We finally get it from the horse's mouth tonight to settle the controversy from the finale about why Sawyer bailed out of the helicopter.

It turns out that it wasn't because he had a sudden change of heart and didn't want to go back to the real world it was to...

"give her...them a chance."

Glad that we got that settled.

We finally get it from the horse's mouth tonight to settle the controversy from the finale about why Sawyer bailed out of the helicopter.

It turns out that it wasn't because he had a sudden change of heart and didn't want to go back to the real world it was to...

"give her...them a chance."

Glad that we got that settled.

Congratulations :cookie:

Yep! He's My Big Damn Hero!! :wub:

didn't realize it was considered unsettled til now... i was just thinking about how ticked Jack must've been that somebody (esp. Sawyer) managed to upstage him in terms of making a bigger/more dramatic sacrifice to save everyone :biggrin:

Awwwwwwwww, Sawyer is just a big softy. Once you got past his tough guy act, you just knew that he was sweet. With a wicked mouth. :biggrin:

When THE moment came someone had to step up. :biggrin:

And it was Sawyer. For his Freckles and his friends. He seemed really cut up about losing them all. :cry: Everything's all awry.

Congratulations :cookie:

Thank you.

I had assumed this was the reason since the finale last season and that it was readily apparent to everyone.

I think there were some people that were still a little confused and were claiming that Sawyer jumped out of the chopper for some selfish reason.

Thankfully they cleared it up definitively last night.

I didn't realize there was any doubt as to why he did it. It was pretty obvious. Frank says they need to lose a couple hundred pounds and Sawyer jumps out...... I'm not sure how anyone could think there was any other reason.

If Sawyer's motivation for jumping out was a mystery to you, then the rest of the show must make no sense at all. Pretty obvious. Not trying to be a jerk.

didn't realize it was considered unsettled til now... i was just thinking about how ticked Jack must've been that somebody (esp. Sawyer) managed to upstage him in terms of making a bigger/more dramatic sacrifice to save everyone :biggrin:

i don't see that jack is ticked at all. i think he likes sawyer and he appreciates what he had done for them. sawyer even said to daniel that everyone i cared about blew up on your boat. sawyer cared about all of them. jack told kate on the copter that they would go back to find sawyer. if they had been able to, they would have.

and i don't think jack feels upstaged since he told kate he was the one who saved her.

and have we forgotten that jack operated on ben to save kate and sawyer?

We finally get it from the horse's mouth tonight to settle the controversy from the finale about why Sawyer bailed out of the helicopter.

It turns out that it wasn't because he had a sudden change of heart and didn't want to go back to the real world it was to...

"give her...them a chance."

Glad that we got that settled.

A controversy? It was pretty obvious that he jumped to lighten the load and give everyone (and/or Kate) a chance to land on the freighter. Pretty simple to me.

i was just thinking about how ticked Jack must've been that somebody (esp. Sawyer) managed to upstage him in terms of making a bigger/more dramatic sacrifice to save everyone :biggrin:

LOL! Sawyer's going to have to do a lot more than one jump to make up for ALL the dramatic sacrifices Jack did over the past four years to protect and defend the Losties. Heck, he didn't even allow his side to heal after his operation when he heard Sayid and Desmond might need help, and he bled all the way through the jungle, God love him.

Sawyer did a nice thing by jumping. That's pretty clear.

i don't see that jack is ticked at all. i think he likes sawyer and he appreciates what he had done for them. sawyer even said to daniel that everyone i cared about blew up on your boat. sawyer cared about all of them. jack told kate on the copter that they would go back to find sawyer. if they had been able to, they would have.

and i don't think jack feels upstaged since he told kate he was the one who saved her.

and have we forgotten that jack operated on ben to save kate and sawyer?
I have to disagree with you a little, I think Jack does feel very guilty, angry, and a myriad of emotions about Sawyer jumping out of the helicopter. Jack as has been stated several times on the show has a need to fix things this caused his heroic actions and his mistakes on the island. He also holds himself to a very high standard and I think in retrospect he feels he should have jumped out of the helicopter and saved everyone else. Jack's statement I'm the one who stayed, I'm the one who saved you comes from his guilt over leaving Sawyer and the others behind. I think in that case his father issues come into play in that Jack always felt in competition with his father and felt he had to measure up to him or beat him. And since Sawyer heroically jumping, makes him another man Jack can't measure up to in Jack's mind. But I do agree with you he would have gone back for Sawyer if possible.

