This line that Ben says to Sayid seems very random, I'm wondering if it is some sort of code that the hostiles use to identify each other or Ben uses to identify them. Maybe if any of the hostiles are ever captured by the DI, this is a code Ben uses that they know to make sure the person is a hostile, so he can help them..since we already know he has met Richard Alpert and has possibly begun helping them or at least spending time with them.

This line that Ben says to Sayid seems very random, I'm wondering if it is some sort of code that the hostiles use to identify each other or Ben uses to identify them. Maybe if any of the hostiles are ever captured by the DI, this is a code Ben uses that they know to make sure the person is a hostile, so he can help them..since we already know he has met Richard Alpert and has possibly begun helping them or at least spending time with them.

That is my exact thought. I also think that what is in the bag is anything but a Sandwich. Once Ben doesn't get the expected code then he will know that Sayid is not who he say's he is, and thus will come to know him as a 815/316 surviver and that is probably how he finds out about them and the future.

Oh, interesting. It stood out to me last night but then I forgot about it. That's a great idea.

This sound like a reasonable idea, or not, I mean not everyone likes mustard afterall:biggrin:. But I think you are right.

I actually don't care for mustard to be honest... but the idea would add a lot of conflict and could develop into something interesting... or not... sometimes mustard is just mustard...

its not a freakin code. Mustard code from indigenous mysterious, egyptian-rooted hostiles? I dont think so.

From the way young Ben told Sayid "I didn't put mustard on it", it sounded to me like the kind of thing someone would say if they already knew the person didn't like mustard and the sandwich maker was assuring the person that he/she had made the sandwich the way the recipient likes it.

But then, how would young Ben have known that Sayid doesn't like mustard on his sandwich?

From the way young Ben told Sayid "I didn't put mustard on it", it sounded to me like the kind of thing someone would say if they already knew the person didn't like mustard and the sandwich maker was assuring the person that he/she had made the sandwich the way the recipient likes it.

But then, how would young Ben have known that Sayid doesn't like mustard on his sandwich?
I don't know about it being code, but this is how it sound to me also. It was very much a thing a kid would say when they are trying to do something correct for another person especially an adult when the child is neglected by a parent.

I was mostly wondering if the sandwich had pork or anything in it that a practicing Muslim would not be likely to eat! Do Richard's people have dietary restrictions? Could that have blow SJ's cover?

But then, how would young Ben have known that Sayid doesn't like mustard on his sandwich?

Well, it was a PB&J... so he just assumed... ;)

-- J

From the way young Ben told Sayid "I didn't put mustard on it", it sounded to me like the kind of thing someone would say if they already knew the person didn't like mustard and the sandwich maker was assuring the person that he/she had made the sandwich the way the recipient likes it.

But then, how would young Ben have known that Sayid doesn't like mustard on his sandwich?

Right, so that's why it is likely code and not him knowing that Sayid doesn't like mustard. ;)

Which frankly, I kind of think Sayid *would* dislike mustard. :biggrin:

I mean, out of all things to say to someone, why that? Wouldnt he at least tell him what kind of sandwich it was before saying this?

Just sayin'....I'm betting on another "tell my sister I love her" type deal here

Well, it was a PB&J... so he just assumed... ;)

-- J


What??? No banana? And here I thought this was supposed to be the 70's. Maybe this is what killed Elvis in 77?:eek2:

Seriously though, mustard is never just mustard on Lost. I was picturing that kid in Bad Santa when I re watched the episode and laughed thinking about his sammiches for Billy Bob Thornton, but this thread has me thinking it might be some kind of code.

Just sayin'....I'm betting on another "tell my sister I love her" type deal here

Case in point.

I doubt it was a code;

If Sayid had said he did want mustard then Ben would have taken the sandwich back to the kitchen to put it on. I think there's something like cell keys or a gun in the bag, and the question is Ben's clever way of asking "Do you want to use it? or do you want me to take it back? Sayid would risk his life by breaking out, and Ben wants to know if he's willing to take that chance. Of course Sayid does.

Also, Sawyer/LaFleur said to Jack that he's working on a plan to free Sayid. He must know who Ben is since he's been with him for three years now, so true to his con-man nature, he's probably manipulating Ben, which would be easy since Ben doesn't know who he's up against yet. I think Sawyer sent him in with the bag and the message.

It's probably some sort of code.

Also, the idiom:
"Cut the mustard"

Is it a test to see if Sayid cuts the mustard or not?

I think mustard is forbidden. If not 100%, perhaps at specific times.

eta:
Which would mean Ben knows who Sayid is by honoring his dietary laws.
(Unless the island "natives" have the same dietary restrictions...then, I haven't seen Alpert consume anything at all. :eek2:)

I think mustard is forbidden. If not 100%, perhaps at specific times.

eta:
Which would mean Ben knows who Sayid is by honoring his dietary laws.
(Unless the island "natives" have the same dietary restrictions...then, I haven't seen Alpert consume anything at all. :eek2:)

Good point. Maybe Richard's Company doesn't eat. Just eating a sandwich, then, would prove he wasn't part of Richard's Co.!

