With all the time travelling going on, it made me wonder about Adam and Eve in the cave from season one.

There is the real possibility now that characters we know in the show end up being the skeletons in the cave.

Any suggestions who? or what happens to result in person x and y ending up there? dare i say it... jack and kate? through whatever storyline that now could be possible?

With all the time travelling going on, it made me wonder about Adam and Eve in the cave from season one.

There is the real possibility now that characters we know in the show end up being the skeletons in the cave.

Any suggestions who? or what happens to result in person x and y ending up there? dare i say it... jack and kate? through whatever storyline that now could be possible?
This was something I immediately thought of last night, as well, though I can't imagine a scenario in which Jack and Kate would find themselves. You never know, though.

The skeletons would indicate that the people died in the Losties' original timeline though, so since the Losties were all alive then, it couldn't be them.

I'm not sure why, but I'm thinking Charlotte and Faraday. It could be anyone really, not enough info yet but thats my call.

The skeletons would indicate that the people died in the Losties' original timeline though, so since the Losties were all alive then, it couldn't be them.

Maybe, but how do we know that the time line we saw was the "original" one...
just a thought
squid

I lean towards Rose and Bernard, why because it makes them more relevant to the story.

I hope that the skeletons are Desmond & Penny. Ben vows to kill Penny. Widmore hides her the only place he can to ensure her safety...in time. Maybe something goes way wrong (what are the odds?) and they end up waaaaaay back in time. Maybe they're the first two people on the island. Maybe they help build the temple. Maybe all the hostiles are descendants of Des & Penny. Maybe when traveling back in time, Desmond loses a toe and the people make a really big statue of him in his honor.

Fingers crossed.

i guess we wont find out till we see someone other then jack in possession of the black and white stones

I'm not sure why, but I'm thinking Charlotte and Faraday. It could be anyone really, not enough info yet but thats my call.

I don't think that Danny's "mom" would allow it.

Maybe when traveling back in time, Desmond loses a toe and the people make a really big statue of him in his honor.



haha. Sounds like a LOT of wishful thinking, but I'm with you! ;)

Desmond/Penny and Charlotte/Faraday don't ring true to me as they don't seem to have been established in the Pilot. Call me crazy but there are some plot elements that they've obviously made up along the way (Abrams acknowledges they've gone in some unanticipated directions) and some new characters have been catapulted to new prominence (see Ben Linus, the elevation of Ben is one of the greatest decisions along the way they could have made)

Adam and Eve seems to have been a concept that has been around since the beginning of the show. Therefore, I don't feel like it could be one of the couple that cropped up in later seasons, as I have a hard time believing that they anticpated those characters that early in the process.

Maybe the concept for A&E has evolved over time and the new folk could be the new choices, but I kind of think something from the first season is more likely. When did Sun's pregnancy become apparent again? That was first season I think? Aaron/Ji is a fun thought, obviously Jack/Kate or Rose/Bernard are also interesting too. I wouldn't mind seeing the relevance of R/B through this, but who knows.

Desmond/Penny and Charlotte/Faraday don't ring true to me as they don't seem to have been established in the Pilot. Call me crazy but there are some plot elements that they've obviously made up along the way (Abrams acknowledges they've gone in some unanticipated directions) and some new characters have been catapulted to new prominence (see Ben Linus, the elevation of Ben is one of the greatest decisions along the way they could have made)

Adam and Eve seems to have been a concept that has been around since the beginning of the show. Therefore, I don't feel like it could be one of the couple that cropped up in later seasons, as I have a hard time believing that they anticpated those characters that early in the process.

Maybe the concept for A&E has evolved over time and the new folk could be the new choices, but I kind of think something from the first season is more likely. When did Sun's pregnancy become apparent again? That was first season I think? Aaron/Ji is a fun thought, obviously Jack/Kate or Rose/Bernard are also interesting too. I wouldn't mind seeing the relevance of R/B through this, but who knows.

It can still be Desmond/Penny. They was introduced in Session 1. Desmond was also in one of Jack's early flashbacks.

TPTB have said that their time travel wouldn't involve any paradoxes and, while that is almost impossible to avoid entirely, I would think this would rule out at least Jack and Kate, since looking at your own rotting corpse seems to be a pretty obvious paradox. I don't think it would be Rose and Bernard or Desmond/Penny either since the corpses were laid out on opposite sides of the cave. I would think that if it was a romantic couple they would have been laid out side by side. Just MHO.

Maybe, but how do we know that the time line we saw was the "original" one...
just a thought
squid


Hey squid,:biggrin:

Well, since we've already been given the "rundown" on Adam and Eve and the Jack/Kate similarities, it is still entirely possible and probable that they are Jack and Kate. I mean, if we are supposed to believe in everything we saw last night in two hours, then no one can just dismiss this at all either! :biggrin: And I'm not going to argue this point, I'm just sayin'...................