And yet Darlton said, in an interview just this week:

(short Darlton comment about Sawyer's jump, nothing about S5 events, I'm spoilerfonting it because there are some who don't even want to read Darlton stuff)
"Sawyer doesn't want to leave the island, and leaps off the chopper when he has a chance to do so. He's perfectly fine where he is." source: Nj.com interview (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/01/lost_damon_lindelof_qa.html)

And yet Darlton said, in an interview just this week:

(short Darlton comment about Sawyer's jump, nothing about S5 events, I'm spoilerfonting it because there are some who don't even want to read Darlton stuff)
"Sawyer doesn't want to leave the island, and leaps off the chopper when he has a chance to do so. He's perfectly fine where he is." source: Nj.com interview (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/01/lost_damon_lindelof_qa.html)

thank you so much! i was looking for that. in destiny calls, darlton only makes the reference to sawyers jump that jack has always wondered what sawyer whispered in her ear.

And yet Darlton said, in an interview just this week:

(short Darlton comment about Sawyer's jump, nothing about S5 events, I'm spoilerfonting it because there are some who don't even want to read Darlton stuff)
"Sawyer doesn't want to leave the island, and leaps off the chopper when he has a chance to do so. He's perfectly fine where he is." source: Nj.com interview (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/01/lost_damon_lindelof_qa.html)
That is true, Sawyer didn't have much to go back to in the world (but then ultimately did any of the O6?) But I think his reasons for jumping can't be stated as one thing but a combination of factors, the fact that he doesn't have much to go back to, his feeling of worthlessness, his love for Kate, and simply wanting to save the others.

I think that Darlton's comment means that Sawyer jumped to save them because he had the least to go back to... rather than jumping because he suddenly decided he didn't want to go back & it had the added benefit of saving them. There is a difference between what he did and what the original poster suggested.

didn't realize it was considered unsettled til now... i was just thinking about how ticked Jack must've been that somebody (esp. Sawyer) managed to upstage him in terms of making a bigger/more dramatic sacrifice to save everyone :biggrin:

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what he was thinking at that very moment. :rolleyes:

I think that Darlton's comment means that Sawyer jumped to save them because he had the least to go back to... rather than jumping because he suddenly decided he didn't want to go back & it had the added benefit of saving them. There is a difference between what he did and what the original poster suggested.

If that's Darlton's answer, then I'll go with it, but it is a little weak. I remember he was hell-bent to get off the island the first time in the raft, even though he had just as little to go back to then.

A controversy? It was pretty obvious that he jumped to lighten the load and give everyone (and/or Kate) a chance to land on the freighter. Pretty simple to me.



LOL! Sawyer's going to have to do a lot more than one jump to make up for ALL the dramatic sacrifices Jack did over the past four years to protect and defend the Losties. Heck, he didn't even allow his side to heal after his operation when he heard Sayid and Desmond might need help, and he bled all the way through the jungle, God love him.

Is that what you think, Jack did it to get off the Island, he knew Sayid and Desmond weren't on the choper. He's way too obsessive and a bit of a jerk, look at his actions in the FF when Kate says she is doing something for Sawyer, he says "But he's not here, is he? No. No, he made his choice. He chose to stay. I'm the one who came back. I'm the one who's here. I'm the one who saved you." But Sawyer didn't chose to stay did he, he chose to jump so they had a chace to make it to the freighter, I bet if they had to fly a little longer he would have pushed Hurley out of the choper, ok that last part is a bit much but you get my point.


But I was unaware that Sawyer motives for jumping was even a question, I thought it was obvious that he jumped to give them a little extra time to get to the freighter

And yet Darlton said, in an interview just this week:

(short Darlton comment about Sawyer's jump, nothing about S5 events, I'm spoilerfonting it because there are some who don't even want to read Darlton stuff)
"Sawyer doesn't want to leave the island, and leaps off the chopper when he has a chance to do so. He's perfectly fine where he is." source: Nj.com interview (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/01/lost_damon_lindelof_qa.html)
That's Damon's comment about Sawyer's jump.

