We see Jack come to the rescue of Sayid, but how does he still have a job let alone that free reign. This is the time period where he has the drug problems, the chief knows this and tells him to take time off. So he has been off pills for a couple hours and can go back to the hospital and run tests in private rooms? I'm all for Jack saving Sayid, but think it would have been better if he did it at Hurley's parents house, or some where else. Sorry to nit pick but you guys have made me this way :) Thoughts!!1

We see Jack come to the rescue of Sayid, but how does he still have a job let alone that free reign. This is the time period where he has the drug problems, the chief knows this and tells him to take time off. So he has been off pills for a couple hours and can go back to the hospital and run tests in private rooms? I'm all for Jack saving Sayid, but think it would have been better if he did it at Hurley's parents house, or some where else. Sorry to nit pick but you guys have made me this way :) Thoughts!!1

I think Jack was just using the hospital for the tools it offers to help him save Sayid - kind of the same way Ben was using the vet's office last season. I think Jack probably either snuck Sayid in or maybe a buddy snuck them in. I don't think he still has a "job" - as you said, last we heard he was supposed to be on forced leave.

I don't think he works at the hospital anymore. I think he snuck Sayid in and helped him. If he was still employed with the hospital, there would have been an awful lot of others in the room with them helping out.

He couldn't do what needed to be done at Hurley's house because he needed certain medications to help reverse the effects of the sedative that he was given.

Yeah I thought this situation was pretty improbable too, but I let it slide
suspension of disbelief and all

I don't think he works at the hospital anymore. I think he snuck Sayid in and helped him. If he was still employed with the hospital, there would have been an awful lot of others in the room with them helping out.

He couldn't do what needed to be done at Hurley's house because he needed certain medications to help reverse the effects of the sedative that he was given.

Yeah, I agree.

Yeah this part cracked me up!

Consider the scene... a previously/still? drugged out Dr. Jack walks in to the hospital with some dude passed out over his shoulder.

Admitting Nurse: "Can I help you Doctor?"
Jack: "No thanks, I've got it"
Nurse: "All is well"

There's NO WAY that happens!! Oh well, Lost rules, so all is forgiven.

I don't think he works at the hospital anymore. I think he snuck Sayid in and helped him. If he was still employed with the hospital, there would have been an awful lot of others in the room with them helping out.

He couldn't do what needed to be done at Hurley's house because he needed certain medications to help reverse the effects of the sedative that he was given.

If we agree he doesn't work at the hospital anymore, can't we agree that know way he is sneaking someone in unnoticed, happens to have the medicine he needs in the same small room, all this with the door open and no one wondering why? It just seemed far fetched in a show that usually covers the bases. (I know a lot of the show is far fetched, please don't comment on that:) just talking about the stuff that can be realistic.)

If we agree he doesn't work at the hospital anymore, can't we agree that know way he is sneaking someone in unnoticed, happens to have the medicine he needs in the same small room, all this with the door open and no one wondering why? It just seemed far fetched in a show that usually covers the bases. (I know a lot of the show is far fetched, please don't comment on that:) just talking about the stuff that can be realistic.)

Oh, I totally agree. It seemed a bit unrealistic that he could sneak him in without anyone wondering. Granted, his forced vacation may not be known by everyone, but you have to figure just about everyone heard of it (after all, that's some darn good gossip!!), and if someone saw him, how could they not have called security on him?

I'm assuming that he took him to a room in the ED, so the medicine that he needs being close at hand......okay, that I can buy. DItto on the EKG and an assortment of other stuff. However, him sitting there with the door wide open and not one person looking in and questioning it? It does seem odd and unrealistic. It wasn't exactly like he was in some small hospital with minimal staff and patients.

I agree that he snuck Sayid in there and that he in fact doesn't actually work there anymore. I think it's unlikely that noone would have seen him, but hey it's a tv show!

