really trusting her right now.

I think she might plan to serve up Jack to Widmore, because they're clearly in cahoots now. And I suspect that her "business" in L.A. was her plan to somehow get to Jack.

Did anyone think it was weird that a) Kate was hearing Ji Yeon's name for the first time, and b) Sun showed Kate a baby picture, and not a more recent picture of her now-three-year-old daughter?

I was getting that vibe to, she was being a total creeper. I feel like Sun is trying to use Kate to get to Jack. I don't think she's going to try anything drastic, but I'm not really trusting her right now.

Yes, I think she was using Kate to get to Jack. It was very interesting that that was the last line of conversation that we heard from the two before we switched scenes. I know that Kate is/will always be on Jack's side, but I just don't see why Sun herself just couldn't go and get Jack, he isn't exactly a hard man to find.

Maybe she is slowly trying to turn the rest of the O6 on Jack?

Did anyone think it was weird that a) Kate was hearing Ji Yeon's name for the first time, and b) Sun showed Kate a baby picture, and not a more recent picture of her now-three-year-old daughter?
Yeah, that kind of struck me as odd too. I don't know if we're supposed to read into it or not, but it was definitely weird that she only showed Kate a baby picture and that Kate had never heard Ji Yeon's name before. Considering how soon Ji Yeon was born after the O6's return, during the time when Hurley, Jack, Kate, and Sayid were all still hanging out, one would think Kate and all would at least have heard about Ji Yeon from Hurley.

I think Sun is going to steal Aaron. I immediately thought that when she made the comment, "Maybe the two of them can get together and play one day" or something like that.

She was definitely acting sinister in that meeting and I wouldn't be surprised if she went down that path. The whole meeting was just totally out of the blue. Like what has been mentioned, Kate really didn't know anything about Sun; didn't even have her phone number...and Sun wanted to suddenly meet up with her and make small talk really......

Things aren't right..

Yeah, that kind of struck me as odd too. I don't know if we're supposed to read into it or not, but it was definitely weird that she only showed Kate a baby picture and that Kate had never heard Ji Yeon's name before. Considering how soon Ji Yeon was born after the O6's return, during the time when Hurley, Jack, Kate, and Sayid were all still hanging out, one would think Kate and all would at least have heard about Ji Yeon from Hurley.

Exactly! It seemed odd. Of course, it could've been TPTB's way of reminding us about the disconnect between Sun and the rest of them. But weirder to me was the very pointed shot of the baby picture. We've never seen Ji Yeon as a toddler yet, even though we heard her on the phone when Sun called home from London in TNPLH. Ha -- maybe she has four toes. ;)

I didn't even want to read everyone elses responses to this thread. So I apologize. But it's my first threaded post in 9 months.

So I really hope Sun doesn't go over to the dark side. I don't even know what the dark side is right now. Ben is so convincing!!! I'm not positive that he is necessary. But I do think everyone needs to go back to the island. I just wish Sun would realize the craziness that happens on the island and believe that Jin is still alive.

I feel like she is going to be a huge catalyst for Widmore this season, like they could go next week but she is going to carry it on until the end of the season.

Yeah Sun has gone nutso and I think she's up to something... besides killing Ben..idk what it is though. Guess have to watch and see :eek2:

Sun's pain and rage has driven her to seek revenge, revenge that may not be entirely rational.

I think she has resolved what she had to say to Kate, and I don't think that will go any further. She still has a grudge with Jack and Ben, though. What a tangled web. She wants to kill Ben, who wants to kill Penny...

As for Jack, I have no idea what she wants to do. I don't think she would kill him after all they went through together and everything he's done for her.

I think Sun on some level blames them all.
When she said to Kate that she made a decision and she didn't blame her. I didn't believe that for a second.

She wanted to go get her husband. Instead Kate handed Aaron to her to her to get on the Choper. Kates decision

Sun wanted the choper to circle around and look for Jin. Jack said no. Jacks decision.

She may not want Kate dead, like she does Jack and Ben, but I do think she blames Kate, Jack and Ben for Jins death.

Their conversation certainly was interesting, wasn't it? One thing I want to add that no one has mentioned yet is Sun's certainty that someone wants Aaron, and that is why Kate's maternity is being challenged. Could Sun have been the ones to send the lawyers, in order to scare Kate?

