There are a couple of things that make sense after last night's episode:

1. The Whispers - I assume that the whispers are actually the voices of the people skipping through time. This also explains why some whispers are backwards (moving backwards in time).

2. John Locke named himself as the leader of the others. When he goes back in time and Ethan threatens to shoot him he says "Ben Linus told me that I am going to take his place" then he disappears. Obviously, Ethan goes back to the others and tells them this. So, when John shows up after the crash, the others welcome him without question.

In regards to the whispers, that does make sense. Anyone know of a link or anything that gives a breakdown of all the whisper talk we have heard? It would be interesting to read them over again in light of what we now know/suspect.

Lostpedia has a pretty good list of whisper transcripts:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts

like some people say, perhaps the whispers come from those 'others' who are, apparently, NOT skipping in time like the rest of the losties. Think about it, if Richard and company are not dislodged from time like the rest of the left behind, where/when the heck are they?
Could they be just 'voices' or dissembodied observers watching these people lost in time?

There are a couple of things that make sense after last night's episode:
1. The Whispers - I assume that the whispers are actually the voices of the people skipping through time. This also explains why some whispers are backwards (moving backwards in time).

Yes, that's a very satisfying explanation and I hope they leave it there.

Some of the whisperers would of course be other people who were stuck in time in earlier incidents.

like some people say, perhaps the whispers come from those 'others' who are, apparently, NOT skipping in time like the rest of the losties. Think about it, if Richard and company are not dislodged from time like the rest of the left behind, where/when the heck are they?
Could they be just 'voices' or dissembodied observers watching these people lost in time?

That was my impression. It jives with Alpert's conversation with Locke where he said they (he and the Others) didn't disappear, you (Locke and the Losties) did.

And I am not completely sure about this, but we haven't heard a single whisper since the Ben moved the island. When Saywer and Juliet were hiding in the woods and those people went by, I was sure we were going to hear whispers.

Thanks for the link Irish!!

something doesnt quite add up here : some of the whispers where actual lines from our characters' pasts. so they're not random and are specific to the characters that hear them.

now, what was kinda established last year, is that the whispers seem to occur when the others (hostiles) are around.

what I think I know is :

the others are not affected by the time stuff.
the losties are and whoever was exposed to radiation.

maybe the others are not "immortal" or "un-aging" : they're just stuck in one time frame while everyone else is floating around randomly around them.

now, what was kinda established last year, is that the whispers seem to occur when the others (hostiles) are around.

Not exactly true, remember Shannon heard whispers in the jungle just before Walt "appeared" to her. Little Ben heard whispers when his dead mother appeared at the sonic fence to tell him to go back. And I think Jack heard whispers when he was talking on the intercom during his imprisonment at the Hydra station.

Not exactly true, remember Shannon heard whispers in the jungle just before Walt "appeared" to her. Little Ben heard whispers when his dead mother appeared at the sonic fence to tell him to go back. And I think Jack heard whispers when he was talking on the intercom during his imprisonment at the Hydra station.

yes, BUT it doesn't disprove my point.
during all these manifestations, there may have been an "other" around.

Ben -- wasn't richard watching him ?
Jack -- surrounded by "others" in the hydra
Shannon -- an other could have been watching.

I think the appearances are just a very stronger manifestation of the whispers. maybe the others can control that.

I just had a new theory about the whispers and I am almost 100% sure that it will end up being right...

The whispers are actually coming from the losties that were left behind while they are carefully hidden in the bushes, spying their time 'doppelgangers' during the different island time jumps.
Think about it... They already KNOW where/when the survivors are gonna be, but they might have been warned by Daniel NOT to INTERACT with their time doubles because of the terrible consequences (remember Candle freaking out about the bunnies getting close to each other?)
So, as you can see, the losties who are now 'jumping through' time have ALWAYS been there together with the original survivors, spying on them, wanting to help change the course of things, but not being able to.
They might end up being the REAL OTHERS, the ones that used to vanish and not leave tracks...

If this is true, kudos to the writers!!! Everything seems to have been planned very carefully from the very begining of the show...

I just had a new theory about the whispers and I am almost 100% sure that it will end up being right...

The whispers are actually coming from the losties that were left behind while they are carefully hidden in the bushes, spying their time 'doppelgangers' during the different island time jumps.
Think about it... They already KNOW where/when the survivors are gonna be, but they might have been warned by Daniel NOT to INTERACT with their time doubles because of the terrible consequences (remember Candle freaking out about the bunnies getting close to each other?)
So, as you can see, the losties who are now 'jumping through' time have ALWAYS been there together with the original survivors, spying on them, wanting to help change the course of things, but not being able to.
They might end up being the REAL OTHERS, the ones that used to vanish and not leave tracks...

If this is true, kudos to the writers!!! Everything seems to have been planned very carefully from the very begining of the show...

I like this. but I have a few issues with it :

- I doubt that there will be time doubles. It somehow doesn't seem to fit with the rules that we now know. I love the casimir effect thing. But I think that is just a mistake that can happen if things go wrong. That said, I also think it will probably happen once or twice during this season for drama's sake. but it won't have much consequence.

- Some of the whispers were saying things that were from some character's flashback (not losties). So if they had really planned this out, they wouldn't use those sound bites because they don't make sense, with regards to your theory.

Other than that, I like your theory, but not in this form. There must be more to it.

I just had a new theory about the whispers and I am almost 100% sure that it will end up being right...