HISTORICAL NOTES
The Romans likely developed the prepared mustards we know today. They mixed unfermented grape juice, known as "must", with ground mustard seeds (called sinapis) to make "burning must", mustum ardens—hence "must ard". (Per Wikipedia).

The Romans spoke Latin, conquered Egypt, and were present in Tunesia.

Mild white mustard (Sinapis hirta) grows wild in North Africa (i.e. TUNESIA), the Middle East and Mediterranean Europe (Per Wikipedia).


MODERN TIMES
There is also Mustard gas - Ben gassed the Dharma and his Dad.


RELIGIOUS
In the Parable of the Mustard Seed, Jesus compares the Kingdom of Heaven to a mustard seed. Not only does Jesus teach of the Kingdom of Heaven as a Mustard seed but also tells his disciples to have the faith LIKE a mustard seed. Although having some of the smallest seeds, the mustard plant grows to a large size, providing shelter for birds: Mark 4:31-32. Their growth is persistent and powerful enough to crack cement when growing.

Gautama Buddha also told the story of the grieving mother and the mustard seed. When a mother loses her only son, she takes his body to the Buddha to find a cure. The Buddha asks her to bring a handful of mustard seeds from a family that has never lost a child, husband, parent or friend. When the mother is unable to find such a house in her village, she realizes that death is common to all, and she cannot be selfish in her grief. [3]

In the Quran, God states that the scales of justice will be established on the Day of Judgment, and no soul will suffer the least injustice. Even the equivalent of a mustard seed will be accounted for because God is the most efficient reckoner.

I can't believe I didn't think of it as a code. Brilliant. Makes perfect sense.

An interesting theory but I didn't think of it as code when Ben said this. I instantly thought that as soon as Ben found out that a hostile (or in this case, not) had been captured he wanted to go to him and show that he sympathized with him. ...Or maybe Hostiles just don't like mustard in Ben's experience? To be fair, this could mean anything...

Maybe the mustard comment was just to show that once upon a time, young Ben was very thoughtful and eager to please.

Great thought, NotAnOther. I noticed that Ben didn't answer when Sayid asked him if he thought he was a Hostile. I assume that Ben has had some additional contact with the Hostiles over the past 4-5 years.

"No, unfortunately we don't have a code for 'Are you one of my people or a plane crash survivor from the future', although obviously we should."

hmmmm... seems like we may be overanalyzing this, but isnt that what is done here?
i think it is a good of a theory as most.

even if it isnt code for anything- i bet there is something in the bag to help sayid

Ever notice how ketchup is never used on a cold sandwich but mustard can and is used on both cold and hot sandwiches.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. :)

MichaelTheAngel wrote about an idea that I also had, they purged Dharma with some type of gas....possibly mustard gas

The other reaction i got from this line was that it seemed as though Ben had had plenty of experience with other imprisoned Hostiles, and he had given them mustard.

Wow, i just found this on Wikipedia: Mustard gas was originally assigned the name LOST, after Lommel and Steinkopf, who first proposed the military use of sulfer mustard

From the way young Ben told Sayid "I didn't put mustard on it", it sounded to me like the kind of thing someone would say if they already knew the person didn't like mustard and the sandwich maker was assuring the person that he/she had made the sandwich the way the recipient likes it.

But then, how would young Ben have known that Sayid doesn't like mustard on his sandwich?
It is a very well known fact that Hostiles HATE Mustard....

Hmm...I just thought it was something a kid would say to try and be friends with someone, showing us that Ben (as a child) was a nice little boy and GREW to be evil.

I'm putting it with the Season 2 "Did you see the look Jack gave Kate before the bags went over their heads?" discussion.
It ended up being nothing.

i'm hungry :p

I think there actually IS mustard on the sandwhich...because Ben is a LIAR.

Wouldn't that be funny?

MichaelTheAngel wrote about an idea that I also had, they purged Dharma with some type of gas....possibly mustard gas

The other reaction i got from this line was that it seemed as though Ben had had plenty of experience with other imprisoned Hostiles, and he had given them mustard.

Wow, i just found this on Wikipedia: Mustard gas was originally assigned the name LOST, after Lommel and Steinkopf, who first proposed the military use of sulfer mustard
that's cool!!!!

I think there actually IS mustard on the sandwhich...because Ben is a LIAR.

Wouldn't that be funny?

LOL


*Sayid takes a bite of the sandwich*

"Ewww, Mustard"


The first of Ben's victims

Sawyer told the DI guy (I don't know his name) to feed him. So Ben brings Sayid the bag w/o mustard on the sandwich - did he get it from the Island's Chef or make it himself?

b/c the Chef is Hurley.