Their conversation certainly was interesting, wasn't it? One thing I want to add that no one has mentioned yet is Sun's certainty that someone wants Aaron, and that is why Kate's maternity is being challenged. Could Sun have been the ones to send the lawyers, in order to scare Kate?

My first thought was Clairs mom sent the lawyers, but Sun could have sent them. If for no other reason them to mess up Kates life or to slowly expose what happend on the island.

Sun said if the reason was to expose their secert they would just expose it, but Sun wants revenge, so she would take a more round about hurtful way.

I thought what was really interesting was the juxtaposition of her attitudes after being locked in the holding cell at the airport. At first, she was frantic and confused, then when she and Widmore started to discuss their "business," she was very collected and cold again. Just like with Kate. Not sure what it all means, but I definitely thought Sun was acting odd.

I'm sure Widmore is the other person she blames for Jin's death (his boat, his mercenaries, etc.) and is setting him up by pretending to be in league with him.

She tells Kate she has to do anything to protect Aaron. That might include trying to get Kate to kill Widmore by exposing that he's the one after Aaron.

She tells Kate she has to do anything to protect Aaron. That might include trying to get Kate to kill Widmore by exposing that he's the one after Aaron.

I think that is a pretty fair assumption I believe with what Sun is trying to do. Playing the Mommy card with Kate and forcing her to do outlandish things to protect Aaron is something that I can see Sun doing, almost a-la Ben and Sayid.

One thing I want to add that no one has mentioned yet is Sun's certainty that someone wants Aaron, and that is why Kate's maternity is being challenged. Could Sun have been the ones to send the lawyers, in order to scare Kate?

I think this is exactly what happened. Sun and Widmore hatched a plan to put Kate on the run so that she would be amenable to Ben's plan to go back to the island. Sun and Charles then follow Kate to Jack and Ben...mission complete. I also thought it was interesting that in the background of the Expose episode that Hurley's dad was watching, one of the characters talked about staying out of the way of the "Dragon Lady" (Sun?).

Sun=super creepy.
In teresting that the flashback showed Jack grabbing Kate and pulling her to the helicopter.
More interesting is the creepy way she asked Kate "how is Jack?"
I am definately thinking she sent the lawyers to Kate for the blood test knowing that Kate would (as she always does, and in fact seems "born to, run")

Their conversation certainly was interesting, wasn't it? One thing I want to add that no one has mentioned yet is Sun's certainty that someone wants Aaron, and that is why Kate's maternity is being challenged. Could Sun have been the ones to send the lawyers, in order to scare Kate?

Yeah, I almost felt that Sun knew exactly who those men were and was trying to steer Kate toward something -- but I didn't feel it was to protect Kate, which is scary. Sun is scary right now.

I still think that Sun may be a twist in the future and that she is really working with Ben to get back at Widmore. Maybe not necessarily working with Ben, but certainly not as chummy with Widmore as she is. I think she's just getting close to him so that she can pay him back for Jin's death. After all she really has no reason to blame Ben. There would be no way of her knowing that it was Ben who killed Keamy causing the freighter to exlpode, so rationally she should blame Widmore for sending the freighter above all else.

Yeah, really, or poison her drink. I think she snapped after Jin's apparent death -- but I still can't figure out why she's singling out Jack when he's no more at fault than anyone else.

But as shown, Jack stopped Kate from going down to get Jin in time. So, I think she does have it in for Jack.

Maybe the reason that Sun only has a baby picture of her daughter is because she did something with her? It seemed to me that Sun was asking Kate to do something to Aaron to protect him. I don't know what, but I get the impression that Kate knows exactly what she's talking about, because she seemed pretty disgusted by the whole idea.

I dunno, she's gone a bit nuts, but all in all I'm thinking that Sun has done something to Ji-Yeon and wants Kate to do the same thing to Aaron for his protection.

Maybe give him to Widmore?

But as shown, Jack stopped Kate from going down to get Jin in time. So, I think she does have it in for Jack.

Yeah, but she's clearly irrational. If Jack hadn't stopped Kate from going, Kate would've been killed along with Jin -- she wouldn't have saved him in time. But I guess the key word here is "irrational." Something has obviously snapped in her.