TPTB have said that their time travel wouldn't involve any paradoxes and, while that is almost impossible to avoid entirely, I would think this would rule out at least Jack and Kate, since looking at your own rotting corpse seems to be a pretty obvious paradox. I don't think it would be Rose and Bernard or Desmond/Penny either since the corpses were laid out on opposite sides of the cave. I would think that if it was a romantic couple they would have been laid out side by side. Just MHO.

Those have been my two arguments from the get-go.
I was saying it'd be Aaron and Baby Kwon even before Ji Yeon was born *(imo it went without saying that she'd have a girl). I based that on the idea that the Shephards and Paiks would be on the outs and eventually have to reconcile. I liked the idea of the east/west, yin/yang, dark/light of it all. Still do.

I still say it's Jack and Kate.

I say Aaron & Ji Yeon. It's going to be awesome when we find out - no matter who it is!

TPTB have said that their time travel wouldn't involve any paradoxes and, while that is almost impossible to avoid entirely, I would think this would rule out at least Jack and Kate, since looking at your own rotting corpse seems to be a pretty obvious paradox. I don't think it would be Rose and Bernard or Desmond/Penny either since the corpses were laid out on opposite sides of the cave. I would think that if it was a romantic couple they would have been laid out side by side. Just MHO.
I'm not sure it would constitute a paradox if it were Jack and Kate. Meeting yourself alive would be a paradox, but if you're seeing a skeleton of yourself (without knowing it was you) I don't think that would be a paradox. I mean, you're not exactly interacting with yourself, you know?

Were the skeletons laid on opposite sides of the cage? In my memory, I thought they were lying side by side. LOL SO much to remember!

I don't have an opinion on who Adam and Eve are at this point.

I've been thinking jack/kate since a couple seasons ago. But with what we saw last night, it doesn't seem like their are 2 of you when you pass through time, so that would contradict jack/kate, or anybody else that is alive now. However TPTB said from the beggining that they were put there to show that they knew all along where they were going with the show, so it does seem to point to some one we knew from the very beginning, maybe even the first episode.

If the Adam and Eve questioned is never answered how P-O would everyone be? To me it is not a big deal. I am more curious about the four toe statue and the black smoke among other things.

TPTB have said that their time travel wouldn't involve any paradoxes and, while that is almost impossible to avoid entirely, I would think this would rule out at least Jack and Kate, since looking at your own rotting corpse seems to be a pretty obvious paradox. I don't think it would be Rose and Bernard or Desmond/Penny either since the corpses were laid out on opposite sides of the cave. I would think that if it was a romantic couple they would have been laid out side by side. Just MHO.

Daniel at the Orchid dig is a paradox. Given his age on the show (35-40 yo, and the actor is 39) and the fact that the DI started digging in the mid 70s, we know that at the time Chang bumped into Daniel on the island, there was a child Faraday growing up outside the island somewhere.

Just having two versions of yourself coexisting at the same time is a pardox in and of itself. They don't have to meet for the paradox to happen. It happens by the mere existance of 30 something Daniel in the 1970s.

The same applies for all the characters skipping through time now that were at the Swan hatch. Another version of themsleves was out in the real world doing the things that eventually lead them to board O815.

So, paradox doesn't rule out Jack and Kate in the caves.I think they might be, and Jack did take those black and white stones with him (for whatever reason). That said, I like the idea of Aaron and Yi Jeon, although it makes me sad, for some reason. And it might be harder to execute in the amount of episodes they have left.

I know that as far as 512

Aaron and Yi Jeon are still kids, so that makes the amount of available episodes to explore that storyline quite limited

Both kids need to grow up and become adults, they need to meet and then they need to travel to the past a few years before 2004, so that their bodies will decompose to the point where Jack and Kate found them. they can all make that happen physically easy enough, but the motivations for Aaron and Yi Jeon to do that and the set up will definitely take longer.

I have always felt that the Adam and Eve skeletons are Jack and Kate. Locke thought that one of them could be male, and Jack thought it was female. Kate is pretty slender, and if she never has children - her skeleton would not be as obviously female.

I always felt that Kate's reaction (while quite understandable) might be one of having dual meanings... both being creeped out by a dead human and perhaps by an intuitive feeling that something is REALLY not right.

I have a feeling that we won't know who they are until the last episode or two.

If the Adam and Eve questioned is never answered how P-O would everyone be? To me it is not a big deal. I am more curious about the four toe statue and the black smoke among other things.

