OK so clearly time lines are sometimes tough to keep track of - especially with all the time traveling but .... Can anyone explain to me why, when Kate met with Sun in L.A. Aaron was clearly 3-4 years old (as expected since he was born on the island and they have now been off for 3 years) but when Sun showed Kate a picture of Ji Yeon she was only a few months old?? Shouldn't Sun and Jin's baby have been at least 2 years old?

Most mothers of young children keep up-to-date pictures of their kids with them. Especially if its their first child and especially if they are going out-of-town and are planning to see an old friend.

So what does this mean? Has Sun been away from Ji Yeon for so long that the only picture she has is from more than a year ago? Does Ji Yeon (having been conceived on the island) not age like a normal person? Any ideas?

I thought that was strange too. Everything about Sun was strange.
The way she acted towards Kate. Made me wonder if Sun didn't trust Kate enough to show her an up to date picture fo what her daughter looks like.

Or here is a thought that is just way out there.
What if Juliet was wrong and the baby was not Jins. Now that she is a toddler you can clearly see she isn't Jins?

I thought that was strange too. Everything about Sun was strange.
The way she acted towards Kate. Made me wonder if Sun didn't trust Kate enough to show her an up to date picture fo what her daughter looks like.


I think this is smart thinking.

good call!! i didn't even notice that. she should be almost 3!

Sun did say it was a baby picture, so either she didn't have any up-to-date ones on her or there is some other reason why she didn't want to show her a more recent picture.

I did note this scene with particular interest. As a mom, everyone here on the Lage has watched my littlest one grow up via my avi. (She was only 1 when I joined and now is about to be 4..whoa.)
This being said, Sun did specifically say "this is a baby picture" of Ji Yeon. I have been known to show off the baby pics but I always have the most recent ones available in my wallet or at my desk.
I would have thought following the baby pic Sun would have said "and here is the most recent pic of Ji Yeon when she was 1" or whatever.
I think there is some plotting going on and Sun is trying to bait Kate. Just my thoughts.

I thought that was strange too. Everything about Sun was strange.
The way she acted towards Kate. Made me wonder if Sun didn't trust Kate enough to show her an up to date picture fo what her daughter looks like.

That's an interesting thought.
I thought it was just the cheapo way of getting around the inconvenience that they hadn't cast a toddler Ji Yeon yet and then the fans would cry "discontinuity!" if later we saw a 3 year old Ji Yeon who was a different child than who was the picture Sun might have shown Kate.

OK so clearly time lines are sometimes tough to keep track of - especially with all the time traveling but .... Can anyone explain to me why, when Kate met with Sun in L.A. Aaron was clearly 3-4 years old (as expected since he was born on the island and they have now been off for 3 years) but when Sun showed Kate a picture of Ji Yeon she was only a few months old?? Shouldn't Sun and Jin's baby have been at least 2 years old?



Sun clearly pointed out to Kate,as she was showing her the picture, that it was Ji Yeon's baby picture. I didn't find that at all strange. What I found strange is Sun seem guarded when she spoke to Kate. I don't trust Sun now & I'm going out on a limb here to say that Sun may be the person behind the lawyer's who approached Kate for the DNA samples.

ok ok clearly I didn't notice that she said "baby picture" but I still think it's strange. Who has a 2 year old and shows off pictures of that kid from at 6 months old?

It could be a casting issue but if that was the case I think they wouldn't have even bothered with the picture at all. They could have skipped that little moment without anyone noticing. It must have more significance.

Are they saying that Sun doesn't trust Kate? Very possible, Sun was acting really strange. Especially compared to the warm & friendly reunion she had with Hurley last season in Korea. I still have a feeling that its something more though.

Remember that Sun had met with Charles Widmore prior to meeting with Kate. I have a feeling that some deals were made or information was traded at that meeting which will change Sun's relationship with each of the O6 aside from maybe Hurley (and possibly Sayid).

As a mother of three I always keep updated pics og th girls in my purse. Sun was acting and speaking very oddly last night. There is something going on with her.

It could be that they haven't cast the older Ji Yeon yet and don't want to find themselves in another "Desmond's photo of him with Penny (who wasn't Penny)" situation.

I agree that Sun was acting really strangely in that scene...and pretty much the whole of the following episode. I hadn't even caught the time difference picture thing. Anyhow, a character I enjoyed somewhat all along is heading in the direction of dislike for me.