Maybe the reason that Sun only has a baby picture of her daughter is because she did something with her? It seemed to me that Sun was asking Kate to do something to Aaron to protect him. I don't know what, but I get the impression that Kate knows exactly what she's talking about, because she seemed pretty disgusted by the whole idea.


Hmmm... interesting theory. And I'd forgotten about that part of the conversation. It seemed to me, though, that Sun's comment was more of a dig at Kate's having killed her father. She was sort of implying that Kate should kill the men who are after her and Aaron... and I don't think it was a legit suggestion as much as a snark at Kate.

I have 2 thoughts to add:

1 - I still think that someone has been trying to kidnap Ji Yeon and I believe this would explain a few things...
Why she doesn't want to show off a recent picture of her daughter
Why she wants Ben dead (she thinks he is the one after Ji Yeon)
Why she is so adiment with Kate about doing anything necessary to
protect your child
Why she thinks they are going to come after Aaron

2 - I haven't gone back to watch the epi yet but remember the scene with Ben and Jack in the funeral parlor when they are discussion how to get the O6 together and back to the island? Jack is listing all the reasons it will be hard to convince everyone to go along with the plan - when he gets to Sun he say something like "Sun ... Sun still blames me for ....." and never finished that statement. The assumption is that she still blames him for Jin's death but maybe that was a clever way for the writers to tell us that something else has happened. Something over the last 3 years that they have been back to civilization.

Yeah, but she's clearly irrational. If Jack hadn't stopped Kate from going, Kate would've been killed along with Jin -- she wouldn't have saved him in time. But I guess the key word here is "irrational." Something has obviously snapped in her.



Hmmm... interesting theory. And I'd forgotten about that part of the conversation. It seemed to me, though, that Sun's comment was more of a dig at Kate's having killed her father. She was sort of implying that Kate should kill the men who are after her and Aaron... and I don't think it was a legit suggestion as much as a snark at Kate.
I agree she was just trying to remind Kate of the things she has done in the past to make her feel bad. I loved Kate's response, what kind of person do you think I am? That's one way that Kate has grown, she's accepted what she has done and no longer feels like she's not worthy, she knows she's a decent person.
Another thought,..... it's kinda scary when Sun is creepier than Ben. LOL

I agree with those who stated that Sun is getting close to Widmore in order to get at him. Long con, anyone?

However, I do like the theories and questions regarding Ji Yeon. It got me thinking, and put more meaning into the dialogue: "wouldn't you do anything you could to protect your child?"

So what if Ben (or maybe Locke?) has given Sun reason to believe that if she does not carry out certain orders, that her child will suffer? It's not like it hasn't been done before (Michael).

Another thought,..... it's kinda scary when Sun is creepier than Ben. LOL

Right? LOL

Yes. It's her nature to betray and be duplicitous. She'll hand over Aaron to Charles Widmore.

I think it is hard to tell who Sun is playing at this point. However, I would point out that Sun is not really 'friends' with the other O6. Yes they spent 3 months on the island together, and yes they are all in a unique situation as part of a group coverup, but she is not and never was particularly close to the others. As a matter of fact, NONE of them except for Jack and Kate kept up any kind of a friendship after returning home. Sure J&K are messed up, but they did continue to deepen their relationship rather than to go their own separate ways. None of the others did that.

I agree with those who stated that Sun is getting close to Widmore in order to get at him. Long con, anyone?
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But didn't they start the lie so that NO ONE would know what really happened? So weren't they lying to the whole world, including Widmore? Or is it okay that Widmore knows they landed on the island? I was under the impression the lie was to protect their friends by not letting Widmore know they were on the island. But Sun seems to not mind telling Widmore that she wants Ben dead, thereby saying they were on the island. Am I way off in thinking the lie was partially directed at Widmore?

I think it is hard to tell who Sun is playing at this point. However, I would point out that Sun is not really 'friends' with the other O6. Yes they spent 3 months on the island together, and yes they are all in a unique situation as part of a group coverup, but she is not and never was particularly close to the others. As a matter of fact, NONE of them except for Jack and Kate kept up any kind of a friendship after returning home. Sure J&K are messed up, but they did continue to deepen their relationship rather than to go their own separate ways. None of the others did that.