Haha, yeah. For me, Adam and Eve is one of the oldest, most interesting mysteries. I would definitely be unhappy if we never found out their identity, whereas I'm not chomping at the bit to learn more about the four-toed statue. But I'm optimistic we'll at least learn what's up with these bigger mysteries like Smokey, the four-toed statue and Adam and Eve.

Desmond/Penny and Charlotte/Faraday don't ring true to me as they don't seem to have been established in the Pilot. Call me crazy but there are some plot elements that they've obviously made up along the way (Abrams acknowledges they've gone in some unanticipated directions) and some new characters have been catapulted to new prominence (see Ben Linus, the elevation of Ben is one of the greatest decisions along the way they could have made)

Adam and Eve seems to have been a concept that has been around since the beginning of the show. Therefore, I don't feel like it could be one of the couple that cropped up in later seasons, as I have a hard time believing that they anticpated those characters that early in the process.

Right, I also think it's going to end up being characters who have been around since we first saw Adam and Eve. I thought they were going to be Des/Penny for a long while, what with Desmond's time traveling and all, but Desmond wasn't introduced until S2, and Penny didn't come along until the tail end of S2, I believe. And now that everyone can time travel, it makes it less likely that it'll be Desmond, in my opinion.

If I had to guess, I would say Adam and Eve are Jack and Kate. The fact that Jack took the black and white stones and put them in his pocket would be the reason the male skeleton had them too. And Kate's line about not wanting to be Eve was suspicious to me. The show is about redemption, and while at the time Kate didn't want to be Eve and dig in, it could illustrate her character growth if she ended up staying on the island as Eve at the end of the show.

Aaron and Ji Yeon are an interesting theory as well. But since we didn't learn that Sun was pregnant until well into S2, I'm less convinced it's them. Rose and Bernard are always a possibility though too.

Just having two versions of yourself coexisting at the same time is a pardox in and of itself.

That's not a paradox. That's like saying that time travel in itself is a paradox, because obviously there will be two versions of you if you move back in time within the timeline that you've lived.

A paradox would be going back in time and doing something that is not taking effect in the future, for instance killing yourself when you were a baby. And this can't happen, as Daniel explained at the hatch.

Sorry if my english is bad.

Daniel at the Orchid dig is a paradox. Given his age on the show (35-40 yo, and the actor is 39) and the fact that the DI started digging in the mid 70s, we know that at the time Chang bumped into Daniel on the island, there was a child Faraday growing up outside the island somewhere.

Just having two versions of yourself coexisting at the same time is a pardox in and of itself. They don't have to meet for the paradox to happen. It happens by the mere existance of 30 something Daniel in the 1970s.

The same applies for all the characters skipping through time now that were at the Swan hatch. Another version of themsleves was out in the real world doing the things that eventually lead them to board O815.

So, paradox doesn't rule out Jack and Kate in the caves.I think they might be, and Jack did take those black and white stones with him (for whatever reason). That said, I like the idea of Aaron and Yi Jeon, although it makes me sad, for some reason. And it might be harder to execute in the amount of episodes they have left.

I know that as far as 512

Aaron and Yi Jeon are still kids, so that makes the amount of available episodes to explore that storyline quite limited

Both kids need to grow up and become adults, they need to meet and then they need to travel to the past a few years before 2004, so that their bodies will decompose to the point where Jack and Kate found them. they can all make that happen physically easy enough, but the motivations for Aaron and Yi Jeon to do that and the set up will definitely take longer.

You're sooooo smart!! I just wuv you!!:biggrin:

I hope that the skeletons are Desmond & Penny. Ben vows to kill Penny. Widmore hides her the only place he can to ensure her safety...in time. Maybe something goes way wrong (what are the odds?) and they end up waaaaaay back in time. Maybe they're the first two people on the island. Maybe they help build the temple. Maybe all the hostiles are descendants of Des & Penny. Maybe when traveling back in time, Desmond loses a toe and the people make a really big statue of him in his honor.

Fingers crossed.

You just made something click for me talking about Desmond losing a toe as a way of explaining the statue. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Sawyer just impale his big toe on a stick last night? Who wants to bet it gets infected and they amputate it...then they flash to a time far in the past where there are only the indigenous people. Sawyer does something awe inspiring and thus the four toed statue is built.

Edit: A poster named Ikonn beat me to this by about an hour in another thread.

You just made something click for me talking about Desmond losing a toe as a way of explaining the statue. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Sawyer just impale his big toe on a stick last night? Who wants to bet it gets infected and they amputate it...then they flash to a time far in the past where there are only the indigenous people. Sawyer does something awe inspiring and thus the four toed statue is built.

There's been speculation about this. But the statue has a big toe.

It would still be very cool if it happened!

i vote kate and sawyer

That's not a paradox. That's like saying that time travel in itself is a paradox, because obviously there will be two versions of you if you move back in time within the timeline that you've lived.