Does anyone really think there's just a sandwich in the bag?

There was clearly is a sandwich in the bag, but that doesn't mean it isn't a code or test or other foreshadowing. :cool:

Who doesn't put mustard on a sandwich ?

This probably doesn't have anything to do with anything, but just for fun--one way to protect yourself from a vampire is to spill mustard seed on the ground. The vampire is compelled to stop and count the number of seeds.

Hmm...I just thought it was something a kid would say to try and be friends with someone, showing us that Ben (as a child) was a nice little boy and GREW to be evil.


This is what I'm thinking, but it is important to add that Ben (already) is trying to be very friendly with a hostile (he thinks Said is a hostile), which suggests Ben is already unhappy with Dharma.

This probably doesn't have anything to do with anything, but just for fun--one way to protect yourself from a vampire is to spill mustard seed on the ground. The vampire is compelled to stop and count the number of seeds.

I didn't know this. I'll remember it the next time I'm being chased by a vampire. :biggrin:

OT:
I think it also works when being chased by AIG executives but replace the mustard seeds with tax payer dollars. They're compelled to stop and squander them.

i thought it was code but now thinking hurley is the chef it could be as simple as hurley knows sayid doesnt like mustard lol

This is what I'm thinking, but it is important to add that Ben (already) is trying to be very friendly with a hostile (he thinks Said is a hostile), which suggests Ben is already unhappy with Dharma.

I believe he has already met Richard at this point, so he might already be working with the hostiles in some manner.
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I didn't know this. I'll remember it the next time I'm being chased by a vampire. :biggrin:

Happy to help. I hope you won't be put in the situation where you randomly need a bag of mustard seeds to spill to protect yourself from a vampire.;)

I can't take credit for this..I read that a lot of fans on EW immediately thought that in the sandwich bag was a gun. (may be "no mustard' means no bullets?)

The whole 'theory' to this is that Sayid was 1st found by the Others, and told to spy (just as Rad thought) and Benry Potter was told to give Sayid the gun so he could escape.

This is supported by:
The quick flash in the 'next week' scenes of Sayid with a small gun.

From the way young Ben told Sayid "I didn't put mustard on it", it sounded to me like the kind of thing someone would say if they already knew the person didn't like mustard and the sandwich maker was assuring the person that he/she had made the sandwich the way the recipient likes it.

But then, how would young Ben have known that Sayid doesn't like mustard on his sandwich?

I agree. (Not saying it's definitely not a code, just that this was my interpretation of that line as well.)

But do we even know that Sayid doesn't like mustard on a sandwich? ;)
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Well, it was a PB&J... so he just assumed... ;)

-- J


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I agree. (Not saying it's definitely not a code, just that this was my interpretation of that line as well.)

But do we even know that Sayid doesn't like mustard on a sandwich? ;)

Actually I see Sayid as more of a mustard than a mayo kind of guy.
:biggrin:

hurley does..

Actually I see Sayid as more of a mustard than a mayo kind of guy.
:biggrin:

ok, it's Friday.....
I'd see Sayid, a Persian, as a Hummus and Tahini sauce kind of guy! ;)

ok, it's Friday.....
I'd see Sayid, a Persian, as a Hummus and Tahini sauce kind of guy! ;)
LOL! True!
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I can't take credit for this..I read that a lot of fans on EW immediately thought that in the sandwich bag was a gun. (may be "no mustard' means no bullets?)

The whole 'theory' to this is that Sayid was 1st found by the Others, and told to spy (just as Rad thought) and Benry Potter was told to give Sayid the gun so he could escape.

This is supported by:
The quick flash in the 'next week' scenes of Sayid with a small gun.
Sorry JPolar, I somehow missed this post of yours.
That makes a lot of sense about there being a gun in the sammich bag. But I don't think Sayid was with the Others. I think more than likely,young Ben who has already met Richard and knows of the Others just wants to help Sayid bec/ he thinks he's a hostile/other.

I think Ben may have smuggled him a gun, but I don't think the mustard thing was code. It sounded more like Ben wanted to believe he was a hostile as opposed to being privy to extra incite. The way he said "Are you a Hostile?" made it sound like a kid talking to a hero of his. It seemed like he was excited at the prospect of meeting one of them for real, finally. (and yes, of course I know he already met Richard Alpert, but I mean since that day.)

I'd like to mash together a few of the previous theories...


Sawyer tells the dude to bring Sayid some food. The chef, Hurley, makes a sandwich. Ben delivers the sandwich to Sayid.

"I didn't put any mustard on it."
Sayid takes a bite, spits it out. There's mustard on it!
"I thought you said you didn't put mustard on it!?!"
"I didn't say that I made the sandwich."

LOST

I'd like to mash together a few of the previous theories...