I disagree, actually. I think she was definitely "friends" with Jack and Kate, at least. And Hurley and Jack were absolutely friends, prior to their brief falling out. I think the fact that everyone scattered post rescue had more to do with their respective post-island demons and PTSD than anything else -- not to mention the stress of keeping the lie intact.

I think Sun is blaming her father and Widmore. In "Ji Yeon" she told her father she blamed two people for Jin's death and she also told him that he was responsible for Jin's death because without him she and Jin would not have been on the plane. I think she is getting close to Widmore to exact revenge because he was the one responsible for the crew on The Freighter and the freighties caused the boat to explode.

I think Sun is blaming her father and Widmore. In "Ji Yeon" she told her father she blamed two people for Jin's death and she also told him that he was responsible for Jin's death because without him she and Jin would not have been on the plane. I think she is getting close to Widmore to exact revenge because he was the one responsible for the crew on The Freighter and the freighties caused the boat to explode.

That would make sense, but I don't think it's what's happening. For one thing, Jack, himself, has said that she blames him; for another, her very pointed question to Kate about Jack was very suspicious.

I feel that Sun blames Jack for making the call on the radio to the freighter crew which was the "beginning of the end".

Jack was the leader, and he made a bad call.

Except that Jack didn't bring the Freighter Folk to the island. Naomi was already ON the island before the call was ever made, so they had already found the island. She parachuted from a helicopter. In addition, Ben KNEW that they were coming which is why he put Michael on the ship to be his spy, which is also how he knew the names and identities of Frank, Daniel, Charlotte, and Miles.

Jack didn't create the Beginning of the End. It was coming regardless. It was a poor plot point on the side of the writers because there were so many holes in the "jack made the call" scenario, as stated above.

Then on top of that, he forces Kate back onto the helicopter before the freighter explodes. Kate wanted to stay and wait for Jin. Jack is the one who left Jin. Another bad call.

In Sun's eyes anyway.

True. Sun may very well see it that way, but as others have said, it is completely irrational. Jin actually got himself killed by staying so long below deck instead of leaving when he had the chance. As for Jack and Kate, Kate was going to try and go after Jin until Frank said he was leaving. At that point, Jack has two choices: 1) take off with the helicopter and leave Kate and Jin behind; or 2) save the one person he CAN save in those last few minutes.

Considering that the freighter blew up seconds later, it was the right call. Of course, not to Sun, even though it saved her life and her daughter's.

I think she might plan to serve up Jack to Widmore, because they're clearly in cahoots now. And I suspect that her "business" in L.A. was her plan to somehow get to Jack.

That would actually be cool if it were true. Those could really be interesting scenes between Jack and Widmore. Boy, I hope your theory proves true.

As a matter of fact, NONE of them except for Jack and Kate kept up any kind of a friendship after returning home. Sure J&K are messed up, but they did continue to deepen their relationship rather than to go their own separate ways. None of the others did that.

That's not true. Jack and Hurley met up a few times, and Jack sees Hurley anytime Hurley calls. Sayid and Sun went there own way, and it's because both of them suffered the loss of the one they loved.

I disagree, actually. I think she was definitely "friends" with Jack and Kate, at least. And Hurley and Jack were absolutely friends, prior to their brief falling out. I think the fact that everyone scattered post rescue had more to do with their respective post-island demons and PTSD than anything else -- not to mention the stress of keeping the lie intact.

Exactly. It was a combination of stress, I mean imagine what they've been through and what they can't talk about. On top of that, they have tremendous survivor's guilt, and then you add on the deaths of people they love and/or hauntings from the island, and you have a cocktail for SCREWED UP.

I think the dig was at Kate, not Jack. After discussing how Kate promised to go get Jin, Sun's acerbic question "How's Jack?" seems to mean "How's YOUR partner? You cost me to lose MINE."

I think Sun is a very smart person. She blames two people for the death: Widmore and Ben. Emotions aside *and she is acting cold and calculating*, she is correct. Those two people are responsible and those are who she has targeted.