If we agree he doesn't work at the hospital anymore, can't we agree that know way he is sneaking someone in unnoticed, happens to have the medicine he needs in the same small room, all this with the door open and no one wondering why? It just seemed far fetched in a show that usually covers the bases. (I know a lot of the show is far fetched, please don't comment on that:) just talking about the stuff that can be realistic.)

I don't know - it's as likely as having a mental patient just basically walking out the front door of the facility with his buddy in the dead of night.

Some folks are assuming Jack has quit or been fired, but we haven't seen that happen.

Jack was still working when he heard about Locke's death and then started to jump off the bridge.
By all appearances, his motel room scene with Ben is no more than a few days after all that. Jack & Ben have just picked up the body and Ben in this episode arranged for refrigerated storage.

So Jack still has his job, or at least hospital privileges, at this point.
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This is the time period where he has the drug problems, the chief knows this and tells him to take time off.
Pretty much that's where they are, yeah. But he hasn't been stripped of his hospital privileges. And it's unlikely the chief of surgery would have made an announcement to the hospital staff. Right now, it's just between him and Jack and he's giving Jack every chance.

Yeah, I'm with lostmio on that one, I think he still has privileges at the hospital, it's just that no one saw them come in, or if they did, Jack waved them away with a line like "I got this".

I also think we need to consider the possibility that the island might be lending a helping hand. If it can stop people from jumping off a bridge, what's stopping it from making people blind to Jack walking in with Sayid on tow?

I don't think he works at the hospital anymore. I think he snuck Sayid in and helped him. If he was still employed with the hospital, there would have been an awful lot of others in the room with them helping out.

He couldn't do what needed to be done at Hurley's house because he needed certain medications to help reverse the effects of the sedative that he was given.

Yeah, I think he simply knew the building well enough that he knew how to sneak in without being caught. Not to mention the fact that he was now clean-shaven and dressed in a suit -- so he was less obviously the drugged/drunk Jack that his colleagues had last seen.

I had to suspend disbelief for that entire scene. If you've ever been to an ER, it's impossible to sneak into a room. Most modern ERs, which this one appears to be, are designed so that each room is visible from a nurses' station. No way could this scene have happened. Plus, medicines don't just lie around like that. Heh.

Oh, and Sayid had a terrific EKG rate and rhythm before the reversal agent was administered.

I've been to the ER more times than I care to remember. Sometimes it's awfully busy, other times it's quiet and deserted. Just depends on the day.

Regarding medicines, though, an ER is the place to go for more relaxed security. In a life or death situation you can't have people sign forms for two milligrams of epinephrine. It makes sense that some supplies are readily available at the treatment rooms. The trick would be getting past the door, but we can assume that Jack did that somehow.

Either because he was still working there and news of his addictions had not made the rounds, or because he knew how to sneak in, or because he wormed his way in by convincing someone, or because the island lend a helping hand and made everyone busy with something else when Jack arrived.

In the end, I don't think it really matters much.

If he doesn't work there anymore they could at least have shown us his Weekend At Bernie's-esque entrance with Sayid propped up by his side.

Maybe no-one recognised him without his beard?

I respect where the OP is coming from with this question, but it did make me smile. I mean, we're all okay with the smoke monster, time travel, and seeing ghosts. But Jack having access to the hospital even though he has a drug problem ruins the realism of the show? :)

I can see them shooting a longer scene where Jack actually rolls Sayid in past nurses and makes an excuse of some sort that explains things, but because of time constraints, those parts got cut in the editing process - the main point was to get Hurley seperated from Sayid so that would set up the Ben/Hurley/Police business and get Jack and Sayid together for the next episode.

Well, has Jack actually lost his medical license or been banned from the hospital? (not that I can recall, but this entire show is becoming a gigantic blur, lol!) All I remember is him being asked to take time off, but its unlikely that the chief issued a mass press-release to every employee of the hospital that "Dr. Shepherd is taking time off for a drug problem!!! Don't let him in the building!!" Its actually pretty hard to get your license revoked... and they don't "fire" doctors, really- all we know is that he was asked to take time off and sort himself out, but its not hard to believe that he could still come into the hospital quietly to help Sayid.