A paradox would be going back in time and doing something that is not taking effect in the future, for instance killing yourself when you were a baby. And this can't happen, as Daniel explained at the hatch.

Sorry if my english is bad.

Your English is not bad at all, but two versions of you is still a paradox ;). From Merriam-Webster's online dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Paradox):

PARADOX:

1: a tenet contrary to received opinion
2 a: a statement that is seemingly contradictory or opposed to common sense and yet is perhaps true b: a self-contradictory statement that at first seems true c: an argument that apparently derives self-contradictory conclusions by valid deduction from acceptable premises
3: one (as a person, situation, or action) having seemingly contradictory qualities or phases

That you are both, a child and an adult in at the same time but in two geographical locations is a contradiction, in the world as we know it. And it is opposed to common sense.

What happens is that in the sci-fi genre, people only explore the consequences of having these two versions of the same person meeting, and that has influenced how people think about a paradox. It's like people using the word "Kleenex" to refer to tissues, even if they are from another brand.

But using the definition of paradox, two versions of you at different ages in the same timeline is still a paradox.

Here's one that I didn't see in this thread, Ben and Annie. Reunited after all these years. Her fate is still unknown.

The other option.... we do have a corpse on ice headed back to the island, and since he's "special" perhaps he deserves a place of honor such as the caves. Since he was into backgammon and the whole two sides thing, perhaps he has the stones with him. Jack probably didn't have them with him when he took off on the chopper.
Not sure about Eve.

If it wasn't for sure a male and a female, then I'd suggest it was the Man of Faith and the Man of Science, John and Jack.

I'm leaning towards John being one of them.

I have always felt that the Adam and Eve skeletons are Jack and Kate. Locke thought that one of them could be male, and Jack thought it was female. Kate is pretty slender, and if she never has children - her skeleton would not be as obviously female.

I always felt that Kate's reaction (while quite understandable) might be one of having dual meanings... both being creeped out by a dead human and perhaps by an intuitive feeling that something is REALLY not right.

I have a feeling that we won't know who they are until the last episode or two.

They'd be able to tell, regardless of if she ever has kids. There are anatomical differences in pelvis size, etc. Plus, her smaller frame alone would be enough to argue for female.

That said, I do agree that it'll be one of the very last things we find out -- and I think it's going to be heartbreaking, no matter who it is.

Haha, yeah. For me, Adam and Eve is one of the oldest, most interesting mysteries. I would definitely be unhappy if we never found out their identity, whereas I'm not chomping at the bit to learn more about the four-toed statue. But I'm optimistic we'll at least learn what's up with these bigger mysteries like Smokey, the four-toed statue and Adam and Eve.
.

Yes, Adam and Eve was very intriguing, however, I think that it may have been one of those storyline from the beginning that was not thought out and does not tie in with anything now. I hope all of our questions are answered I still want to know why Smokey took my Eko away! I think Adam and Eve are one of the Natives or some of Danielle crew. Does anyone know how old the bones were supposed to be?

Yes, Adam and Eve was very intriguing, however, I think that it may have been one of those storyline from the beginning that was not thought out and does not tie in with anything now. I hope all of our questions are answered I still want to know why Smokey took my Eko away! I think Adam and Eve are one of the Natives or some of Danielle crew. Does anyone know how old the bones were supposed to be?

In 2004, Jack said they were at least 40-50 years old based on the deterioration of the clothes. So that would put their death around 1950-1960, if not earlier. But now that everyone is time traveling, Adam and Eve could potentially be anyone on the show.

My money is on Des and Penny, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's Jack and Kate, either.

First, strictly in terms of time travel, two versions of a person existing simultaneously is NOT a paradox. The only definition of a paradox applicable to time travel is the creation of a situation in which EFFECT precedes CAUSE in such a way that prevents the CAUSE from happening.

The example most often given (and even restated in this thread) is the "killing your younger self" story. LOST has already established that it exists in a universe where such an event is impossible, because "it can't happen because it didn't happen."

Just as the Island would not let Michael kill himself because he still had work to do, it will not allow someone to perform an action while time traveling that would alter the future. Now, here is the one caveat to all this:

DESMOND is an exception to this rule.

THAT is why it was important that Mrs. Hawking convince him not to propose to Penny in "Flashes Before Your Eyes." If the rules applied to Desmond, she wouldn't have had to do anything, because Desmond wouldn't have been able to alter the future no matter how much he wanted to. But if he had changed the future, he would have created a world in which an EFFECT prevented a CAUSE, and potentially unraveled the fabric of the space-time continuum.

Back on topic, I think Adam and Eve are Bernard and Rose.

How about Charlie and Claire, they are just mostly dead.