She has a plan and Kate will play a role in it *not that she's overly concerned with Kate's well being*. Evidence of her plan lies in her rational assessment of the lawyers coming for the blood sample. She sees the game and identifies this as a strategic move from the other team. She doesnt' appreciate Kate's emotional response to it. It just needs to be analized and the game continues. Emotions are never assets in a strategic game. They are often used against you.

I think the dig was at Kate, not Jack. After discussing how Kate promised to go get Jin, Sun's acerbic question "How's Jack?" seems to mean "How's YOUR partner? You cost me to lose MINE."

Hmmm... that's definitely a possibility, though I'm still leaning to my first impression of it being about Jack, himself.

Something about the way that Sun delivered that little talk with Kate that is suspicious. I am not sure that I believe Kate is off the hook, and I do think she is out for a lot of vengeance. Which is not at all what her character was like in the first 2 seasons of the show. One might think having a child would broaden the heart, but Sun's heart seems to be shrinking. Her hatred is clearly evident and I guess she takes after her father after all.

I think she might plan to serve up Jack to Widmore, because they're clearly in cahoots now.

Or to serve up Ben to Widmore. I think she wants Jack all to herself.


It seemed to me that Sun was asking Kate to do something to Aaron to protect him. I don't know what, but I get the impression that Kate knows exactly what she's talking about, because she seemed pretty disgusted by the whole idea.

Well Sun does have a child of her own...perhaps she knows that Kate has somewhere safe to leave Aaron which no one would suspect (Cassidy's place?). I don't think that Aaron will be truly safe anywhere, however, because I think he still has "work to do" for the island.


Jack is listing all the reasons it will be hard to convince everyone to go along with the plan - when he gets to Sun he say something like "Sun ... Sun still blames me for ....." and never finished that statement. The assumption is that she still blames him for Jin's death but maybe that was a clever way for the writers to tell us that something else has happened. Something over the last 3 years that they have been back to civilization.

Hmm, I wonder.

One might think having a child would broaden the heart, but Sun's heart seems to be shrinking. Her hatred is clearly evident and I guess she takes after her father after all.

Wow. I hadn't thought of that! Good call Mikesgirl. I'm really hoping that Sun doesn't turn against the other O6. She's really a great character, but since she does have a child to protect now, maybe she is out for self-preservation.

Watching the scene again, her question to Kate about doing anything to protect Aaron, from whatever people want him... it seemed like she wants Kate to go back to the island. I mean, what is the thing that Kate would least want to do? That, or maybe turn him over to his grandmother Littleton, but I don't know why Sun would try to persuade Kate to do that.

Sun was so warm to Hurley when he visited her after the baby's birth... she was heartbroken but her heart wasn't dead. Now, her demeanor is completely different. She was cold and despite Kate's heartfelt apology, it looked like Sun's heart had died and she could feel nothing but anger. I agree the mention of Jack was very menacing. Maybe something did happen over the past two years, and we will find out what that is.

I saw a woman hell bent on avenging the man she loved, at whatever cost. Don't forget, despite the sweetness of her nature, Sun's always had a harder, colder and more ruthless side, as evidenced in some FBs (Glass Ballerina, also DOC in terms of how she dealt with Jin's estranged mum). She comes across as one who would hold a grudge; she's clearly very intelligent, and resourceful when needed.

I think the darker side of her character is coming out strongly now, and despite her bonds with the O6 and other Losties, Jin's unneccessary death is far more important. Watching the way she fell apart in the chopper in TNPLH made that abundantly clear, to me. He seemed to be the one person who truly loved her, and she him, notwithstanding their marital problems.

She's on a mission, and it'll take a lot to thwart her, because she is truly formidable. And although I miss the 'old' Sun and would like her back, I can't deny I'm seriously digging her 'sinister' side at present! :D

I saw a woman hell bent on avenging the man she loved, at whatever cost. Don't forget, despite the sweetness of her nature, Sun's always had a harder, colder and more ruthless side, as evidenced in some FBs (Glass Ballerina, also DOC in terms of how she dealt with Jin's estranged mum). She comes across as one who would hold a grudge; she's clearly very intelligent, and resourceful when needed.

I think the darker side of her character is coming out strongly now, and despite her bonds with the O6 and other Losties, Jin's unneccessary death is far more important. Watching the way she fell apart in the chopper in TNPLH made that abundantly clear, to me. He seemed to be the one person who truly loved her, and she him, notwithstanding their marital problems.

