It seems as though Ben is trying to get everyone back to the Island - and to a degree it seems as though he controls an aspect of the Island's mystery (example: the Smoke Monster from "The Shape of Things to Come"). At the same time, Ben is very manipulative. You wonder if Ben really wants the people to come back for the Island's purposes or his own.

At the same time, the Island actually is in very bad shape, or let's put it this way the Left Behinders (Locke, Juliet, Sawyer, Miles, Charlotte, and Daniel - oh, also Rose and Bernard). On a side note, I'm glad Frogurt was killed - he was obnoxious! Let's just hope those who are left don't face what Frogurt did. Are the 6 who are to return really the solution to the problem that the Island is in?

But Ben manipulated Sayid into killing people who've worked for Widmore. And Sayid (thankfully) no longer trusts Ben. Sayid told Hurley to do the exact opposite of what Ben tells Hurley to do - and that is what Hurley did.

This created complications for Ben in following orders from the mysterious lady who knows about the future. So did Hurley do the right thing? And if not, what do you think Ben has in mind for his selfish ambitions? Discuss

in the overall scheme of things, he probably didn't do the right thing. For all the scheming, and deaths that he caused, I think Ben probably is on the 'good' or 'right' side, if there is one. I think the Six do need to return to the island, and Hurley's arrest will probably slow that down.

But don't get me wrong, Hurley is one of my favorite characters and I can totally understand why he did what he did.

Ana Lucia told hurley specifically not to get arrested. of course, sayid told hurley not to trust ben. who do we believe? ghost/dream ana or sayid?

Ana Lucia told hurley specifically not to get arrested. of course, sayid told hurley not to trust ben. who do we believe? ghost/dream ana or sayid?

That's a good point about Ana Lucia, but do you think Ben is now controlling visions just like he did with the Smoke Monster?

Ana Lucia told hurley specifically not to get arrested. of course, sayid told hurley not to trust ben. who do we believe? ghost/dream ana or sayid?

Hurley's decision will probably end up being very bad because of this reason. Always listen to a ghost!

But I did get some satisfaction as a viewer from finally getting to see a character really stick it to Ben. I don't like the character of Ben, but ME does a good job, and the facial expression that he pulled off when Hurley was getting arrested shows his talent.

Ironic, that the whole ep was about Hurley's aversion to the 'lie'. Then he escapes Ben with a lie

"I'm a murderer. I killed 4 people, 3 people, however many are dead, I killed them all!"

This created complications for Ben in following orders from the mysterious lady who knows about the future. So did Hurley do the right thing? And if not, what do you think Ben has in mind for his selfish ambitions?

I think Hurley has a very good core of goodness, and ethics. He was taught right and wrong in the most basic of way, and according to his religion. He has a hard time lying because that's just Hurley. So, I doubt that the police will really believe that he killed people. Also, Hurley is very loyal and a deep friend to others, and so while the "conflicts" that other characters face often involve other people, Hurley is resolving conflicts within himself. I believe Hurley did the right thing based on his loyalty to others.

I agree with Parrot. It's not going to take the police long to figure out Hurley did not kill those people.

Random thoughts. The theme of black and white, science vs faith. I think Hurley is pure and innocent (white) but I'm not sure who his arch enemy is?

He also has a good throwing arm but needs to work on hitting the target

We've never seen him trust Ben, have we? He went with Locke once against Jack, but he's always been loyal to his other friends. If there's arch enemy for Hurley - I think it would be Ben.

Did Hurley do the right thing? I don't know. He certainly protected himself at the moment it was most needed but it will slow down the actions Ben had laid out. Plus, as a lostie I would trust one of my own and not Ben the great manipulator. In the end, I believe they'll make the 70 hour window with lots of difficulty and great television ahead. :)

Hurley did the wrong thing by getting arrested - Ana Lucia specifically warned against letting that happen. While it was completely understandable to not trust Ben, Hurley can't help anybody from jail.

I agree with Parrot. It's not going to take the police long to figure out Hurley did not kill those people.

I hate to break it to you, but the police are going to throw the book at poor Hurley.