The whispers are actually coming from the losties that were left behind while they are carefully hidden in the bushes, spying their time 'doppelgangers' during the different island time jumps.
Think about it... They already KNOW where/when the survivors are gonna be, but they might have been warned by Daniel NOT to INTERACT with their time doubles because of the terrible consequences (remember Candle freaking out about the bunnies getting close to each other?)
So, as you can see, the losties who are now 'jumping through' time have ALWAYS been there together with the original survivors, spying on them, wanting to help change the course of things, but not being able to.
They might end up being the REAL OTHERS, the ones that used to vanish and not leave tracks...

If this is true, kudos to the writers!!! Everything seems to have been planned very carefully from the very begining of the show...

It's an interesting take. I think a telling clue are the two #15 rabbits from The Orchid video. That could be playing out on the outside with human beings.

the whispers are dead people but it's still related to time...

" "Shannon (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Shannon)"
"She likes the guy, she likes the guy"
"Shannon"
"Your life and time is up"
"Help me"
"Shannon, meet me on the other side"





also one of the voices heard is 'clearly' Ben's mother?

I like this. but I have a few issues with it :

- I doubt that there will be time doubles. It somehow doesn't seem to fit with the rules that we now know. I love the casimir effect thing. But I think that is just a mistake that can happen if things go wrong. That said, I also think it will probably happen once or twice during this season for drama's sake. but it won't have much consequence.

- Some of the whispers were saying things that were from some character's flashback (not losties). So if they had really planned this out, they wouldn't use those sound bites because they don't make sense, with regards to your theory.

Other than that, I like your theory, but not in this form. There must be more to it.

I'm not so sure about the relevance of what the whispers are saying because in most cases, 99% of viewers don't know what they are saying.
Besides, if they had included real clues to what they are saying, hard core fans would have realized what was going on 4 years ago!

What about the whispers heard on the autopsy tape of the girl who came back to life in Australia. (The "miracle" that Eko went to investigate).

This happened off island, so how could the losties be involved with that?

I'm not so sure about the relevance of what the whispers are saying because in most cases, 99% of viewers don't know what they are saying.
Besides, if they had included real clues to what they are saying, hard core fans would have realized what was going on 4 years ago!

I disagree with this because the producers know that the hardcore fans are going to decipher what the whispers are saying and as such will need to make sure that they are carefully planned.

I just don't think we've been given enough clues regarding The Whispers. Here's what I know.

1. The Whispers come at a time when The Others are near.
2. They also have lines from the survivors past.
3. I'm not sure Walt's whispers were actually whispers. I think he actually projected himself to Shannon and Sayid and was talking to them.

I'm probably wrong, but not enough evidence to put together a plausible theory. The time travel theory is the most plausible one yet, but there isn't enough evidence to sustain it.

I disagree with this because the producers know that the hardcore fans are going to decipher what the whispers are saying and as such will need to make sure that they are carefully planned.

I just don't think we've been given enough clues regarding The Whispers. Here's what I know.

1. The Whispers come at a time when The Others are near.
2. They also have lines from the survivors past.
3. I'm not sure Walt's whispers were actually whispers. I think he actually projected himself to Shannon and Sayid and was talking to them.

I'm probably wrong, but not enough evidence to put together a plausible theory. The time travel theory is the most plausible one yet, but there isn't enough evidence to sustain it.


that's what I mean. If they had included lines as clear as Sawyer saying something like ' hey! I'm looking at myself! how cool is that?', Hardcore fans reversing the audio would have said: wait a minute! that sounds like Sawyer! How is that possible? It seems that he is spying on himself! Wait a minute, I got it! They are time traveling!!! End of the show...

In one of the enhanced episodes, it is mentioned that the whispers occur when something bad is about to happen. How this helps the discussion is beyond me... just wanted to mention it. :)

The whispers are mostly heard in and around the jungle... especially where "There be Dragons" and "Dark Territory"

This is the place where Bea Klugh sacrificed herself to keep secret.

There are a few incidents where the whispers are heard in places other than the jungle... But a large majority are there.

I am sure the whispers have to do with time travel.. but I think it will end up being in some way we have not even thought of yet. something that will be mindblowing.

I think the Whispers are just people stuck in time. Not the Losties, but others throughout the years of the Island.
Maybe people who've been affected, like the guys on the Freighter, don't die. They just become spirits, like Christian, just not as strong to manifest themselves, and are stuck in time forever as a ghost.
There's no hope for them.
I guess...well...like purgatory.

I like that Heroic Poser. Could that be where Jacob is? Stuck in some "pergatory" kind of time? Could it be somehow similar to the Australian Aboriginal idea of Dreamtime?

Maybe that's what he meant by "Help Me...."
He wants to be un-stuck.

The Whispers have been heard off the island as well. Right before the bomb blew up the ship, Micheal heard them when Jacks father appeared and told him he could go now. I seems that the Whispers are heard when something bad is about to happen.

Your right... the whispers were heard outside the courtroom when Kate was walking through the crowd of reporters..... it was reversed... "we hate you".

Rousseau was the first to mention the whispers, indicating she heard them long before our Losties crashed. Sayid asked her if she's seen others, and she tells him no - she hears them whisper.

One of the whispers was Boone - and he died before Ben moved the donkey wheel.

Another one was the man Sawyer killed in Australia.

While some of them may end up attributable to the left behinds traveling through time - I don't think that will be the end-all explanation for them.