Carlton's explanation from the Lost magazine seems a bit different - http://i44.tinypic.com/23ll6qu.jpg. Here's a little extract:
...Making the decision to jump was such a cathartic moment for Sawyer, and such a culmination of his journey so far on the series - here he was giving up his girl and a chance to return to the outside world...

I'd love to know which interpretation is the correct one. :undecide:

Thank you.

I had assumed this was the reason since the finale last season and that it was readily apparent to everyone.

I think there were some people that were still a little confused and were claiming that Sawyer jumped out of the chopper for some selfish reason.

Thankfully they cleared it up definitively last night.


Yep, they cleared alot of things up in the recap and the premiere thankfully!! I think Sawyer was really good in the premiere.

Gotta say, I'm glad the premiere confirmed what I was thinking when Sawyer jumped off the helicopter. He has a very selfless core deep inside.

If that's Darlton's answer, then I'll go with it, but it is a little weak. I remember he was hell-bent to get off the island the first time in the raft, even though he had just as little to go back to then.


But then, he went with Locke because he didn't want to go back. But I think you are misconstruing what I was saying....but I'm not sure how to make it more clear. If I could use tone online, it would be - but it's not coming across the way I mean in black and white.

Is that what you think, Jack did it to get off the Island, he knew Sayid and Desmond weren't on the choper. He's way too obsessive and a bit of a jerk, look at his actions in the FF when Kate says she is doing something for Sawyer, he says "But he's not here, is he? No. No, he made his choice. He chose to stay. I'm the one who came back. I'm the one who's here. I'm the one who saved you." But Sawyer didn't chose to stay did he, he chose to jump so they had a chace to make it to the freighter, I bet if they had to fly a little longer he would have pushed Hurley out of the choper, ok that last part is a bit much but you get my point.


But I was unaware that Sawyer motives for jumping was even a question, I thought it was obvious that he jumped to give them a little extra time to get to the freighter

i agree with the second 1/2 of your statement. in the first season sawyer wanted to leave on the raft because, really, he hadn't made too many friends on the island. he wasn't going to let kate go instead of him, was he?;) then he did decide to go with locke in the 4th season and when kate said, wait, what are you doing? his reply was the same thing i'm always doing, lookin out for myself (something to that nature). he told her in the economist that they could stay together on the island. he told her then that there was no going back for him.

so, he may have changed his mind a little in the finale when the excitement of leaving the island with, oh my god, a helicopter! was just too much for everyone. how exciting! but in the throws of the moment, he chose to jump because "everyone i cared about" was on that helicopter. can we, for once, admit that he jumped for EVERYONE on that helicopter. he jumped for kate, hurley, sayid, jack, the baby, des and frank. he sacrificed himself for them, BUT he also has the least to lose. he didn't care if he went off the island or not.

now, in the promos, when locke says to sawyer:

don't you want HER to come back?

lets just see how he responds. one way would still be heroic, the other would be.......

and caforrest, the sentence in bold....really? kind of off topic, right?

And yet Darlton said, in an interview just this week:

(short Darlton comment about Sawyer's jump, nothing about S5 events, I'm spoilerfonting it because there are some who don't even want to read Darlton stuff)
"Sawyer doesn't want to leave the island, and leaps off the chopper when he has a chance to do so. He's perfectly fine where he is." source: Nj.com interview (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/01/lost_damon_lindelof_qa.html)

I kind of like to take the words of the characters on the show.

Glad to see that most of the supposed controversy over Sawyer's actions has been eliminated. We seem to have come to consensus here that didn't exist until this episode concluded.

But my point is ... when was there ever controversy? It was made clear when he jumped.

I thought his reasons for jumping were clear. And was that he jumped more important than why?

Hmm, I too was not aware of any controversy here. It was pretty clear that Sawyer's jump was a sacrifice to save Kate and the others, and not because he really wanted to stay on the island.

I think Sawyer was certainly less motivated to leave than the others (just thinking back to his thoughts on the subject back in Otherville last season), but that certainly doesn't mean that he wanted to stay behind when everyone else was getting to leave. Remember that he was still assuming that if he made it to shore, the boat would come back for everyone else. He knew someone had to jump and probably thougth he was the most fit to do so and make the swim back.

and caforrest, the sentence in bold....really? kind of off topic, right?
Yeah, I'm sorry, I just get sooooo frustrated when people make Jack out to be some kind of saint, it was a bit of a stretch, but the point remains.