I might believe the "casting issues" explanation if Sun wasn't acting so creepy. I have no idea what her motivation is now. Is she really after Ben? Widmore? Her father? Jack?

It struck me that perhaps Sun was hiding her daughter somewhere, and didn't want anyone to see a recent picture. Would she really have left the baby alone with her mother when she has such a bad relationship with her father, who clearly is brutal and has total control over his wife? I wouldn't have left Ji Yeon there...

I noticed it, too. Sun was clear that it was a baby picture--she obviously did not want Kate to see what her daughter looks like.

Sun was very creepy in that scene. I think she showed her true feelings for Kate (now hatred for not getting Jin on the copter) but quickly covered them up again. I don't trust Sun at all. Bad Sun......

Sun clearly pointed out to Kate,as she was showing her the picture, that it was Ji Yeon's baby picture. I didn't find that at all strange. What I found strange is Sun seem guarded when she spoke to Kate. I don't trust Sun now & I'm going out on a limb here to say that Sun may be the person behind the lawyer's who approached Kate for the DNA samples.


Sun was acting guarded, definately. There's more to this that it appears. There has to be a really good reason that she didn't show a CURRENT pix.

I think Sun is jumping sides because her target it to kill Ben not maintain friendships. She has made a deal with the devil (Whitmore).

I think Ben is the behind the lawyer so that Kate will take him back to island rather than loose him.

Why so angry? Is she really angry at Kate b/c she blames her for Jin's death ... maybe.
In the meeting with Widmore she said she wanted to kill Benjamin Linus, seemingly in revenge for Jin's death as well. But this vengeful side of Sun doesn't seem to fit her personality at all.

True, her husband is dead but killing Ben won't bring him back. I think there is another motivation working here.

Perhaps - someone took the baby? As far as we know Ji Yeon would have been the only child conceived on the island that was carried to full-term and survived, right? So they took her for testing maybe ... and she thinks it was Ben or someone connected to him.

THAT might motivate her to take over her father's company - meet with Widmore and plot Ben's murder. Perhaps she is trying to strong arm these guys into returning her child.

So to bring it full circle ... she doesn't have a recent picture b/c she hasn't seen Ji Yeon since she was only a few months old.

Perhaps - someone took the baby? As far as we know Ji Yeon would have been the only child conceived on the island that was carried to full-term and survived, right? So they took her for testing maybe ... and she thinks it was Ben or someone connected to him.Well, that would explain her suddenly jumping to the conclusion that the lawyers were after Aaron. :shrug:

Oooooh! That's a great theory! Someone has taken Ji Yeon! Kinda fits with the Sun's tense comment to Kate regarding the fact that she got on the plane with Aaron...Sun's whole demeanor that during that scene could be read as bitterness that Kate has Aaron but Sun no longer has Ji Yeon.

and, I was reminded but comments in another thread, it would also explain the weird wouldn't you do ANYTHING to protect your child talk Sun was giving to Kate

Sun talked to her mom and Ji Yeon in London, just before going to the Oxford airport and flying to LAX. The conversation didn't seem strained, like it would have been if Ji Yeon and her mom were being held captive. Nor did Sun seemed stressed as she spoke to them. The conversation was Korean; translators have said she told her mom she would be going to the airport that evening.

Presumably it was that same evening when she encountered Widmore at the airport. They agreed to work together, Sun went to LA and meet Kate. I don't think she's got a major grudge against Kate, altho certainly there's no love lost between Sun and Jack. But Jack's not her main interest at the moment. Ben is Sun's and Widmore's common enemy.

So Sun is using Kate to get to Ben. Sun knows (either on her own, or from Widmore) that Ben is likely trying to get Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid rounded up. Kate's the easiest one for her to arrange to meet with, and Kate's the most likely one to trust Sun.

So for Sun, Kate is a means to an end.

As to the picture:
1) Any way the Lost writers handled it would have raised questions: if she hadn't shown a picture at all, if the picture hadn't matched up with the later-cast actress, etc., folks here would be asking "why?"
and/or
2) Sun doesn't carry a recent picture of Ji Yeon because she knows it's a dangerous world in general for her daughter. She's not worried about Kate in particular.

I have no idea what her motivation is now. Is she really after Ben? Widmore? Her father? Jack?