Sawyer tells the dude to bring Sayid some food. The chef, Hurley, makes a sandwich. Ben delivers the sandwich to Sayid.

"I didn't put any mustard on it."
Sayid takes a bite, spits it out. There's mustard on it!
"I thought you said you didn't put mustard on it!?!"
"I didn't say that I made the sandwich."

LOST

Or.... "I didn't put any mustard on it."

Sayid takes a bite, spits it out. There's mustard on it!
"I thought you said you didn't put mustard on it!?!"

Ben: "I lied."

LOL!

Mmmmmm...tahini sauce on a lamb gyros on pita bread wrapped in foil! Yummm..

ur theory...that makes a lot more sense and is a lot less complicated to me too. i didn't like the 'he had time to meet and be brainwashed by the Others' part either. it was just going around a lot yesterday.

Actually, i'll bet there was no gun yet either. maybe just a note saying he'll help Sayid inside the sammich.

Sayid takes a bite, spits it out. There's mustard on it!
"I thought you said you didn't put mustard on it!?!"

Ben: "You are a fickle b1tch."
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Actually, i'll bet there was no gun yet either. maybe just a note saying he'll help Sayid inside the sammich.


"Meet me in the sandwich; one hour"





OMG I am laughing so hard!!!!!

I'd like to mash together a few of the previous theories...

Sawyer tells the dude to bring Sayid some food.
The chef, Hurley, makes a sandwich. Ben delivers the sandwich to Sayid.

"I didn't put any mustard on it."
Sayid takes a bite, spits it out. There's mustard on it!
"I thought you said you didn't put mustard on it!?!"
"I didn't say that I made the sandwich."


that was just on...it's Juliet's bit with Jack..

"i didn't make the sandwich, i just put the toothpicks in it." <she smiles>

Sayid, who just swallowed, starts choking...gaaakkkk!

We should start a poll:
What kind of sammich would Hurley make?

Sayid takes a bite, spits it out. There's mustard on it!
"I thought you said you didn't put mustard on it!?!"

Ben: "You are a fickle b1tch."
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LMAO!!! Ben: "You are a fickle b1tch."
:biggrin:

This probably doesn't have anything to do with anything, but just for fun--one way to protect yourself from a vampire is to spill mustard seed on the ground. The vampire is compelled to stop and count the number of seeds.

No its Jelly Beans the vampire has to count.

it's anything like that...buttons, pins anything ocd

it's anything like that...buttons, pins anything ocd

Yes. One of the traditional versions in the legend is mustard seeds, but in general most versions say anything of that sort will do. Mulder used sunflower seeds in one of my favorite episodes of The X Files, "Bad Blood." Anyway, sorry I got this thread so off topic, as I don't think the mustard reference really has anything to do with vampires.:biggrin:

X Files and Lost, perfect...


Bad Blood is an amazing episode, great appearance from Luke Wilson! Up there with some of Season 3's work

Sayid takes a bite of the sandwich. Spits it out.

Sayid (to himself): "A liar, already, at 10 years old..."

Sayid grabs a napkin from the bag then pulls apart the sandwich. Before he can begin to wipe the mustard off the bread, he sees a note that says:

[Sorry, note only readable in HD...]

LOST

Who doesn't put mustard on a sandwich ?
My children!

Wow, i just found this on Wikipedia: Mustard gas was originally assigned the name LOST, after Lommel and Steinkopf, who first proposed the military use of sulfer mustard
That's very interesting.

It would be cool if there was an actual sandwich in the bag, but underneath the sandwich was another smaller sandwich which.....wait for it...........was cut into the shape of a key!

Hurley: Dude, how did you escape from that prison cell?
Sayid: I opened the cell door......*stares at Hurley intensely*.......with a sandwich
Hurley: .........uhhhh......dude?!

I'd like to mash together a few of the previous theories...


Sawyer tells the dude to bring Sayid some food. The chef, Hurley, makes a sandwich. Ben delivers the sandwich to Sayid.

"I didn't put any mustard on it."
Sayid takes a bite, spits it out. There's mustard on it!
"I thought you said you didn't put mustard on it!?!"
"I didn't say that I made the sandwich."

LOST
OK, one more time...LOL

Sawyer tells the dude to bring Sayid some food. The chef, Hurley, makes a sandwich. Ben delivers the sandwich to Sayid.

"I didn't put any mustard on it."
Sayid takes a bite, spits it out. There's mustard on it!
"I thought you said you didn't put mustard on it!?!"
"Dude. Thats not mustard.:eek2:"

LOST

I had to explain to my wife at dinner why seeing the mustard on the table made me laugh.

kevinlong >
its not a freakin code. Mustard code from indigenous mysterious, egyptian-rooted hostiles? I dont think so.

Ben is hardly "indigenous" or "egyptian-rooted". He was born just outside Portland !


rain110302 >
I think there actually IS mustard on the sandwhich...because Ben is a LIAR.

