Every episode there seems to be multiple threads questioning how things are staying with the Left Behinders. I just wanted to make one thread that can discuss the implications of bringing objects with you through a flash.

Early in the second episode of season 5 called "The Lie" Juliet and Sawyer have an interaction which give us the implied rules of physical objects during a flash. A lot of people seem to have missed this set-up.

[Sawyer dons the shirt and walks toward the Zodiac, where Juliet is examining the engine.]
SAWYER: Still in one piece?
JULIET: As far as I can tell.
SAWYER: I figured it would've disappeared with the rest of our stuff.
JULIET: I guess whatever we had with us when we moved is along for the ride.


Examples:
The Zodiac raft.
The Compass.
The Bullet in Locke's leg.
The Outrigger Canoe
The ropes that tied Miles and Charlotte's hands together.


Now most recently we see Sawyer, excuse me, James holding onto the rope that Locke is climbing down to get to the bottom of the well. This may be the most creative example of this yet. We do not know for sure when this episode leaves the Left Behinders, but if it is in the distant past before the well was dug. We can now draw the conclusion that the well might have been dug soley because someone discovered a rope that mysteriously goes down far into the ground. Amazing.


Let this thread serve as a season long place to discuss the objects that are carried through flashes or serve as a possibly definitive explanation on why these things go with them.
That is all.

What if you are holding someone from the past? Lets say present day Sawyer is kissing past Kate and it flashes. Does past kate time travel with Sawyer?

That's been a big question that has been coming up a lot on some of the fan Lost podcasts. If you are touching a person, do they come along during a flash? I would say no, but we have yet to see this scenario, so it's is currently unknown.

Well the flashes seemed to have stopped for a while. It looks like we are going to spend a good bit of time with the Losties during the DI days.

That's been a big question that has been coming up a lot on some of the fan Lost podcasts. If you are touching a person, do they come along during a flash? I would say no, but we have yet to see this scenario, so it's is currently unknown.

I would have to say no as well. I would think anything that's living wouldn't come with you, so if they were touching a person or even a tree, it wouldn't flash with them.

First off, Meano Franko, thank you for starting this thread. I've quoted that exchange between Sawyer and Juliet more than once in the past few weeks.

I would have to say no as well. I would think anything that's living wouldn't come with you, so if they were touching a person or even a tree, it wouldn't flash with them.I'm of the opinion that living people wouldn't travel as well.

When they flash, it's to the same location, so the same tree might be there, only bigger, if they flash to the future. Conversely, a tree may disappear, since it hadn't grown yet, if they flash to the past. The area around them is the same. So nothing living's going to travel with, but it could still be there.

Okay. What about things they were touching on the plane in 316? I've seen people ask about "Why didn't the seats travel with them? Bernard was found in his seat." Well that's because 815 actually crashed. The whole bloody plane crashed into the ocean/island/lagoon/etc. As for 316, only passengers (from what we know so far) and what they were holding (suicide note, guitar case) flashed with them. All non living things.

The flash that took Jack and Co off flight 316 may be a whole other ballgame from the flashes Sawyer and Co were experiencing. But we did see Locke's note (part of it) stay with Jack and all of (Charlie's?) guitar stay with Hurley. I'm willing to bet 316's flash was different than Sawyer's time flashes.

Just a hunch.

The flash that took Jack and Co off flight 316 may be a whole other ballgame from the flashes Sawyer and Co were experiencing. But we did see Locke's note (part of it) stay with Jack and all of (Charlie's?) guitar stay with Hurley. I'm willing to bet 316's flash was different than Sawyer's time flashes.

Just a hunch.
I tend to agree with you. But this bugs me, lol. I mean, the light was the same. The disorientation.

Meh. Gotta wait for it to be explained. Patience is a virtue....patience is a virtue....

Okay. What about things they were touching on the plane in 316? I've seen people ask about "Why didn't the seats travel with them? Bernard was found in his seat." Well that's because 815 actually crashed. The whole bloody plane crashed into the ocean/island/lagoon/etc. As for 316, only passengers (from what we know so far) and what they were holding (suicide note, guitar case) flashed with them. All non living things.


The flash that took Jack and Co off flight 316 may be a whole other ballgame from the flashes Sawyer and Co were experiencing. But we did see Locke's note (part of it) stay with Jack and all of (Charlie's?) guitar stay with Hurley. I'm willing to bet 316's flash was different than Sawyer's time flashes.

Just a hunch.