There was a man shot to death in a car outside the institution on the night Hurley ran away; the news said that Hurley was already wanted for questioning because of that death.
Hurley has a medical history of seeing things that aren't really there - from the perspective of a criminal prosecutor, Hurley could have believed he was in danger even though he really wasn't.
There is a picture of Hurley holding a gun, with what looks like a bloodstain on his shirt, looking down on the corpse of a man. There are plenty of witnesses that saw the man fall, and then saw Hurley look down from the same place that the guy fell from.
Hurley ditched the ketchup shirt, meaning there is no way for the police to immediately tell that it was just a ketchup stain.
Hurley turned himself over to the police, and confessed to several murders without prompting.

Hurley's only alibi for all of this is that he didn't kill those men - his friend Sayid (whom no one can locate at the moment) took Hurley voluntarily from the mental institution and killed all those men in the process. And that's only if Hurley decides to tell the police that Sayid was involved; Hurley might try to protect his friend and take the blame (the smart thing for Hurley to do would be to shut up and not say anything at all).

For the confession alone, the police would likely take Hurley into custody. When you throw in all the other circumstantial evidence, there's no way the police will simply question him and let him go. Hurley is probably going to be in jail until he can get a bail hearing. That could take longer than 70 hours, and Hurley still might not be able to get out on bail (depends on whether he has a good lawyer).

I guess that's why Ben said he needed at least a week... but Ben always has a plan. He will use his Jedi mind tricks.

We've never seen him (Hurley) trust Ben, have we? If there's arch enemy for Hurley - I think it would be Ben.

They shared an Apollo candy bar once. That was one of my favorite moments on the show.

I doubt Hurley will go to jail. Since he's already been classified as insane, not in control of his faculties, he will be placed in a secure cell in a mental hospital, probably right back where he started, but with locks. Not too hard to break him out of if Ben happens to have a "man inside."

I know Ben will get Hurley back and on the island. This is a guy who left the island, no longer to lead the others. Yet three years have passed, and he's with Mrs Hawking, and other unknown others.
They obviously didn't leave the island as they have no way to, so he'l no doubt get them all together soon.

They shared an Apollo candy bar once. That was one of my favorite moments on the show.

Ah, you're so right (I'd forgotten that). It was a great scene!

That was a great scene where Ben was trying to persuade Hurley to come with him. He used all the right words, the right tone, and had Sayid not told Hurley to avoid Ben, he probably would have followed. You could see in Hurley's face that he wanted to believe Ben.

Here is the thing: remember when Ben was talking to Ms Hawking at the end of the episode. He clearly did not say that Hurley was arrested. His exact words were. I lost Reyes tonight.
This is why I do not think that Hurley was arrested by the real LAPD. I think he was picked up by people working for Widmore.

It's interesting that Ana Lucia's Ghost tells Hurley not to get arrested as if to aid in Ben's plan to get him back to the Island.

On the other hand, Claire's presence tells Kate not to bring Aaron back to the Island. Is Claire dead or alive? We don't know.

Are the Ghost's or whatever you want to call them taking sides? Are some working with The Ben faction and other's with the Widmore faction?

Here is the thing: remember when Ben was talking to Ms Hawking at the end of the episode. He clearly did not say that Hurley was arrested. His exact words were. I lost Reyes tonight.
This is why I do not think that Hurley was arrested by the real LAPD. I think he was picked up by people working for Widmore.


good catch.

Hurley did the wrong thing by getting arrested - Ana Lucia specifically warned against letting that happen. While it was completely understandable to not trust Ben, Hurley can't help anybody from jail.



I hate to break it to you, but the police are going to throw the book at poor Hurley.


There was a man shot to death in a car outside the institution on the night Hurley ran away; the news said that Hurley was already wanted for questioning because of that death.
Hurley has a medical history of seeing things that aren't really there - from the perspective of a criminal prosecutor, Hurley could have believed he was in danger even though he really wasn't.
There is a picture of Hurley holding a gun, with what looks like a bloodstain on his shirt, looking down on the corpse of a man. There are plenty of witnesses that saw the man fall, and then saw Hurley look down from the same place that the guy fell from.
Hurley ditched the ketchup shirt, meaning there is no way for the police to immediately tell that it was just a ketchup stain.
Hurley turned himself over to the police, and confessed to several murders without prompting.