I believe she is after Ben and Jack. Notice the sickly sweet tone in her voice when she asks Kate about him. She doesn't give a crap about Kate, she is looking for the the people she blames for Jin's death.

I think that Sun is just working with Widmore to get close to him. After all, wouldn't she blame Widmore for Jin's death more than Ben? She really has no reason to blame Ben. She doesn't know that it was him that killed Keamey causing the freighter to explode. So if she's thinking logically (which she clearly isn't) she should blame Widmore rather than Ben.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Sun is actually working with Ben as well to set up Widmore.

OUCH! Shot down ....:frown:
100%
:biggrin: ok ... how about this slight modification. They have tried to kidnap Ji Yeon but just haven't been successful yet.

This still explains all the WOULDNT YOU DO ANYTHING TO PROTECT YOUR CHILD talk and if she thinks its Ben that's after Ji Yeon (which would be a reasonable assumption on her part) then it explains why she wants him dead.

Also, if they "all have to go back" to the island (even Locke), wouldn't that include Ji Yeon??

Also, if they "all have to go back" to the island (even Locke), wouldn't that include Ji Yeon??

I was wondering that as well, but I'm sure it's a lengthy argument. The age old...is the fetus a person

I thought Sun's comments seemed out of place: "But you need to take care of him. Wouldn't you do anything to keep Aaron?"
But your ideas make a lot of sense. She seems to be talking from experience.

(I hadn't caught that about Ji Yeon's baby picture -- it does make this whole scenario with Sun more suspicious.)

i watched it again and she said "here is a baby picture". so she's admitting it's not recent.

wonder what's going on with the kid???

Some very interesting ideas here. I was one to believe in casting issues for the picture and attributed Sun's behavior to the fact that she is evil (I've never trusted her). But, if Ji Yeon was kidnapped that would give me reason to believe that Sun would willingly go to the Island (Ben is on the mainland he could be killed there). Heck if this was just a case where thaey hadn't cast an actress yet Somebody should write this into the script.

I didn't think anything of the picture. I don't think the picture and the age of the baby had to do with any time travel/alternate timelines going on I simply thought it was an old picture, either the first picture Sun took out of her billfold or the only one Sun had on her.

I think that Sun is just working with Widmore to get close to him. After all, wouldn't she blame Widmore for Jin's death more than Ben? She really has no reason to blame Ben. She doesn't know that it was him that killed Keamey causing the freighter to explode. So if she's thinking logically (which she clearly isn't) she should blame Widmore rather than Ben.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Sun is actually working with Ben as well to set up Widmore.

I think she is the new Ben manipulating people....

I think the Lawyers visited Sun just like they visited Kate. That since that time Sun has kept her daughter in hiding with her mother. Sun us doing everything in her power to protect her child and that is why she asked Kate the question. I think that Sun found out that Ben was behind the lawyers and that is why she sought out Widmore. IMO, it could be the only reason for her to want Ben dead. She doesn't know that Ben was responsible for Jin's death, unless of course Locke visited her and told her. I think she is feeling Kate out to find where her loyalty lies.

I think the Lawyers visited Sun just like they visited Kate. That since that time Sun has kept her daughter in hiding with her mother. Sun us doing everything in her power to protect her child and that is why she asked Kate the question.Well, considering Ji Yeon was born conceived on the island and now there's a spoiler that we will see Aaron & Ji Yeon 20 years into the future, then I think there is a good possibility that "Jacob" or someone - from the island or what not would be interested in having both of the children.

Well, considering Ji Yeon was born on the island and now there's a spoiler that we will see Aaron & Ji Yeon 20 years into the future, then I think there is a good possibility that "Jacob" or someone - from the island or what not would be interested in having both of the children.


Ji Yeon was conceived on the Island but not born there. She was born after Sun was back in civilization.

There would still be interest medically and scientifically in her.

Somehow I think that Ji Yeon will end up on the Island though I doubt very much that Sun will be bringing her there.

Whatever Sun is doing now is to protect her child. Whether she is working with Ben or Widmore to get the rest of the players back on the Island, I'll bet she is promised that her child will be safe. She will be double crossed.

I thought it was strange that she only had a picture of her as a newborn. This makes me think that Sun has her in hiding. Newborn babies look pretty much the same in a picture. Sun is trying to keep her baby safe thus not carrying any toddler pictures around.