I think there were some people that were still a little confused and were claiming that Sawyer jumped out of the chopper for some selfish reason.

I'm one of those. I believe people can do good things for selfish reasons. As I rewatched the Season Four finale, I saw him flirting with Kate over, of all things, the dead commando guys laying around the 'copter. What did they do to tick you off, freckles? he asks as he nudges one with his foot. Later he hops onto the helicopter like he was part of some high schooler's caper. Maybe he was glad to finally be leaving the island. But I think he was just hotdogging. What a shock to get back to the island and realize there was no way to escape, believing his friends had died. He felt bad because his last act of showing off and flirting in front of Kate ended up, in his mind, to be for nothing. He outconned himself. Island wins.

Yeah, I'm sorry, I just get sooooo frustrated when people make Jack out to be some kind of saint, it was a bit of a stretch, but the point remains.

and i, the other way around!;)

his reply was the same thing i'm always doing, lookin out for myself (something to that nature).

he said 'survivin' not myself.

he told her in the economist that they could stay together on the island. he told her then that there was no going back for him.

so, he may have changed his mind a little in the finale when the excitement of leaving the island with, oh my god, a helicopter!
He may have changed his mind after the Others village was attacked, many red shirts died, Claire's cabin was rocket launched, Keamy shot Alex point blank in the head, Ben unleashed the smoke monster, they all split up in the jungle, Miles discovers Rousseau and Karl buried up to their faces, Claire vanishes in the jungle leaving Aaron, yea get me off this rock seems much less ambiguous.

Still questioning why he gets into the chopper, or saying he didn't change his mind before he got into the chopper and that his reasons for jumping was a selfish motivation,
who would choose to go back to dangerous island unless it was for others to be out of that danger, whether it was for Kate, Hurley or everyone on the helicopter. Putting yourself back in that danger seems pretty selfless to me.

he said 'survivin' not myself.

did you see me say, something to that nature? do you know what that means?

and NO ONE EVER SAID he wasn't heroic!

ah, everyone has done heroics on the island, but when sawyer does something good, we have to make a bigger deal, right?

I'm one of those. I believe people can do good things for selfish reasons. As I rewatched the Season Four finale, I saw him flirting with Kate over, of all things, the dead commando guys laying around the 'copter. What did they do to tick you off, freckles? he asks as he nudges one with his foot. Later he hops onto the helicopter like he was part of some high schooler's caper. Maybe he was glad to finally be leaving the island. But I think he was just hotdogging. What a shock to get back to the island and realize there was no way to escape, believing his friends had died. He felt bad because his last act of showing off and flirting in front of Kate ended up, in his mind, to be for nothing. He outconned himself. Island wins.

So he was lying to Juliet?

He didn't jump to make sure "she...they got back to the freighter?" Thats what you're saying?

Gotta say, I'm glad the premiere confirmed what I was thinking when Sawyer jumped off the helicopter. He has a very selfless core deep inside.

I'm not sure he has a selfless core but I believe he has a heart and a conscience even though he tries to suppress it. I base this opinion on a few events. He terminated the con when he saw the young boy; he put his money that he got for ratting on another convict in an account for his daughter; he seemed genuinely remorseful for killing the wrong man. IMO his duality is no different than the other Losties and in fact all people.

I'm not sure he has a selfless core but I believe he has a heart and a conscience even though he tries to suppress it. I base this opinion on a few events. He terminated the con when he saw the young boy; he put his money that he got for ratting on another convict in an account for his daughter; he seemed genuinely remorseful for killing the wrong man. IMO his duality is no different than the other Losties and in fact all people.

BINGO!:thumbup:

And yet Darlton said, in an interview just this week:

(short Darlton comment about Sawyer's jump, nothing about S5 events, I'm spoilerfonting it because there are some who don't even want to read Darlton stuff)
"Sawyer doesn't want to leave the island, and leaps off the chopper when he has a chance to do so. He's perfectly fine where he is." source: Nj.com interview (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/01/lost_damon_lindelof_qa.html)

What they say in interviews, even what they say in those clip shows where they repeat themselves year after year, means nothing. What they have the characters say and do is the whole enchilada.