:biggrin:

I don't know about code, but I definitely agree something is going on there. I tell you what clinched it for me - he shuts the door behind him as he goes into the room. Why would he do that if he's just delivering a sandwich? Especially with a potentially dangerous Hostile in there.

I like the idea that Ben is looking to meet Hostiles. And I too thought about the Mustard Gas connection - both possibly in the Purge and the attack on Sayid's village, which wasn't actually Mustard Gas, but there's a connection.

I think there actually IS mustard on the sandwhich...because Ben is a LIAR.

Wouldn't that be funny?

LOL


*Sayid takes a bite of the sandwich*

"Ewww, Mustard"


The first of Ben's victims

:rotflmao2: LOL, too funny! Almost as funny as "the reason Jill hates Jack" comment in the 316 forum. The humor on here is great!

This probably doesn't have anything to do with anything, but just for fun--one way to protect yourself from a vampire is to spill mustard seed on the ground. The vampire is compelled to stop and count the number of seeds.

Yes. One of the traditional versions in the legend is mustard seeds, but in general most versions say anything of that sort will do. Mulder used sunflower seeds in one of my favorite episodes of The X Files, "Bad Blood." Anyway, sorry I got this thread so off topic, as I don't think the mustard reference really has anything to do with vampires.:biggrin:

LOL, when you first mentioned about the mustard seeds, my first thought was of Mulder throwing the sunflower seeds in "Bad Blood". Great episode. Right up there with "Home" (which isn't allowed to be played on TV anymore because it was so disturbing), "Paper Hearts", "Small Potatoes", "Detour", "Folie a Deux", and "Monday" (which definitely has a Lost feel since it's about a time loop). Man, you made me want to watch all my X-files DVD's again. Better get back on topic.........

I agree that Ben saying the comment about the mustard stood out as odd to me and I thought it might have been some kind of code. I like the idea that there is more than just a sandwhich in there. Probably not a gun ot anything like that, but a note is definitely a good possibility.

Nice posts/info MichaelTheAngel and RAD24!
Glad I came back to catch up...
:rotflmao2:
:rotflmao2: LOL, too funny! Almost as funny as "the reason Jill hates Jack" comment in the 316 forum. The humor on here is great!
Going to look.....

Ever notice how ketchup is never used on a cold sandwich but mustard can and is used on both cold and hot sandwiches.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. :)

I put ketchup on cold sandwiches!! Sorry! ;)

I took the meaning as this wasn't the first time Ben brought food. The first time Sayid told him he didn't like mustard and so Ben told him "he didn;t put mustard on it" showing Sayid that he was trying to win approval at his young age with what he thought was a "hostile"

Maybe the crew member behind Sun doesn't like mustard either :o

ok, it's Friday.....
I'd see Sayid, a Persian, as a Hummus and Tahini sauce kind of guy! ;)
Um, just a small detail... Sayid's from Iraq. Persia's another name for Iran. :)

For those who have guessed that there might be a gun in the bag instead of a sandwich, I think 'mustard' might be an oblique reference to the board game Clue. In Clue Colonel Mustard is a military man, a great white hunter and his associated weapon is the gun.

Mustard is clearly a reference to the Roy Wood album of that name, released about the time he disbanded Wizard ...Ben is wearing harry Potter's spex, and its LOST referencing track titles:

Any Old Time Will Do,
The Rain Came Down on Everything
and - someone getting their retaliation in first perhaps - You Sure Got It Now.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/Roy_Wood_Mustard.gif You seriously gonna tell me that isn't a chess board, eh? eh?

Existing code or not, I'm betting the next meal time brings Ben by with a cake with a file baked in it and TAKE ME WITH YOU iced in the frosting on the top.

Um, just a small detail... Sayid's from Iraq. Persia's another name for Iran. :)

For those who have guessed that there might be a gun in the bag instead of a sandwich, I think 'mustard' might be an oblique reference to the board game Clue. In Clue Colonel Mustard is a military man, a great white hunter and his associated weapon is the gun.

Ummmm, Just a small detail, all those countries were part of "The Persian (once aka Ottoman) Empire" up to when the occupying British made it arbitrarily into a lot a different countries. All people from there consider themselves "Persian" an ethnic group, as apposed to "Arabic", which is what i was referring to. (we all know that in real life Sayid is an Indie)
A "Clue" reference??? :rolleyes:
btw, if Col. Mustard is a hunter, wouldn't he be carrying a hunting RIFLE. In Clue, isn't the gun a 'handgun'? Try shooting an elephant with a 'gun'; or putting an rifle into a sandwich bag.

The Clue gun is a revolver. Since there is no rifle in the game, it's the closest Colonel Mustard could get to holding a gun. It also is lovely and dainty for when Miss Scarlet pulls it out of her handbag.