I agree, the Island time flashes were TT flashes and the flash on the plane was an "entrance" flash to the Island's snowglobe, so that could be why they don't match exactly. That would explain the seats not travelling with them. The strange thing though is, why did only a piece of Jack's letter from Locke go through? We don't know for sure but I'm assuming Jin's ring went with Sun, but it will be interesting to see how they do that.

goddessblue, I asked that question on a thread in the "316" forum, and there wasn't really an answer given. It's been hypothesized that 815 wasn't supposed to crash and the people the Island wanted would have been "flashed" out like on 316, but poor Desmond couldn't enter the numbers in time and so the plane was sucked to the Island.The thing with Bernard though is he seems to have been wanted by the Island because he's the only Tailie to have survived so far and therefore was flashed like the rest of them. You could be right though and Bernard and his seat ended up in the tree without a flash, but if he wasn't wanted by the Island and only survived by a fluke, wouldn't the Island have killed him off by now?:shrug:

It just seems like we don't have all the information right now, and it doesn't seem like it would be answered in the show, so hopefully Darlton will answer something like this in a podcast. You are completely right though, patience ........... patience.........patince.......:biggrin:

The thing with Bernard though is he seems to have been wanted by the Island because he's the only Tailie to have survived so far and therefore was flashed like the rest of them. You could be right though and Bernard and his seat ended up in the tree without a flash, but if he wasn't wanted by the Island and only survived by a fluke, wouldn't the Island have killed him off by now?:shrug:

Just rewatched "The Other Woman." Season 4's Juliet flashback. The scene where Ben has prepared dinner for Juliet. At one point Juliet says "We took everyone from the tail section that was on the list, we should bring Goodwin back." Ben claims that Goodwin was making a case for Anna Lucia. Regardless, Bernie apparently was not on the list, only the people they took during the early raids on their camp. Cindy was taken later on the trip to the main Lostie camp, but it could be argued that Cindy was an Other to begin with. Anywho, Bernie's being alive doesn't make him automatically special to the island. Until we know the reason for the list, we can't really apply it's meaning to who is or isn't on it.

So if we are thinking certain people flashed off of 815 because they were on the list and it only crashed because of Desmond, we could make the case that Bernie didn't flash with the seat because he wasn't on the list. He naturally survived the crash on his own. I guess he's still alive because he's still alive, no real reason.

Just rewatched "The Other Woman." Season 4's Juliet flashback. The scene where Ben has prepared dinner for Juliet. At one point Juliet says "We took everyone from the tail section that was on the list, we should bring Goodwin back." Ben claims that Goodwin was making a case for Anna Lucia. Regardless, Bernie apparently was not on the list, only the people they took during the early raids on their camp. Cindy was taken later on the trip to the main Lostie camp, but it could be argued that Cindy was an Other to begin with. Anywho, Bernie's being alive doesn't make him automatically special to the island. Until we know the reason for the list, we can't really apply it's meaning to who is or isn't on it.

So if we are thinking certain people flashed off of 815 because they were on the list and it only crashed because of Desmond, we could make the case that Bernie didn't flash with the seat because he wasn't on the list. He naturally survived the crash on his own. I guess he's still alive because he's still alive, no real reason.

LOL, the list was also brought up on the thread in the 316 forum as well, and unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the answer either. Remember Pickett said Jack wasn't on the list either (from I Do):

PICKETT: Ben just put his life in the hands of one of them! Shephard wasn't on Jacob's list.

Jack would seem to have flashed since he doesn't remember the crash and wakes up on the Island. Kate says she remembers the crash, but doesn't say anything about how she ended up on the Island. So I'm still at a loss.

It doesn't seem like Kate's on the list either....... (Par Avion transcript)

KATE: And why am I not capable?
SAYID: Kate.
MIKHAIL: Because you are not on the list.

LOL, the list was also brought up on the thread in the 316 forum as well, and unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the answer either. Remember Pickett said Jack wasn't on the list either (from I Do):

PICKETT: Ben just put his life in the hands of one of them! Shephard wasn't on Jacob's list.

Jack would seem to have flashed since he doesn't remember the crash and wakes up on the Island. Kate says she remembers the crash, but doesn't say anything about how she ended up on the Island. So I'm still at a loss.

It doesn't seem like Kate's on the list either....... (Par Avion transcript)

KATE: And why am I not capable?
SAYID: Kate.
MIKHAIL: Because you are not on the list.

True. I guess we can't use the list in figuring anything else out until we know the true nature of what the list is and what it means. Let's just say certain people flashed off of 815 for whatever reasons. Some people survived the actual crash. Everyone's purpose is not yet known. Heck, Locke's purpose isn't yet known and I'm pretty sure he actually has a purpose :)

I do believe there was a similar flash for 815. It just wasn't shown to us.

I do believe there was a similar flash for 815. It just wasn't shown to us.
I do too, but Kate remembering the crash throws me off...

I do too, but Kate remembering the crash throws me off...

She remembers the tail breaking off. Then the front ripping off. That doesn't mean she remembers everything. She never details actually crashing to the ground. The impact or anything like that. So it's still up in the air (well,not the plane :))