Sawyer jumped so Kate could be safe. That's all. It's not a difficult plot point. This show is filled with hard to answer questions, but this was one of the easiest to understand. Sawyer loves Kate. He wanted her to be safe. Now he thinks she died anyway. That's why he's coming apart.

What they say in interviews, even what they say in those clip shows where they repeat themselves year after year, means nothing. What they have the characters say and do is the whole enchilada.

Sawyer jumped so Kate could be safe. That's all. It's not a difficult plot point. This show is filled with hard to answer questions, but this was one of the easiest to understand. Sawyer loves Kate. He wanted her to be safe. Now he thinks she died anyway. That's why he's coming apart.
Don't know why people are still debating this? Why does one factor have to be greater than the other factors he had for jumping. Yes, I thought his love for Kate motivated him to jump but wasn't it also to save his friends. I think people rarely make a decision based on one factor alone.

Sawyer loves Kate. He wanted her to be safe. Now he thinks she died anyway. That's why he's coming apart.
He's messed up and coming apart, that's for sure - by the time travel, flaming arrows, and lack of food and other stuff. Sawyer loves stuff, always has, always will.
I'm not a shipper, don't give a rat's butt about jate or skate or jacket or any of that stuff. To each his/her own, peace out.

Yes, I thought his love for Kate motivated him to jump but wasn't it also to save his friends. .


It's no different than when he went into a flaming building to save Claire or traipsed off into the jungle so Jack wouldn't "die alone" or letting Jack know that Hurley was with Ben & Locke.

Don't know why people are still debating this? Why does one factor have to be greater than the other factors he had for jumping. Yes, I thought his love for Kate motivated him to jump but wasn't it also to save his friends. I think people rarely make a decision based on one factor alone.

The writers chose very careful words. "I did it so SHE....(pause)...they could get to the boat." There's no ambiguity. He did it for Kate. He kissed Kate. He asked Kate to do something for him. He looked into Kate's eyes. Now the writers have TOLD us who he did it for. How is this still not clear?

Sure, Sawyer has become a very heroic guy and he's always done brave things to help others. But the helicopter jump was for Kate. Since the writers planned to separate Kate and Sawyer, they used that big romantic moment to set up a way to keep them connected.

and they are connected. nobody is disputing that. this isn't a debate of how much sawyer loves kate.

he also told daniel that "EVERYONE I CARED ABOUT blew up on your boat". i suppose when he jumped he didn't jump for that sweet little island baby or his big burly buddy or the soldier friend that would have died alongside him or for that matter the other three guys on the copter.

i will say he jumped for kate. there is no dispute here how sawyer feels about kate. there is another thread for that as well!

and i don't think that darlton, who decides how the show goes, would make quotes in interviews and lie to us because they don't really know how the show's going to go. really? omgosh. are the actors starting to take over the show and reinact how they want the storyline to go. please, give darlton some credit.

and if we are going to sit here and list all the heroic things sawyer has done since season.....uh.....two, then we need to also list all the heroic things ALL the characters have done from season one.:rolleyes: can we still remember what someone else did for sawyer in season 3? someone else sacrificed his life and his love for a woman to SAVE SAWYER'S LIFE. do we remember that there was a gun to his head and kate was pleading for his life????? someone saved his life right then.

no one on the island is more special that the other as far as heroics is. please console him about the love of his life on his shipper thread.

I think Sawyer's jump was motivated by complicated feelings. Sure, it was his feelings for Kate and Hurley and everyone else. I think he just did a mental calculation in his mind about what had to be accomplished and who he thought was expendable to accomplish it or more able to accomplish it without dying - and he decided it was he.

I think he determined that he wasn't AS motivated as the others to leave the island (and would be OK if it didn't work out) and SOMEONE had to do it. He decided it should be him.

I don't think the jump was all about Kate. It's just not that simple. But I don't think the fact that it's NOT just about Kate means he cares about her any less or that it was any less heroic because there were other motivations involved.

please console him about the love of his life on his shipper thread.

????? His shippper thread? Why can't we discuss his motivation for jumping here on the thread that's about his motivation for jumping? I can't "console" him. He's a make believe character on tv.

I think he determined that he wasn't AS motivated as the others to leave the island (and would be OK if it didn't work out) and SOMEONE had to do it. He decided it should be him.

I don't think the jump was all about Kate.