~

Edit to add: On the quest thread a lot of parables have come up in relation to mustard seeds. There are Christian, Buddhist, and Islamic references to mustard seeds. Kind of cool.

I mean, out of all things to say to someone, why that? Wouldnt he at least tell him what kind of sandwich it was before saying this?

Just sayin'....I'm betting on another "tell my sister I love her" type deal here

Interesting! I kept thinking that he must have had additional contact since we last saw him with Richard. Could be... :)

Great thought, NotAnOther. I noticed that Ben didn't answer when Sayid asked him if he thought he was a Hostile. I assume that Ben has had some additional contact with the Hostiles over the past 4-5 years.[/quote]

:yes:

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I'm putting it with the Season 2 "Did you see the look Jack gave Kate before the bags went over their heads?" discussion.
It ended up being nothing.

HAHA. I wouldn't count my proverbial chickens with that one just yet.



Wow, i just found this on Wikipedia: Mustard gas was originally assigned the name LOST, after Lommel and Steinkopf, who first proposed the military use of sulfer mustard


^^^^^ That is so excellent I don't even know what to say.^^^

Ummmm, Just a small detail, all those countries were part of "The Persian (once aka Ottoman) Empire" up to when the occupying British made it arbitrarily into a lot a different countries. All people from there consider themselves "Persian" an ethnic group, as apposed to "Arabic", which is what i was referring to. (we all know that in real life Sayid is an Indie)
A "Clue" reference??? :rolleyes:
btw, if Col. Mustard is a hunter, wouldn't he be carrying a hunting RIFLE. In Clue, isn't the gun a 'handgun'? Try shooting an elephant with a 'gun'; or putting an rifle into a sandwich bag.

Arabs and Kurds will never identify themselves as Persian likewise Persians will never say they're Arab. So no all people from there do not consider themselves Persian. And if you understood the long history between these two groups of people what you described would be much like a Korean saying they're Japanese.

First off, Arabs are people who either speak the Arabic language or are descended from the tribes from the Arabian Peninsula. Persians are a separate group of people that came out of Central Asia to settle in the area which we call modern day Iran.

Also the majority of the people in Iraq are Arab and alongside them are a smaller minority of Kurds up in the north. These groups of people designate themselves primarily by which Arabic tribe they are from. Whereas Iranians consider themselves to be Persian in fact Iran was known as Persia up until 1935.

In Iraq the primary language is Arabic whereas in Iran the primary language spoken is the Persian language called Farsi.

Yes the Mesopotamian area was part of the Persian Empire when Cyrus conquered the Assyrians back in 6th century BC. Then starting in 633 AD a period known as the Islamic Conquest began, when the Arab Armies of the Islamic Caliphate engaged in a number of battles with Persian armies for the control of Mesopotamia. By 656 AD the Arab armies had conquered Persia and the whole area came under Islamic rule. Persians were forced to become Muslims and the Caliphate even tried to make the Arabic language the primary one spoken in the area. While Persians adopted Islam they held on to their language and culture. And they have always considered the Arab armies invaders.

The Ottoman Turks didn't even enter the scene until the 1500's and the British after WWI had ended.

all this history lesson cuz i mentioned hummus? Arabic people eat hummus too.
Please tell me, what does any of your .... matter to Lost?

Please don't talk down to me or anyone else here...i do understand well, your comment is very condescending, rude and not correct.

Persians are a separate group of people that came out of Central Asia to settle in the area which we call modern day Iran. Exactly, except that they also ruled Iraq and many other countries as well.

The empire as it was that Alexander conquered:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Achaemenid_Empire.jpg

at the time of the Arab invasions:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Califate_750.jpg
Isn't that the 2 rivers of Iraq in the middle of the Persian Empire?
Wasn't Baghdad their capital city during most of their rule?

the Ottomans did rule the entire area until the British broke up their Empire after WWI.
I know both Iranians and Iraqis that moved here, they refer to themselves as "Persians" as their ethic background.

"Sayid Jarrah was born in 1968 in Tikrit, Iraq (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Iraq_in_Lost)." OK, so the fictional character Sayid was born in a Arabic area of Iraq...I bet he eats hummus. lol!


The Clue gun is a revolver. Since there is no rifle in the game, it's the closest Colonel Mustard could get to holding a gun.

Exactly my point. a Handgun...not a rifle, or shotgun..

He's still identified as a hunter in many of the Clue game bios (http://boardgames.lovetoknow.com/Characters_of_the_Board_Game_Clue), so I'm not sure what you are arguing...:confused:

i'm not arguing, as i said in the first place;

i don't see why/how the mustard comment has anything to do with Clue? and it possibly being a handgun in the bag does not make it anything close to a "Clue" reference, much less Col. Mustard...a huge stretch at best.

and Exactly my point...hunters do not carry handguns to hunt with.

I GOT IT!!!