Aaron and Ji Yeon.

Adam and Eve seems to have been a concept that has been around since the beginning of the show. Therefore, I don't feel like it could be one of the couple that cropped up in later seasons, as I have a hard time believing that they anticpated those characters that early in the process.


Then again, (correct me if I am wrong) Michael Emerson was not supposed to be the leader of the others until TPTB saw what a great job he was doing. Then again, Jack was supposed to be killed in the pilot episode. Who knows what TPTB are making up on the fly anymore.

With all the time travelling going on, it made me wonder about Adam and Eve in the cave from season one.

There is the real possibility now that characters we know in the show end up being the skeletons in the cave.

Any suggestions who? or what happens to result in person x and y ending up there? dare i say it... jack and kate? through whatever storyline that now could be possible?

It seemed apparent to me way back in Season One that they would end up being our people, most likely Jack and Kate. I just had no idea how that was gonna happen.

"Then again, (correct me if I am wrong) Michael Emerson was not supposed to be the leader of the others until TPTB saw what a great job he was doing."

On EW.com, Doc Jensen has an interview with Darlton and they talk about their decision to make Ben the leader. They explain that there was always going to be a leader of the Others; they just didn't know if it would actually be Ben. If he Emerson did a bad job, it would just turn out that he was a lackey for the leader and then we would meet the leader at the end of the season when Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley were kidnapped. I don't think this is an example of the writers making it up as they go along.

And the "Jack was supposed to die" thing is sooo old. Sorry, if I seem jaded, but we've had to explain this one so many times, it gets tiring.

The very first script had Jack dying at the end because Damon and JJ though it would be really surprising and original, they thought it would shock audiences and everyone would go WTF?!!! Because they would have killed the apparent hero. Then Kate was supposed to take over and become the central hero of the show. In the season 1 DVD there's an extra where they show the writers' room and there's s sketch with the word "HERO" circled and at the center of the page. From this circled word there are arrows pointing to different directions. And the writers have said they always intended to have this central role.

They had decided to cast Michael Keaton to play the part of Jack when he was still supposed to die in The Pilot. As a movie actor, Keaton is more expensive than your regular TV actor, but since he was only going to be hired for two hours of show, they could afford it. However, when Damon and JJ pitched the pilot to ABC, the executives told them that they loved it but that they couldn't kill Jack because while it would be surprising, shocking and WTF! The audience could really be turned off. They said something like "you can't ask people to commit to this guy for two hours and then take him away".

Given that ABC gets tons of audience research and they were apparently very convincing in their argument, Damon and JJ decided that Jack would stay and that he should take the central hero role they had planned for someone else. And that's when they started to cast for the part, and scrapped the Michael Keaton idea. Keaton would have been too expensive for the duration of the show.

Then they auditioned Foxy (the scene where he remembers the "angel hair pasta" surgery and counts to 5) and the rest is history!

With all the time travelling going on, it made me wonder about Adam and Eve in the cave from season one.

There is the real possibility now that characters we know in the show end up being the skeletons in the cave.

Any suggestions who? or what happens to result in person x and y ending up there? dare i say it... jack and kate? through whatever storyline that now could be possible?

I think there is strong evidence that Jack and Kate are Adam and Eve despite my ship prefrence. They both were the ones to find the skeletons and if you go back like many of us have on the Jater Couch on the Fuse, their are way too many similarities between Jack and Kate and Adam and Eve for it to be anyone else.


Adam and Eve seems to have been a concept that has been around since the beginning of the show. Therefore, I don't feel like it could be one of the couple that cropped up in later seasons, as I have a hard time believing that they anticpated those characters that early in the process.

Maybe the concept for A&E has evolved over time and the new folk could be the new choices, but I kind of think something from the first season is more likely. When did Sun's pregnancy become apparent again? That was first season I think? Aaron/Ji is a fun thought, obviously Jack/Kate or Rose/Bernard are also interesting too. I wouldn't mind seeing the relevance of R/B through this, but who knows.

I agree. Adam and Eve were created in the very begining of the show as part of its Mythology which is another reason I believe it is Jack and Kate. Jack and Kate have always somehow tied into the mythology anyways in other aspects of the show so it would make perfect sense to me.

Hey squid,:biggrin:

Well, since we've already been given the "rundown" on Adam and Eve and the Jack/Kate similarities, it is still entirely possible and probable that they are Jack and Kate. I mean, if we are supposed to believe in everything we saw last night in two hours, then no one can just dismiss this at all either! :biggrin: And I'm not going to argue this point, I'm just sayin'...................

I agree Doc.

I still say it's Jack and Kate.

Me too Bella. Jack and Kate for me are the only two that would make sense.