Hurley's only alibi for all of this is that he didn't kill those men - his friend Sayid (whom no one can locate at the moment) took Hurley voluntarily from the mental institution and killed all those men in the process. And that's only if Hurley decides to tell the police that Sayid was involved; Hurley might try to protect his friend and take the blame (the smart thing for Hurley to do would be to shut up and not say anything at all).

For the confession alone, the police would likely take Hurley into custody. When you throw in all the other circumstantial evidence, there's no way the police will simply question him and let him go. Hurley is probably going to be in jail until he can get a bail hearing. That could take longer than 70 hours, and Hurley still might not be able to get out on bail (depends on whether he has a good lawyer).

You've must have been one of the fortunate ones that skipped Eggtown.

I know Ben will get Hurley back and on the island. This is a guy who left the island, no longer to lead the others. Yet three years have passed, and he's with Mrs Hawking, and other unknown others.
They obviously didn't leave the island as they have no way to, so he'l no doubt get them all together soon.

I fully agree he'll get them back, but don't quite get what you mean when you say that
they obviously didn't leave.

I did think that the church/Dharma station that Ben met her may have been on-Island on the count that Ben said BEN
"What happens if I can't get them all to come back,"

But I really doubt Jill's butcher shop is somewhere South of Otherville:rolleyes:
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Did Hurley do the right thing? I don't know. He certainly protected himself at the moment it was most needed but it will slow down the actions Ben had laid out. Plus, as a lostie I would trust one of my own and not Ben the great manipulator. In the end, I believe they'll make the 70 hour window with lots of difficulty and great television ahead. :)An astute and pragmatic observation. Though I think even going with Widmore, would be preferable to L.A. County jail. Not sure if the Island could protect against lethal injection.
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It's interesting that Ana Lucia's Ghost tells Hurley not to get arrested as if to aid in Ben's plan to get him back to the Island.

On the other hand, Claire's presence tells Kate not to bring Aaron back to the Island. Is Claire dead or alive? We don't know.

Are the Ghost's or whatever you want to call them taking sides? Are some working with The Ben faction and other's with the Widmore faction?



I believe the "ghosts" "work" for the island's interest.

hehe when you step back and read that sentence objectively...I might belong in that loony bin

I believe the "ghosts" "work" for the island's interest.

hehe when you step back and read that sentence objectively...I might belong in that loony bin


OK, do not pass go, do not collect $200 go directly to the loony bin.

But you make a point Kimosabe. If Claire is not dead then she is not working for the "Island's" interest but for the interest of Aaron. Therefore Doesn't want Aaron to come back.

Hmm.

It's interesting that Ana Lucia's Ghost tells Hurley not to get arrested as if to aid in Ben's plan to get him back to the Island.

On the other hand, Claire's presence tells Kate not to bring Aaron back to the Island. Is Claire dead or alive? We don't know.

Are the Ghost's or whatever you want to call them taking sides? Are some working with The Ben faction and other's with the Widmore faction?

I wouldn't be so sure that Claire even visited Kate at all. Kate was dreaming, and clearly woke up after the Arron 'warning'. All the other visions are seen while awake. Jack sees his father while awake. Hurley sees Charlie while awake. Kate saw a horse while awake. Locke sees the dead guy chopping a tree while awake. Some of these things are happening off-island too.

I don't remember any scenes where we see a vision while someone is asleep. I think that the dream was just a dream that Kate was having. This 'warning' is a red herring.

I wouldn't be so sure that Claire even visited Kate at all. Kate was dreaming, and clearly woke up after the Arron 'warning'. All the other visions are seen while awake. Jack sees his father while awake. Hurley sees Charlie while awake. Kate saw a horse while awake. Locke sees the dead guy chopping a tree while awake. Some of these things are happening off-island too.

I don't remember any scenes where we see a vision while someone is asleep. I think that the dream was just a dream that Kate was having. This 'warning' is a red herring.

I just watched that scene the day before yesterday so I know for sure that Locke dreamed seeing that guy but he got his hint in there. And Ben told him, that before Locke, he also had many dreams (where ppl told him what to do)...

Chrome,
John was sleeping when he saw Horace chopping trees. It was a dream.