I Didn't Put Mustard On It
Is an anagram for <drumroll>

Rotund Pundit Admits It (seriously it is)


Hurley has something to confess!

but if Hurley made the sammich, why would it be Benry's duty to put mustard on it or not?
doesn't this imply that Benry made the sammich? and that was the whole 'message'?
that Benry Potter put whatever was in the bag there himself.
Juliet put toothpicks in her sammich's for Jack, so we know she didn't do it.

I actually like this "Sandwich with no mustard" meaning "Gun no bullets" thing. Even before I found out it could be a Clue reference. If mustard being code for bullets doesn't make sense, you should listen to some gangsta rap. I've heard dozens of different names for bullets and guns. Some are much sillier than mustard haha

BTW, I don't think anyone else mentioned that there was a security camera right behind Ben, just in case that's interesting to anyone.

Wow, i just found this on Wikipedia: Mustard gas was originally assigned the name LOST, after Lommel and Steinkopf, who first proposed the military use of sulfer mustard


that is indeed a wow

Maybe the mustard comment was just to show that once upon a time, young Ben was very thoughtful and eager to please.


but I think this is more likely

My question is, if you were Sayid, after you realize it's little Ben, would you eat the sandwich? I mean mustard would be the least of my worries.

Ben's Sweet & Hot Mustard (http://www.bensmustard.com/)

Maybe it was just product placement.

I didn't read the entire thread, so forgive me if this was already posted.

If someone gives you a sandwich and says it has no mustard and you take a bite and there is mustard on it, what do a lot of people do? They open the sandwich to check it. Perhaps something is hidden in the center of the sandwich.

I also like the idea from another post, that perhaps its a gun in the bag and "no mustard" means no bullets.

Who doesn't put mustard on a sandwich ?

I don't. Hate the stuff. In fact when Ben said that I thought "Aw, he was such a good boy". It being a code never occured to me. Not quite convinced it was a code yet.

I also like the idea from another post, that perhaps its a gun in the bag and "no mustard" means no bullets.

That's great. I will use that logic next time I go to an epidemic somewhere. I will bring the syringes and no vaccine. He might as well have carved a gun out of a bar of soap. If he was able to steal the gun, he could have gotten some bullets.
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Who doesn't put mustard on a sandwich ?

Me. Add me to the survey.

I actually like this "Sandwich with no mustard" meaning "Gun no bullets" thing. Even before I found out it could be a Clue reference. If mustard being code for bullets doesn't make sense, you should listen to some gangsta rap. I've heard dozens of different names for bullets and guns. Some are much sillier than mustard haha

BTW, I don't think anyone else mentioned that there was

a security camera right behind Ben, just in case that's interesting to anyone.

thanks Adam, i was the one who suggested that idea on an earlier page (maybe some others did as well?)
i'm not convinced or anything on it, but it DOES seem like Benry was trying to send a 'message' to Sayid with that comment, and the observation of a camera is great, it shows that Benry was trying to be subtle in what he said cuz he knew he was being watched.
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That's great. I will use that logic next time I go to an epidemic somewhere. I will bring the syringes and no vaccine. He might as well have carved a gun out of a bar of soap. If he was able to steal the gun, he could have gotten some bullets.

Gosh pascale...that just may be just what was going on..a soap gun! like in prison movies...that's actually a great idea! really!

as far as the other thing, i know some people who own guns put the bullets in a sep. place from the gun itself for safety's sake, esp'ly when they have kids in the house.

and in the context of Lost...Danielle took out the firing pin in her hubbies rifle.
and i believe Locke gave Jack and unloaded gun before.

Did Benry use this ruse himself before?

Gosh pascale...that just may be just what was going on..a soap gun! like in prison movies...that's actually a great idea! really!

Let me see, bar of soap versus unloaded gun. You are right. I would rather have the unloaded gun. Then again a lead pipe would do the same damage. Not quite as good as a loaded gun.

I am glad you got my prison movie reference. I was actually referring to "Take The Money and Run" by Woody Allen. Funny stuff.


as far as the other thing, i know some people who own guns put the bullets in a sep. place from the gun itself for safety's sake, esp'ly when they have kids in the house.


I understand the concept of separating the bullets from the gun for safety purposes. If Ben knew where the gun was, couldn't he find where the bullets were? He must have been searching around somewhere (his cabin) and found the gun. He also might have seen where his drunk dad put the gun away. Logically, if I had separated the gun and bullets, I would put them in the same structure (cabin/house) in case I needed to use the gun right away. The cabins are not big and would not take a long time to search for bullets if I needed them.

Let me see, bar of soap versus unloaded gun. You are right. I would rather have the unloaded gun. Then again a lead pipe would do the same damage. Not quite as good as a loaded gun.