I'm not sure it would constitute a paradox if it were Jack and Kate. Meeting yourself alive would be a paradox, but if you're seeing a skeleton of yourself (without knowing it was you) I don't think that would be a paradox. I mean, you're not exactly interacting with yourself, you know?

Were the skeletons laid on opposite sides of the cage? In my memory, I thought they were lying side by side. LOL SO much to remember!



Thank you. I agree.


Daniel at the Orchid dig is a paradox. Given his age on the show (35-40 yo, and the actor is 39) and the fact that the DI started digging in the mid 70s, we know that at the time Chang bumped into Daniel on the island, there was a child Faraday growing up outside the island somewhere.

Just having two versions of yourself coexisting at the same time is a pardox in and of itself. They don't have to meet for the paradox to happen. It happens by the mere existance of 30 something Daniel in the 1970s.

The same applies for all the characters skipping through time now that were at the Swan hatch. Another version of themsleves was out in the real world doing the things that eventually lead them to board O815.

So, paradox doesn't rule out Jack and Kate in the caves.I think they might be, and Jack did take those black and white stones with him (for whatever reason). That said, I like the idea of Aaron and Yi Jeon, although it makes me sad, for some reason. And it might be harder to execute in the amount of episodes they have left.

I know that as far as 512

Aaron and Yi Jeon are still kids, so that makes the amount of available episodes to explore that storyline quite limited

Both kids need to grow up and become adults, they need to meet and then they need to travel to the past a few years before 2004, so that their bodies will decompose to the point where Jack and Kate found them. they can all make that happen physically easy enough, but the motivations for Aaron and Yi Jeon to do that and the set up will definitely take longer.

I agree CL especially with the part I bolded.

I have always felt that the Adam and Eve skeletons are Jack and Kate. Locke thought that one of them could be male, and Jack thought it was female. Kate is pretty slender, and if she never has children - her skeleton would not be as obviously female.

I always felt that Kate's reaction (while quite understandable) might be one of having dual meanings... both being creeped out by a dead human and perhaps by an intuitive feeling that something is REALLY not right.

I have a feeling that we won't know who they are until the last episode or two.

That is another reason why I always thought the skeletons were Jack and Kate also. Good points. :)

Haha, yeah. For me, Adam and Eve is one of the oldest, most interesting mysteries. I would definitely be unhappy if we never found out their identity, whereas I'm not chomping at the bit to learn more about the four-toed statue. But I'm optimistic we'll at least learn what's up with these bigger mysteries like Smokey, the four-toed statue and Adam and Eve.



Right, I also think it's going to end up being characters who have been around since we first saw Adam and Eve. I thought they were going to be Des/Penny for a long while, what with Desmond's time traveling and all, but Desmond wasn't introduced until S2, and Penny didn't come along until the tail end of S2, I believe. And now that everyone can time travel, it makes it less likely that it'll be Desmond, in my opinion.

If I had to guess, I would say Adam and Eve are Jack and Kate. The fact that Jack took the black and white stones and put them in his pocket would be the reason the male skeleton had them too. And Kate's line about not wanting to be Eve was suspicious to me. The show is about redemption, and while at the time Kate didn't want to be Eve and dig in, it could illustrate her character growth if she ended up staying on the island as Eve at the end of the show.

Aaron and Ji Yeon are an interesting theory as well. But since we didn't learn that Sun was pregnant until well into S2, I'm less convinced it's them. Rose and Bernard are always a possibility though too.

I agree with all your points but especially with what I bolded. TPTB could easily explain Jack and Kate as Adam and Eve too.

They'd be able to tell, regardless of if she ever has kids. There are anatomical differences in pelvis size, etc. Plus, her smaller frame alone would be enough to argue for female.

That said, I do agree that it'll be one of the very last things we find out -- and I think it's going to be heartbreaking, no matter who it is.

No matter who it is I am sure it will be heart breaking. I agree.

My money is on Des and Penny, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's Jack and Kate, either.

Des and Penny have a different purpose in my opinion over the war with Ben and Charles Wildimore so I see their final conclusion to be something more off island. Jack and Kate have really been the male and female leaders of the losties from the very begining and have been identified as one of the main couples of Lost in the romantic sense and the leader/friendship sense.They just fit to me as Adam and Eve.

It seemed apparent to me way back in Season One that they would end up being our people, most likely Jack and Kate. I just had no idea how that was gonna happen.

Yup. I always thought it would be really cool too if Jack and Kate found their dead bodies and didn't know it at the time. I imagine a scene like the one we had at the pilot where Jack opens his eye in the series finale but at the end he is next to Kate (his Eve).