She's on a mission, and it'll take a lot to thwart her, because she is truly formidable. And although I miss the 'old' Sun and would like her back, I can't deny I'm seriously digging her 'sinister' side at present! :D

Well I understand why shes doing what shes doing, besides out of all the 06ers shes the only one who I think has changed the most, and I do like this Sun, even though I miss the old Sun. I have hope if Jin's really alive, Sun will eventually come back as the old Sun. But I always expected one of the losties to change and go to the dark side.

I agree that she has been harder, colder and ruthless as seen in her FB's, and lets not forget she killed Collen, I always see her as a character who looks out for herself, and is willing to do anything to survive. I dont see her as an evil person, but someone who puts her own needs first.

But there are alot of stuff we may not have known about Sun during those 3 years, shes the only one who has been apart from the 06ers the most on her own journey. She seemed so normal when she and Hurley meet shortly after Ji Yeon's birth, so maybe something else happened that we dont know yet.

I saw a woman hell bent on avenging the man she loved, at whatever cost. Don't forget, despite the sweetness of her nature, Sun's always had a harder, colder and more ruthless side, as evidenced in some FBs (Glass Ballerina, also DOC in terms of how she dealt with Jin's estranged mum). She comes across as one who would hold a grudge; she's clearly very intelligent, and resourceful when needed.
I agree with you here evanesco75. Especially GB.
Wasn't there also a bit about Hugo's dad watching Expose, in one of these episodes, where the Dragon Lady is mentioned. Sounds very much like Sun at this point.

I saw a woman hell bent on avenging the man she loved, at whatever cost. Don't forget, despite the sweetness of her nature, Sun's always had a harder, colder and more ruthless side, as evidenced in some FBs (Glass Ballerina, also DOC in terms of how she dealt with Jin's estranged mum). She comes across as one who would hold a grudge; she's clearly very intelligent, and resourceful when needed.

I think the darker side of her character is coming out strongly now, and despite her bonds with the O6 and other Losties, Jin's unneccessary death is far more important. Watching the way she fell apart in the chopper in TNPLH made that abundantly clear, to me. He seemed to be the one person who truly loved her, and she him, notwithstanding their marital problems.

She's on a mission, and it'll take a lot to thwart her, because she is truly formidable. And although I miss the 'old' Sun and would like her back, I can't deny I'm seriously digging her 'sinister' side at present! :D

Right there with you. I get the impression that whatever Sun is up to, because I don't believe it's purely for revenge for Jin's unncessary death, will be a calculated move to protect her child and Aaron as well. We could discover that her coming to L.A. to warn Kate was due to someone or something that has already threatened Ji Yeon's life. We'll have to see. As far as her conversation with Kate, I felt that was a long time coming. Granted, some tough decisions had to be made on that freighter, and ultimately there really may not have been enoght time save Jin. It's hard to call. The fact remains, Kate told Sun she would retrieve Jin, but ultimately, she didn't. Kate's not to blame for his death, and I believed Sun when she said she didn't blame Kate, she did what she had to, but the situation warranted an apology from Kate to Sun long before their chat over coffee three years later. Given Kate's immediate, sorrowful reaction, she did feel guilty, but understood where Sun was coming from.

I still think that Sun may be a twist in the future and that she is really working with Ben to get back at Widmore. Maybe not necessarily working with Ben, but certainly not as chummy with Widmore as she is. I think she's just getting close to him so that she can pay him back for Jin's death. After all she really has no reason to blame Ben. There would be no way of her knowing that it was Ben who killed Keamy causing the freighter to exlpode, so rationally she should blame Widmore for sending the freighter above all else.

We know that Sun went to London to approach Widmore without an appointment - when he was leaving a Thames-side restaurant. What - or who - prompted her to make that trip and leave him with that teaser? We need to figure out the motivation. She plays Widmore - which is either very dumb considering how dangerous he is, or it's very calculated... and still very dangerous!

I agree with those who stated that Sun is getting close to Widmore in order to get at him. Long con, anyone?