I am glad you got my prison movie reference. I was actually referring to "Take The Money and Run" by Woody Allen. Funny stuff.


hee hee hee..."I got a gub'....when he robbed the bank.:)
then the soap gun foamed up as he was escaping and holding a guard hostage.

which is my point...even an empty 'gub' can scare people to do things...who wants to take a chance it's not loaded? at least in movies and TV shows...it doesn't work that way in real life...

I am glad you got my prison movie reference. I was actually referring to "Take The Money and Run" by Woody Allen. Funny stuff.


Ben probably put a gub in the bag.

I like mustard on my gubs...

which is my point...even an empty 'gub' can scare people to do things...who wants to take a chance it's not loaded? at least in movies and TV shows...it doesn't work that way in real life...

I can see your point about the empty 'gub'. You are also right that it does work better in the movies and TV then in real life. The again, I don't want to find out how well it works in real life. Hopefully I won't be in that situation.

It could be some kind of code but then again mabey young Ben says that because he doesn't know if everyone on the world likes mustered. But yes it was a strange thing to say.

scroll down to the youtube video....My new favorite 'nickname' "Benry Potter".

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20250233_20267651_4,00.html

That's hilarious~!

" I didn't put mustard on it "
Sayid bites into the sandwich. He pauses mid-chew.
" There is mustard on this sandwich "
Ben smirks. " I lied "
WHACK !!!!
An oar hits Ben full on the head as Sun stands their triumphant.
" Where did you get that oar from, Sun " asks Sayid.

" Hurleys gravy boat "


LOST

(Don't know how much of a spoiler this is, really, but in an abundance of caution...)

NO ONE would put mustard on a chicken salad sandwich!!!...I'm just sayin'...*cough* c-o-d-e *cough*

Great. Now I'm obsessed with mustard. What is this world coming to?

The chicken salad sandwich was Ben's second try to get him to eat, not the first...that was my understanding anyway.

Chickens are a recurring motif on LOST, too, though.

all this history lesson cuz i mentioned hummus? Arabic people eat hummus too.
Please tell me, what does any of your .... matter to Lost?

Please don't talk down to me or anyone else here...i do understand well, your comment is very condescending, rude and not correct.

Exactly, except that they also ruled Iraq and many other countries as well.

The empire as it was that Alexander conquered:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Achaemenid_Empire.jpg

at the time of the Arab invasions:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Califate_750.jpg
Isn't that the 2 rivers of Iraq in the middle of the Persian Empire?
Wasn't Baghdad their capital city during most of their rule?

the Ottomans did rule the entire area until the British broke up their Empire after WWI.
I know both Iranians and Iraqis that moved here, they refer to themselves as "Persians" as their ethic background.

"Sayid Jarrah was born in 1968 in Tikrit, Iraq (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Iraq_in_Lost)." OK, so the fictional character Sayid was born in a Arabic area of Iraq...I bet he eats hummus. lol!




Exactly my point. a Handgun...not a rifle, or shotgun..

Who is talking about Hummus? You were correcting another poster saying that all people call themselves Persian in that region and that's simply not true.

I don't talk down to anyone, I suggest looking in the mirror of you wan't to accuse someone for taking that tone. It seems you're a tad to sensitive to people's remarks. If you're you're going to act like a 12 year old just because someone happens to correct you, then you should stop correcting others.

Besides what exactly could you do even if I was talking down to you? Instead of throwing a little fit, I suggest growing up a little.

Also since you obviously need the history lesson, the Mesopotamia area has been under the rule of different empires, but Arabs became the dominant people, culture, and language there since a period known as the "Muslim Conquest."

That was when the first Caliphate declared war against the Byzantine and Sassanid (Persian) empires. Arab armies began their invasion from the Arabic Peninsula north into Mesopotamia.

In the Persian conquest, they tried the same thing in Persia/Iran and were only successful up to a point. Their brutal ways is one reason why Persians don't like being called Arabs, and there are many many differences between these two.

First and foremost is the fact Arabs come from the Arabic Pennisula, while Persians are from central Asian. Second is language, Arabs speak Arabic while Persians speak Farsi.

Arabs generally have Arabic/Islamic based names like "Sayid Jarrah" which is "Master" and "Vessel." Where Persians use Farsi names like "Arash."

The division of the Islam into Sunni and Shia was a split between Persians and Arabs as well.

Oh and the Iraq-Iran war was partly fueled from a combination of things one which was the long standing tension between Arabs and Persians as well as Sunni and Shia.

Shocking I know! But worth repeating since it's something you're having a hard time understanding.

Chickens are a recurring motif on LOST, too, though.
Certainly in this episode. Remember how it started.

My question is, if you were Sayid, after you realize it's little Ben, would you eat the sandwich? I mean mustard would be the least of my worries.
Exactly!!! lol! :eek2:

I just want to remind everyone, if there is a poster that is bothering you but not really breaking any rules, it is best to just add them to your ignore list. That way you won't have to see their posts anymore.