Desmond and Penny are Adam and Eve ;)

It could be any of the possibilities mentioned, but I think it's Jack and Kate along with everyone else. I also thought about Henry Gale, and that maybe Adam and Eve could be a couple who came to the island like that. Or it could be part of Danielle's crew. Just trying to think out of the box, does it have to be a romantic couple? Is there any reason to believe it could be Jack and Claire? Probably not.

At some point I'm hoping one of the other characters is going to catch on about Miles' ability, and maybe they will think to ask him about Adam and Eve, and to just go over to the cave and ask them who they are.

At some point I'm hoping one of the other characters is going to catch on about Miles' ability, and maybe they will think to ask him about Adam and Eve, and to just go over to the cave and ask them who they are.:laughing: I would LOVE to see that scene!

At some point I'm hoping one of the other characters is going to catch on about Miles' ability, and maybe they will think to ask him about Adam and Eve, and to just go over to the cave and ask them who they are.


:biggrin:Naw, that would be waay to simple for this show.:biggrin:


I think it's the Degroots (Spelling?)

Yeah, it could be the degroots. I go back and forth as to whether it will be someone obvious, or whether they will throw a big curveball with this one. It's like the coffin. So many people thought it was Locke, and so many thought it was Michael. I thought it would be Michael, but in the end Locke seems obvious.

My theory on Adam and Eve is that they were two of our present day characters who sacrificed themselves to save the rest by going back in time somehow. Now that physical time travel to the past is possible, I have a small chance of being right! :biggrin:

But what I want from Adam and Eve are two characters who are committed to each other and committed to saving the other Losties. I really want their deaths to mean something.

That said, my favorite parings for Adam and Eve (in personal order of likelyhood):

1) Jack and Kate - they found the skeletons, and it would be such a tidy story telling circle ("Loop dude. Loop.") for them to BE the skeletons. Difficulty - at the moment, they are neither on the island nor caught in the time skipping effect.

2) Bernard and Rose - Rose can't ever leave the island, and Bernard has sworn to stay with her. Bernard has gone in for the heroics in the past; I can easily see him setting off on a desperate last-chance kind of mission only for Rose to insist on going with him. They die, and out of respect, the remaining Losties move them to the caves. Advantage - They are part of the time-skipping crew right now.

3) Jack and Juliette - I think it would be beautifully tragic that the two who most want to get off the island would sacrifice themselves to save the others. Jack has had his taste of life back home, and when Ben said that Jack would never be coming back, Jack said "Good." He's ready to do whatever it takes to save his friends. And in "There's No Place Like Home," Juliette promises Jack that she will not leave until everyone is off the island. This line could easily be foreshadowing. Plus, Juliette has that "suicide to be with the one you love" thing going on with her name. Advantage - Juliette is time skipping. Difficulty - Jack isn't.

4) Desmond and Penny - Before "There's No Place Like Home," I was convinced Desmond and Penny would not reunite until the end of the series. But now it seems like Desmond is going to go looking for the island, and I doubt Penny will let him go alone. Disadvantage - Same as Kate and Jack - they are neither on the island nor time-skipping.

5) Dan and Charlotte - I think with her knowledge of ancient societies, and his knowledge of time travel, Dan and Charlotte would be really interesting candidates for Adam and Eve. In "There's No Place Like Home," we learn that Charlotte may have been born on the island. Plus, I had the odd idea that Dan could be Penny and Desmond's son, born on the island in the past (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=2065786&postcount=2).Advantage - they're time skipping. Disadvantage - Charlotte is having some time sickness, which means she might not be around to die with Dan later.

I've been thinking jack/kate since a couple seasons ago. But with what we saw last night, it doesn't seem like their are 2 of you when you pass through time, so that would contradict jack/kate, or anybody else that is alive now. However TPTB said from the beggining that they were put there to show that they knew all along where they were going with the show, so it does seem to point to some one we knew from the very beginning, maybe even the first episode.

From what the show showed us, there ARE two versions of people. That's the only way Frogurt could die. . .that's what Daniel explained with the street. . .that's how Locke could meet Ethan at a time when another Locke was elsewhere. . . .

I was thinking that too, I don't know if that would fit with the timeline. I lean towards it being rose and bernard.

Those have been my two arguments from the get-go.
I was saying it'd be Aaron and Baby Kwon even before Ji Yeon was born *(imo it went without saying that she'd have a girl). I based that on the idea that the Shephards and Paiks would be on the outs and eventually have to reconcile. I liked the idea of the east/west, yin/yang, dark/light of it all. Still do.

Funny I was gonna say Aaron & Ji Yeon as kind of a joke, but reading your take it seems as plausible as anything else.