I don't believe that Hurley did the right thing. More annoying, as Papa Thor has pointed out, the character has matured very little since season 1 despite seeing and coping with a tremendous amount of stuff. He's still kinda hapless and needs to be taken care of. It was cute/funny in season 1 now it's just getting somewhat pathetic. The writers need to allow Hurley some confidence and competence in dealing with situations. I'm not saying turn him into Jack or Sayid but come on already.

More Hurley running the Others over in the van, less Hurley hurling hot pockets is what I'm saying I guess. ( But the hot pocket thing was funny as hell and Ben's reaction was freaking priceless)

You've must have been one of the fortunate ones that skipped Eggtown.

This post made me lol. Too true. :biggrin:
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Much like last season's finale, Darlton wrote each of the O6 into different parts of the island to make us wonder how they get from point A to the chopper in order to make it off the island and back home. We were following their different paths up to the moment we see how each one makes their way to the helicopter. I believe that Hurley being arrested and Kate/Sun scenes are a section of the same wonder as to how all the 6 come together.

No, he made a huge mistake. I'm convinced that they DO need to go back to the island. Sun, Sayid and Hurley (Not sure how Kate feels, but I'm guessing she wouldn't go) are all wrong.

You've must have been one of the fortunate ones that skipped Eggtown.

Heh - I saw Eggtown. And where it was more of an interesting plot motivator for Kate to get out right away, it will be more interesting to the plot for our heroes to have to break Hurley out of jail. :biggrin:

LOL i do hope the police don't charge him, how on earth could Hurley overpower 3 gun toting assasins :D

Why all the Eggtown hate? I love that episode! :laugh:

Why all the Eggtown hate? I love that episode! :laugh:

Buffy ever feel like you're very, very alone? I think most people feel like Eggtown was an overly contrived, poorly done episode designed to simply make Kate's legal troubles disappear. The court scenes and legal manuveuring were laughable and poorly handled. No one expected Lost to turn into a legal drama but this epi was over the top. Probably could have been better handled if Kate's legal troubles were made to disappear by the influence of Ben, Widmore or some other powerful force.

Just want to mention that Claire did not tell Kate not to take Aaron back to the island. She said, "Don't bring him back, Kate. Don't you dare bring him back." She could have been talking about anyone, and anywhere. (Though I agree that we are led to believe she's talking about Aaron and the island.)

Hurley should have listened to Ana Lucia. Dude, always listen to the ghosts! Even if it wasn't Ana at all, but merely Hurley's subconsciousness trying to give him a gut feeling, he should have gone with it.

Anyway, Hurley doesn't know what sort of spat Sayid and Ben had. It could be something that Hurley would side with Ben on.

That's a good point about Ana Lucia, but do you think Ben is now controlling visions just like he did with the Smoke Monster?

I think Ben is creating the visions. TRUST SAYID! Hey, new slogan for Illinois Governor? LOL!
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Anyway, Hurley doesn't know what sort of spat Sayid and Ben had. It could be something that Hurley would side with Ben on.

Side with Ben? Oooohh! Creepy, dude! LOL! ;) I think Ben is the one manipulating people for his agenda. No ghosts, just Ben.

Well, Darlton did say in the recap episode prior to the 01/21/09 return of LOST that seeing dead people is not a good thing (while talking about Jack's seeing his dead father).

Then again, Ana Lucia told Eko to "help John" and then Eko goes off to push the button so that John can lose his faith and then regain it.

Also, Ana Lucia tells Hurley, "Oh, and Libby says, 'Hi'" and we've seen the ghost of Libby operate in a way that seems Island controlled--she popped in on Michael in the hospital and then again on the freighter.

Hugo's reaction to Ben's request was probably more closely tied to Sayid's comment about how to deal with Ben rather than forgetting Ana Lucia's comment about NOT GETTING ARRESTED. I think the bigger "mystery" will be if we find out that the Island's desire to get them all back is for the overall "good" and that It went to such great lengths to warn various characters in advance about what was coming.

But in terms of whether or not Hurley did the right thing, I'm thinking the Island is going to work it together for It's overall desire, so in the end, it won't matter what Hugo did or didn't do. What will matter is if he learns to trust that the Island is speaking to him when these things happen because that could be a much more important issue. Besides, the Island has already gotten Hugo out of jail once before--by sending Charlie's ghost--so It will get Hugo out of jail again, this time by using Ben (or Jack) since we all know that Hurley was off his meds.