So when he said he jumped so "SHE", and then he stopped and said "they", the writers put that in there to tell us that he had actually made a calculation about who was more motivated and he didn't jump just for kate? That's not what the writers wrote, so why would we be expected to think that? When they spell it out for us in the dialogue, can't we just take that as canon?

Obviously Kate was number 1 in his priority list but it doesn't mean he wouldn't have done it for the others. He said it himself, everyone he ever cared about was on that boat. No one here can deny that he really cares about Hurley. Hell, he went back for him.

Sawyer dying to get off the island always seemed so clear to me:

1. 'There ain't nothing worth staying here for': he had feelings for Kate, which he thought she didn't return, due to her feelings for Jack.

2. And more important, he still had to kill the real Sawyer! He had that letter, he had his life's goal, he knew he'd offed the wrong man in Australia, so he left the island.

Now, he's killed his nemesis, and hence doesn't have that same burning need to get off the island as before. He wouldn't have minded leaving, naturally, but he jumped because he wanted to get Kate and the baby and the rest back to safety. I thought it was so clear-cut.

It was clear cut evanesco - you don't need to explain the obvious to all of us! ( nice to see you by the way!:biggrin:)

So when he said he jumped so "SHE", and then he stopped and said "they", the writers put that in there to tell us that he had actually made a calculation about who was more motivated and he didn't jump just for kate? That's not what the writers wrote, so why would we be expected to think that? When they spell it out for us in the dialogue, can't we just take that as canon?

mehan, if you want it to be all for kate, then that's fine. i'll step back and let you think that that is what it is. i have never said that it was cut and dry about why sawyer jumped. if you want to think that sawyer would not have jumped from that helicopter if kate WAS NOT on it, then go ahead. i think more of sawyer than you do, i guess. i really cannot see him sitting his rear on that helicopter and let baby aaron and his bestest buddy just go down into the ocean because there was too much weight. being the HERO he is, he would have jumped for those two. i guess, by your statement, it's a good thing kate was on the helicopter.

Sawyer dying to get off the island always seemed so clear to me:

1. 'There ain't nothing worth staying here for': he had feelings for Kate, which he thought she didn't return, due to her feelings for Jack.

2. And more important, he still had to kill the real Sawyer! He had that letter, he had his life's goal, he knew he'd offed the wrong man in Australia, so he left the island.



i saw that episode. thanks for the refresh, evanesco!

It was a great scene in the finale, we can see that Sawyer is comming from The Con Artist to the hero.

exactly. he is a hero for all of his friends.

everyone i cared about blew up on your boat:frown:

all of the losties crashed on the island with real personal problems. each one of them have turned themselves around. some of them are still working at it, but ultimately, by series end, they will have accomplished what the island wanted from or for them.

So when he said he jumped so "SHE", and then he stopped and said "they", the writers put that in there to tell us that he had actually made a calculation about who was more motivated and he didn't jump just for kate? That's not what the writers wrote, so why would we be expected to think that? When they spell it out for us in the dialogue, can't we just take that as canon?


Are you saying that you believe he jumped for Kate and Kate alone?

What I'm saying is that, of course, she was a motivation - just not the only one.

I would argue that it was the primary motivation, if not the sole one, since I would like to think he was also trying to spare his other friends from having to make such a potentially lethal jump. It would appear that Sawyer (through his dialogue in this ep), and Darlton (speaking on their intentions as writers of that particular scene) have already weighed in and confirmed that Sawyer jumped for 'his girl' Kate.

Hmm, I too was not aware of any controversy here. It was pretty clear that Sawyer's jump was a sacrifice to save Kate and the others, and not because he really wanted to stay on the island.

I think Sawyer was certainly less motivated to leave than the others (just thinking back to his thoughts on the subject back in Otherville last season), but that certainly doesn't mean that he wanted to stay behind when everyone else was getting to leave. Remember that he was still assuming that if he made it to shore, the boat would come back for everyone else. He knew someone had to jump and probably thougth he was the most fit to do so and make the swim back.

I agree, I wasn't aware there was a debate. :confused: I guess anything becomes a debate in LOST on these forums. :) I don't have a "side" on this stuff (love all three of the characters), but I did think that it was a very moving scene all around in the finale and feel bad this season for Sawyer thinking that the jumped only to have the woman he loved and his friends all die.

I'm pretty certain he did it for Kate