I hope that the skeletons are Desmond & Penny. Ben vows to kill Penny. Widmore hides her the only place he can to ensure her safety...in time. Maybe something goes way wrong (what are the odds?) and they end up waaaaaay back in time. Maybe they're the first two people on the island. Maybe they help build the temple. Maybe all the hostiles are descendants of Des & Penny. Maybe when traveling back in time, Desmond loses a toe and the people make a really big statue of him in his honor.

Fingers crossed.

Desmond and Penny where the first couple I thought of also...I love this theory.

How is having two Frogurts the only way he could die? I just don't see it. I still want Charlie/Claire but I think it could be one of these couples in order of likelyhood.

1. Sawyer/Juliet
2. Jack/Juliet
3. Jack/Kate
4. Desmond/Penny
.
.
.
.
367. Paulo/Nikki

Desmond/Penny and Charlotte/Faraday don't ring true to me as they don't seem to have been established in the Pilot. Call me crazy but there are some plot elements that they've obviously made up along the way (Abrams acknowledges they've gone in some unanticipated directions) and some new characters have been catapulted to new prominence (see Ben Linus, the elevation of Ben is one of the greatest decisions along the way they could have made)

Just because they appeared after Adam and Eve doesn't mean that it wasn't planned for the beginning. And of course they didn't have all the details and story arcs planned out before hand, they knew the beginning and the end, and all of the important elements along the way, the rest is insignificant for planning.

JJ Abrams is nothing, he stuck around for a little while and ditched, like he does often, Damon and Carlton are the A-team, i wouldn't hold a thing he says about the show as gospel, he's out of the loop. Damon even said that he hardly sees him in an interview i read.

And you're absolutely incorrect about Ben's elevation, their was always going to be a Benjamin Linus - Leader of the others, the choice to make Henry Gale's impersonator the leader of the others was a direct result of Michael Emerson's talent, but it didn't change the fact that their was going to be a leader of the others who communicated with Jacob and seemed to know a lot about everything.

Just because they appeared after Adam and Eve doesn't mean that it wasn't planned for the beginning. And of course they didn't have all the details and story arcs planned out before hand, they knew the beginning and the end, and all of the important elements along the way, the rest is insignificant for planning.

JJ Abrams is nothing, he stuck around for a little while and ditched, like he does often, Damon and Carlton are the A-team, i wouldn't hold a thing he says about the show as gospel, he's out of the loop. Damon even said that he hardly sees him in an interview i read.

And you're absolutely incorrect about Ben's elevation, their was always going to be a Benjamin Linus - Leader of the others, the choice to make Henry Gale's impersonator the leader of the others was a direct result of Michael Emerson's talent, but it didn't change the fact that their was going to be a leader of the others who communicated with Jacob and seemed to know a lot about everything.

Just to throw my crappy two cents in,he never said that the leader of the Others was never going to be introduced. He just pointed out that the specific character and actor were only hired for three episodes(I think). There have been choices(Nikki & Paulo) that have been made mid-season because of fan or ratings response. We won't see as much of that in these last two seasons for sure because Damon & Carlton now have a much clearer idea where to go.

Now, I don't agree that Adam & Eve have to be characters from the pilot like the other guy but I just wanted to point out that they could be. No one ever thought the Final Cylon could be who it is but it is. We could be very surprised and disappointed by Adam & Eve's identities in this show.

We'll see, I guess is my point. Not very insightful but I love the sound of my own typing. :rolleyes:

What if we find out that Adam and Eve, really are THE Adam and Eve! Then all the sticking out your tongue and arguing will have been completely wasted. Now, I realize that they are NOT the Adam and Eve ---- HOWEVER, this is LOST and just as some other questionable things have been explained away, I'm sure the clothes on them, etc., etc., could be explained too! I am still of the personal opinion that they are Jack and Kate. But we will probably find out in the end that they are just Joe Shmoe and the Mrs. and have no real relevance whatsoever!:p

weren't they wearing Dharma suits? Correct me if I'm wrong.

If they were...could it be Ben and Annie?

It's Saywer and Penny :D she falls for him soon

How is having two Frogurts the only way he could die? I just don't see it.


If Frogurt died in the past, that doesn't change the fact that Frogurt got on 815. That's what I meant. If he traveled backward only 5 years, there would be "our" Frogurt and, existing elsewhere, a "5 years younger" Frogurt.

Those have been my two arguments from the get-go.
I was saying it'd be Aaron and Baby Kwon even before Ji Yeon was born *(imo it went without saying that she'd have a girl). I based that on the idea that the Shephards and Paiks would be on the outs and eventually have to reconcile. I liked the idea of the east/west, yin/yang, dark/light of it all. Still do.

That's a really interesting theory. Hadn't thought of that. Especially since we know
we will be seeing Aaron and Ji Yeon 20 years in the future

How about Hawking and Brother Campbell? The brains behind the operation...