I've been to the ER more times than I care to remember. Sometimes it's awfully busy, other times it's quiet and deserted. Just depends on the day.

Regarding medicines, though, an ER is the place to go for more relaxed security. In a life or death situation you can't have people sign forms for two milligrams of epinephrine. It makes sense that some supplies are readily available at the treatment rooms.


It was probably Narcan. Epinephrine would've been used for heart arrhythmias, whereas Narcan instantly reverses drug overdoses (and Sayid's reaction was very realistic, by the way). Narcan would definitely not just be left sitting around in the trauma rooms at any ER here in the States, but I suspect Jack knew exactly where to get some and had done so by the time he'd gotten Sayid into the room. I also think we need to suspend our disbelief sometimes.

;)

I agree it was silly but I think he is still technically a doctor and still technically might have his job, so I figured he just kind of was casual about it, lol, and no one really fussed. Suspension of disbelief, as others have said.

Well, has Jack actually lost his medical license or been banned from the hospital?
No, not when he treats Sayid. Either is a formal procedure that takes awhile, and there's not been time for that since his discussion with the chief of surgery.
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I had to suspend disbelief for that entire scene. If you've ever been to an ER, it's impossible to sneak into a room. Most modern ERs, which this one appears to be, are designed so that each room is visible from a nurses' station. No way could this scene have happened.


OK I can respond to this. I have a long time (50 years +) friend who's a physician on the board in charge of the ER operations in several regional hospitals, and in addition our own family physician is well-established locally.
Those connections have enabled us (my family) to bypass ER several times over the past couple of decades. They didn't pull ER staff away to serve us. Somewhat like Jack and Sayid, the doctors met us at the hospitals and examined/treated us privately. In all instances, the emergencies were outside their regular office hours. So instead of opening up their offices for us, they said "meet me at the hospital". Twice, they referred us to ER after examination, and those times we simply registered at the ER desks and were put on the regular waiting list. edit to add: and the ER rooms are NOT all visible from the nurses' station, they're private here. In fact, there's no nurses' station at all, only a registration area and the treatment rooms.

Was this scene 100% realistic? No, but when you look at how Sayid ended up there, and everything else that happened in that episode, it was surely one of the *more* realistic scenes of the evening.
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I also think we need to suspend our disbelief sometimes.
;) Yes, starting with Season 1, Episode 1, Scene 1.

I don't know - it's as likely as having a mental patient just basically walking out the front door of the facility with his buddy in the dead of night.


Touche'

Was this scene 100% realistic? No, but when you look at how Sayid ended up there, and everything else that happened in that episode, it was surely one of the *more* realistic scenes of the evening.

I had no problem believing this scene and I'm glad you added a bit more credibility to it. Between his own history at that hospital and his father's legacy, more people probably trust Jack or owe him favors than not. I had no problem thinking that a couple of passing doctors who saw him come in would have been complicit in letting him do what he needed to do.

I had no problem believing this scene and I'm glad you added a bit more credibility to it. Between his own history at that hospital and his father's legacy, more people probably trust Jack or owe him favors than not. I had no problem thinking that a couple of passing doctors who saw him come in would have been complicit in letting him do what he needed to do.

I did not notice, was this "his" hospital. I thought at one time last season we saw him at a private practice/out of hospital office. If he was working at a private practice could he perform operations in more than one hospital? I had surgery last year and was given the option of two hospitals to get the operation. If he went to a different hospital than the one he was told to "take some time off", would they know he was taking time off?

Does "taking time off" mean he lost his license? Does it mean unpaid leave?

