Anyone have any ideas on the map Ms. Hawking is looking up on the computer/drafting a map of? It seems important. But the points on the map don't seem to be the island. There's one point to the west of Japan(in the ocean) and a bunch other points scattered in the ocean.

Anyone have any ideas on the map Ms. Hawking is looking up on the computer/drafting a map of? It seems important. But the points on the map don't seem to be the island. There's one point to the west of Japan(in the ocean) and a bunch other points scattered in the ocean.

Are some of these points in the Atlantic? That's my vague memory but I'll have to rewatch.

looks like they are all in the Pacific.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wahiggins3/3216197340/

this guy has a good theory.

Yes, it is the Pacific ;) ...
2 (or 3? there's one really close to Antarctica) are in the Indian Ocean ... the point that's almost directly under the point beside Japan could be the closest Island location, and in fact, as I rewatch that part a few times, that point has ONE line on it flashing, and it looks like the star thingy that the pendulum is drawing on the floor ...that IS interesting ...

Yes, nine points, all in the Pacific (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1454-497.html).
whoops, vect97 beat me to it.

Is the spot with the most pronounced activity the most likely location of the Island?

Is the spot with the most pronounced activity the most likely location of the Island?

If the island is jumping around in space as well as time, she's probably plotting the pattern of it's recent locations, trying to predict where it'll appear next.
Along with the When.

As you can tell, I haven't a clue what I'm talking about. I just know that's what I'd do.

If the island is jumping around in space as well as time, she's probably plotting the pattern of it's recent locations, trying to predict where it'll appear next.
Along with the When.

As you can tell, I haven't a clue what I'm talking about. I just know that's what I'd do.

I'm confused. Is the island itself jumping in time, or just the people?

I'm confused. Is the island itself jumping in time, or just the people?

I was hoping you could tell me. Richard implied it's the Left-Behinds jumping around but I'm not really understanding that. And I don't know how moving the wheel would make it jump in space, either.
Ms. H's plot points might have something to do with the earth's orbit, but that seems unlikely since there's such a north-south spread of the plot points.

I was hoping you could tell me. Richard implied it's the Left-Behinds jumping around but I'm not really understanding that. And I don't know how moving the wheel would make it jump in space, either.
Ms. H's plot points might have something to do with the earth's orbit, but that seems unlikely since there's such a north-south spread of the plot points.

Whatever that pendulum was pinpointing, it seemed to connect to determining the event window, which would seem to be time-related, judging from the 72 hours she gave Ben to assemble the O6. So perhaps the location of the island, when pinpointed and when gravitational/orbital factors or whatnot were factored in, allowed for the calculations of the event window (during which they could access the island).

Still confused about how the FDW "moved" the island, apart from making it invisible. Perhaps it, as an entity, is just dislodged in space-time, and since it's not anchored therein, those on the island jump around (as opposed to the island jumping)?

:confused::confused::confused:

The pendulum is affected by Earth's gravity, and an Island gone on Walkabout would make a tiny, tiny alteration in gravitational forces that influence the pendulum's swing. So our Silver Fox woman is tracking the Island's jumps through time based on almost invisible changes in gravity. She is looking for some pattern (and has been for three years?) to try to predict when the Island will jump to 2009 so that the O6 can get back. Hence the teeny, tiny time window she gives Ben. When that window closes, the Island may not jump back to 2009 ... ever.

Basically this probably means those left behind aren't shifting in time so much as the Island is. Those who were left have found themselves trapped on an Island that is loosing Its Mind and I'm guessing that really, really, really bad things will happen if the Island's Mind blows.

isn't 3 years from when the O-6 are found 2007?

Pendulum is a device that reflects Earth's movements relative to a non-moving point. So I think Ms. Hawking is using the pendulum to spot the new door to the Island by calculating the Earth's movements within the time spent off-Island. If we think the Island a non-moving point in the space and the Earth's rotation/movement The Island's intersection point with the Earth can be calculated with a pendulum.

Yeah, Pink Human and Jen1, as confused and ignorant as I am about all this stuff, it's obvious to even me that the pendulum points to Ms. H's looking for the island in space, ie on or in relation to points on earth. She's probably cross-referencing that to time stuff, but the pendulum for sure brings in the earth/space element...

isn't 3 years from when the O-6 are found 2007?

No, 3 years would be January 2008 (they were rescued during the first week of January 2005). However, when it says "three years later", it probably isn't exactly three years to the day, so it could be 2 years, 11 months later, etc. So it could be late 2007.

Yes, nine points, all in the Pacific (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1454-497.html).
whoops, vect97 beat me to it.

Not sure if it really matters, but there are 10 points, and one of them is in the Indian Ocean between the words, "Event" and "Window."

I'm confused. Is the island itself jumping in time, or just the people?

How about:

The Island is moving in space and time
The Losties are moving in time and space

?

I don't know how to phrase differently. It's early and I'm still working on my coffee :biggrin:

The Island is moving in space and time
The Losties are moving in time and space


That made no sense at all.

How about:

The Island is moving in space and time
The Losties are moving in time and space

?

I don't know how to phrase differently. It's early and I'm still working on my coffee :biggrin:

I think it's a little bit of both actually. I think the island is moving through space and time but the Left Behinders are moving through time.

This would explain the need to match up the two timelines so the O6 can get back to the island.

I'm not sure why this is happening. Part of me wants to say that the Frozen Donkey Wheel released all of the dark matter and sent the island into convulsions and anyone that was on the island when the hatch exploded was exposed to the time jumping.

That theory of course has multiple holes including why Alpert doesn't jump. I'm hoping you guys can shed some light or give some input!!!!

I think it's a little bit of both actually. I think the island is moving through space and time but the Left Behinders are moving through time.

This would explain the need to match up the two timelines so the O6 can get back to the island.


The losties may have to catch the island in space because the they are part of the island's constant. Certain people were brought to the island and if they leave something bad will happen. That's why the O6 couldn't leave and why they must get back.

Not sure if it really matters, but there are 10 points, and one of them is in the Indian Ocean between the words, "Event" and "Window."

good catch, i didn't see that one. it's far away from where the fake plane was planted though.

is there significance to the fact that one 'star' had 12 points, more than the other ones?
The one that's above and to the right of NewGinnie and Aussie.

like it's the most likely choice? it's also in close proximity to where we've always thought the island was...near Fiji; and within one of the infamous vile vortexes. ???
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most of the other 'stars' are near Antarctica..another often mentioned location..ever since the 'watch station' that Penny paid for.

The island is moving through space, thats it.

Ben wanted to move the Island and thats what he did,
we all saw the island physically move from its current location,
ergo it went somewhere else in space.

But this takes energy, almost limitless energy.
That energy has a spillover effect that will unstick people in time,
shunting them back and forth through time like a pendulum.

And LIKE a pendulum they will alternate between past and Future,
and now past again.
Since the first shift was in the past when the Nigerian plane crashed,
then sometime in the undisclosed Future,
then back to the 70ies,
it looks like the shifts are getting more extreme,
which means the NEXT ONE will take them far into the future.

-Exodus

My bet would be that the island moves through time and space. Because it moves through time, the location might change if it's independent of the Earth during the process, situates itself in another place because the planet rotates as the island is time travelling, and locates elsewhere.

I think we've seen that it can locate itself at sea or on land (Sahara/polar bear), but according to Mrs. Hawking's maps, it's been only in the pacific in recent (real time) years.

The pendulum is now drawing the current location they need to get to within 70 hours. The floor map seems to be marking a location that's to the east and a little north of where we think it's been, closer to Hawaii.