Ji Yeon was conceived on the Island but not born there. She was born after Sun was back in civilization.Yeah, I meant to write conceived. My bad.

Personally, I'd think medically the mothers would be more valuable as far as breeding goes and furthering the population, but :shrug:

I thought it was a little odd too. Wouldn't Ji Yeon be about Aaron's age? Just a few months younger right? I've heard a few people say they think Ji Yeon has died, but I don't think that's true. There must be a reason why Sun showed a baby picture, and why the producers HAD Sun showing a baby picture.

Sun said something like "I wish our kids could play together." If Ji Yeon is still an infant, she would be an inappropriate playmate for a 3-year old. Chances are she showed the baby picture and then got distracted or didn't see enough interest in Kate to warrent showing the more recent pictures (friends, or in this case, acquaintances, get bored by baby pictures very quickly).

I wonder why the recent picture isn't the first/only one she showed though. It's a little odd.

Count me in on the kidnapping theory! I love it! :biggrin:

I think the whole, keeping Ji Yeon in hiding/protected is a good theory. Sun is acting shady, and who knows who's side she is on anymore.

Also, Kate is known to be a baby-stealer...maybe Sun doesn't want Kate knowing what Ji Yeon looks like cause she doesn't want her to snatch her child up like she did Claire's. :D

Sun was acting guarded, definately. There's more to this that it appears. There has to be a really good reason that she didn't show a CURRENT pix.

I think Sun is jumping sides because her target it to kill Ben not maintain friendships. She has made a deal with the devil (Whitmore).

I think Ben is the behind the lawyer so that Kate will take him back to island rather than loose him.



Oooooh! That's a great theory! Someone has taken Ji Yeon! Kinda fits with the Sun's tense comment to Kate regarding the fact that she got on the plane with Aaron...Sun's whole demeanor that during that scene could be read as bitterness that Kate has Aaron but Sun no longer has Ji Yeon.

I completely agree. Someone has kidnapped Ji Yeon. I first got that feeling when she made her cell phone call on the escalator at the airport. She seemed very frustrated could not reach anyone. It was as if she had been trying to call before and could not reach anyone. I would think that her mother would have her cell phone with her all the time and that may be worrying Sun.

Sun talked to her mom and Ji Yeon in London, just before going to the Oxford airport and flying to LAX. The conversation didn't seem strained, like it would have been if Ji Yeon and her mom were being held captive. Nor did Sun seemed stressed as she spoke to them. The conversation was Korean; translators have said she told her mom she would be going to the airport that evening.

The phone call in London everything was fine. The phone call in the airport when she could not reach anyone, I believe, had her worried.

Presumably it was that same evening when she encountered Widmore at the airport. They agreed to work together, Sun went to LA and meet Kate. I don't think she's got a major grudge against Kate, altho certainly there's no love lost between Sun and Jack. But Jack's not her main interest at the moment. Ben is Sun's and Widmore's common enemy.

So Sun is using Kate to get to Ben. Sun knows (either on her own, or from Widmore) that Ben is likely trying to get Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid rounded up. Kate's the easiest one for her to arrange to meet with, and Kate's the most likely one to trust Sun.

So for Sun, Kate is a means to an end.

We already know how vicious Widmore can be. When he was younger, he was going to cut off Juliet's hand just to show how serious he was. Perhaps after being approached as he was by Sun, he felt he had to show her he means business and to be certain that Sun's interests and his were the same, he has Ji Yeon kidnapped. He may not have even told Sun. He could have told her that Ben Linus did it and she believes him because Ben had been kidnapping children the whole time they were on the island. Perhaps that is even something Ben has been dropping hints about to make her become scared enough to return to a hard to find island.

But whether he did tell Sun or not, he could be using that situation to get Sun to kill Ben.

As to the picture:
1) Any way the Lost writers handled it would have raised questions: if she hadn't shown a picture at all, if the picture hadn't matched up with the later-cast actress, etc., folks here would be asking "why?"
and/or
2) Sun doesn't carry a recent picture of Ji Yeon because she knows it's a dangerous world in general for her daughter. She's not worried about Kate in particular.

or

3) Someone has already put in her mind that she should be concerned about her child being kidnapped. So she never carries a picture of Ji Yeon as she looks today.

:yes: EXACTLY!