However, I do like the theories and questions regarding Ji Yeon. It got me thinking, and put more meaning into the dialogue: "wouldn't you do anything you could to protect your child?"

So what if Ben (or maybe Locke?) has given Sun reason to believe that if she does not carry out certain orders, that her child will suffer? It's not like it hasn't been done before (Michael).

Is the fact that Sun is in LA a coincidence? All the O6 are in LA at the same time, which is a bit unusual, and we also have Ben and Locke's body there too. It cannot be a coincidence, surely? Sun, by rights, should be in Soeul. Therefore I suspect that Sun has been primed to be in LA at just the right time to influence Kate when she's on the run; and also to be available for a "return" to the Island. The timing of her phone call to Kate could not have been more obviously set up, to catch Kate when she was just bolting with Aaron. The bogus "lawyers" had just given Kate a reason to break the terms of her plea bargain, and be willing to travel anywhere out of state to put Aaron and herself (as his "mother" beyond danger)

Sun: "Kate are you alright? Kate: "I'm fine"; Sun: " Are you?" pause.........

Watching the scene again, her question to Kate about doing anything to protect Aaron, from whatever people want him... it seemed like she wants Kate to go back to the island. I mean, what is the thing that Kate would least want to do? That, or maybe turn him over to his grandmother Littleton, but I don't know why Sun would try to persuade Kate to do that.

My take: Sun believes that she can be reunited with Jin - [I]don't know how, or who told her - but she has accepted the line that all of them must return, or the Isalnd 'won't accept or let them'. Sun's role is therefore to corale Kate into being ready and willing to return - and with Aaron. Sun to Kate " (you're) the kind of person who makes hard decisions when she has to"

Now, who else wants to question what Claire says in Kate's 'dream' at the end of Season 4 - 'Who' is it that mustn't return to the Island - does Claire mean Aaron, or does she mean John/John's body????

My take: Sun believes that she can be reunited with Jin - don't know how, or who told her - but she has accepted the line that all of them must return, or the Isalnd 'won't accept or let them'. Sun's role is therefore to corale Kate into being ready and willing to return - and with Aaron. Sun to Kate " (you're) the kind of person who makes hard decisions when she has to"
Well, if Jin is alive (big if there), Locke could have told her, provided that he learned of Jin's survival before leaving the island. That would be the most obvious way for her to gain the information.

I have a feeling Bentham did tell her more about Jin. Perhaps Locke ran into an 'older' version of Jin during his TT on-island? He could've tried convincing her to return, so she might change the outcome i.e. Jin's death. This is, of course, contrary to Dan's assertion that you can't change the past, but perhaps Bentham knew a still-grieving Sun might take the bait?

I also think Bentham could have told Sun about Ben's role in destroying the freighter, i.e. killing Keamy and hence, by default, Jin, Mike etc. That would certainly fuel her need to 'kill Ben' if she is truly bent on that.

I think Sun correctly perceives that Kate has been set up as a pawn in the game between Ben and Widmore. (Probably Sun was tipped off by Widmore.) Everyone involved is aware of Kate's murderous past, and the potential for her to kill again in order to protect Aaron.

I think that Penny urged Kate to take Aaron in the first place, but once Ben and Widmore found out they each had their hand in rigging Kate's trial and manipulating the terms of Kate's custody for their own advantage.

Kate is like a sleeper cell and someone in the game has just activated her. Sun knows this; perhaps she's doing Widmore's bidding by contacting Kate or perhaps she wants to take control of the pawn herself. Maybe she simply wants to screw them over by protecting Kate.

I think Sun definitely has irrational feelings of blame and a sense of injustice that Kate and Jack's lives are supposedly happy and perfect, and that's where her meaness was coming from, and why she hadn't kept in touch with them. But I don't think that's her motivation, and I think she could soften toward them now that she's in touch again. Or ...maybe not!

What's really bugging me is that we're not clear on whether Aaron is actually important himself (and why), or whether Widmore and Ben are simply taking advantage of a vulnerable custody situation. To complicate things, Jack was brought in to testify at Kate's trial which led to Kate/Jack's reunion. I'm guessing Ben orchestrated that, without Jack's knowledge. So the ultimate target might be Jack. And Widmore may be using Kate and co. as leverage against Ben going after Penny.