Come to think of it... if this was a private surgical practice location then Jack would have had easy access to it. Not that any spinal surgeries are likely performed at one of these, but it would certainly explain how Jack was able to get Sayid in and out without being seen because the place was closed at that time. Facilities such as these would have all that equipment plus medications in a closed system. Possibly Jack had a nurse's id and password to get into the medication system... after all he was stealing narcotics in an earlier episode. I know of people who have done such and eventually got caught.

Plausible?

I did not notice, was this "his" hospital. I thought at one time last season we saw him at a private practice/out of hospital office. If he was working at a private practice could he perform operations in more than one hospital? I had surgery last year and was given the option of two hospitals to get the operation. If he went to a different hospital than the one he was told to "take some time off", would they know he was taking time off?

Does "taking time off" mean he lost his license? Does it mean unpaid leave?

Doctors, and in this case a surgeon, can and often do have privilages at more then one hospital. That is very common and Jack, living in the LA area, may very well have privilages at a few of them.

Jack did not lose his license. Losing your license is a very serious process and would require lawyers, meetings, hearings and what not. As of right now, he still has his license and aside from the hospital gossip mill, the staff in the ER would have no way of knowing that he was on "vacation" to deal with alcohol and drug issues.

Is it paid leave? I have no idea. I don't know if he would use "time" he has saved up or if the hospital would pay him to be nice to him.

I think this goes along with Kate's trial.

Come to think of it... if this was a private surgical practice location then Jack would have had easy access to it. Not that any spinal surgeries are likely performed at one of these, but it would certainly explain how Jack was able to get Sayid in and out without being seen because the place was closed at that time. Facilities such as these would have all that equipment plus medications in a closed system. Possibly Jack had a nurse's id and password to get into the medication system... after all he was stealing narcotics in an earlier episode. I know of people who have done such and eventually got caught.

Plausible?

Right, maybe it wasn't even a hosptial ED. It very well could have been an outpatient surgical center.

I don't remember.......was it night or daytime when he brought him in? Did they show us anything besides the room they were in? Was there noise from other people? I will have to rewatch this part tonight. I don't remember.

Right, maybe it wasn't even a hosptial ED. It very well could have been an outpatient surgical center.

I don't remember.......was it night or daytime when he brought him in? Did they show us anything besides the room they were in? Was there noise from other people? I will have to rewatch this part tonight. I don't remember.

Come to think of it, I don't remember hearing or seeing any other commotion outside the room. I believe it was daylight out. Maybe a weekend?

Don't know why I'm so into this one little scene. Darn LOST. Heh.

Come to think of it, I don't remember hearing or seeing any other commotion outside the room. I believe it was daylight out. Maybe a weekend?

Don't know why I'm so into this one little scene. Darn LOST. Heh.

It was definitely during the day.

And yup ... damn LOST. It makes us obsess over every minute detail... :biggrin:

Come to think of it, I don't remember hearing or seeing any other commotion outside the room. I believe it was daylight out. Maybe a weekend?

Don't know why I'm so into this one little scene. Darn LOST. Heh.

Rewatched it this weekend. He pulls up into a parking lot, during the day time. There is an ambulance coming in to what appears to be the ambulance bay, with their siren going.

After he treats Sayid he closes the door and you very clearly see people walking in the background. They were wearing scrubs, so nurses or doctors.

Looks like it must have been an ER.

I definitely don't think Jack is still employed. He snuck Sayid into the hospital.

I definitely don't think Jack is still employed. He snuck Sayid into the hospital.

Well, in a future episode he goes to the hospital to resign, so he was still employed

I just happen to be watching the episode again (for the 4th time) and the scene where Jack is calling Ben to let him know that he had Sayid was just on. First, Jack told Cheech that he was taking Sayid to a hospital despite Hurley's warning to keep him away from them. Then, while on the phone with Ben, Jack is clearly in front of an emergency room's sign. At least it's clear to me since my hospital has the exact same sign.

Well, in a future episode he goes to the hospital to resign, so he was still employed

thanks CL for clearing that up.

maybe he's just not allowed to operate.