So, i'm under the impression that Kate is showing signs of being born in the 50's even though her date of birth is in 1977. Odd that that's the same year she's stuck in. I'm thinking along the lines that whoever she used to be has been seperated into 3 different people in the future. She was mentally seperated in Room 23 into the future bodies that we know as Kate, Jack and Hurley. They are able to retrieve memories from their past self, but unable to make sense of it all. My thing all 3 have in common is Ray Shepherd. Of course Jack knows him as his grandfather. Kate knows him as Ray, the farmer who found her in the sheep pen.... Ray the shepherd? And of course there's Hugo Reyes..... Or "Ray S."

I think that Anthony Coppers memories were sent into the body of James Ford, and he literally became the man he was looking for.

I think Room 23 plays a much bigger role into this than we've been shown so far.

Am I onto something or should I just put the dvd's away for a while?

Would that explain her affinity to Patsy Cline?

You may be nuts but at least it's interesting...I say the Lost police let you keep your dvds ... but they're watching you

I particularly like the Sawyer idea

Would that explain her affinity to Patsy Cline?

Thats the first thing that came to mind.


I think Room 23 plays a much bigger role into this than we've been shown so far.

Me too, im just hoping we see more of it !

Is Jack's grand dad really the same guy that found Kate in the barn?

Is Jack's grand dad really the same guy that found Kate in the barn?

i dont see a resemblance at all - but that doesnt necessarily discredit the rest of the theory

Is Jack's grand dad really the same guy that found Kate in the barn?

Well, its not necessarily the same guy in their memories, which we're seeing. But they all three have the same man central to them. Ray S. Their memories just can't pull the whole story out of their past.

As for Kate being from the 50's, there's the fact that she likes Patsy Cline, her Dad returned from Korea.... I know he may have been there on a military base in the 70's, but then why didn't his wife go with him? In the 50's she couldn't have gone with him since it was a war zone then. Also, Kate sewed her own drapes, something that isn't done too often now, but was in the late 60's when she would've had her own place.

I think it is an interesting idea, but I don't think your 1950s birth factors are very conclusive.

People still sew their own drapes. I can think of at least three reasons Kate might: to save money, she had awkwardly sized windows, and (if this was during her marriage to cop Kevin), she might have been trying to prove to herself that she could hack the domesticity thing. I concede that it is not necessarily common these days, but enought people still make their own drapes that I do not think it is determnative of being born during the Dona Reed era.

Personally, I think way more people enjoy old music than sew their own drapes. I was born in 1979, and I have a Patsy Cline album and a Johnny Cash album; I have them because I grew up listening to the music my parents played around the house. Patsy Cline was the popular country music that Kate's parents likely grew up with. In particular of all the genres, popular country music seems to have an incredibly long life on country radio stations (not that I'm an expert, but my dad listens to country radio a lot, and I swear, the same top 40 songs that were popular a decade ago still get regular play). People still listen to Beethoven - that doesn't mean they were born in the 1800s; enjoying the music of Benny Goodman or Louis Armstrong mean that you were born in the 1930s. Good resonates across all ages and times.

The point about Anne not going to the Korean base with her husband is more suggestive of either a prop error or a cover up then the idea that Kate was born 20 years earlier than she claims. Lostipedia speculates it was unlikely Sam Austin served during the actual Korean War because of his age and the lack of other indications of service in the Vietnam war. As for Sam's being "stationed" in Korea during the 1970s, maybe it was a cover for a black ops assignment? Perhaps a foray to a mysterious island? Maybe Anne just didn't want to travel? Of course, Lostipedia also points out that Sam is wearing a 6th Army patch, and the 6th hasn't been active since WWII. Prop error or screwy timeline revelation yet to come?

As for room 23 being an important factor in the story, well, who am I to critisize anyone for locking onto a story element that has only appeared once? I still think Desmond's conversation with his physacist friend in Flashes is going to factor in. :biggrin:

Regardless of my disagreement, thanks for a very thought provoking theory!

So, i'm under the impression that Kate is showing signs of being born in the 50's even though her date of birth is in 1977. Odd that that's the same year she's stuck in. I'm thinking along the lines that whoever she used to be has been seperated into 3 different people in the future. She was mentally seperated in Room 23 into the future bodies that we know as Kate, Jack and Hurley. They are able to retrieve memories from their past self, but unable to make sense of it all. My thing all 3 have in common is Ray Shepherd. Of course Jack knows him as his grandfather. Kate knows him as Ray, the farmer who found her in the sheep pen.... Ray the shepherd? And of course there's Hugo Reyes..... Or "Ray S."

I think that Anthony Coppers memories were sent into the body of James Ford, and he literally became the man he was looking for.

I think Room 23 plays a much bigger role into this than we've been shown so far.

Am I onto something or should I just put the dvd's away for a while?


Not sure I agree with the theory as a whole, but I do find the linking of the names you mentioned very interresting and it might very well mean something. Also I can believe that room 23 has more to do with the show than we've been shown so far. It seemed a very elaborate set up for us to only see it as where they held Alex's boyfriend.

I think it is an interesting idea, but I don't think your 1950s birth factors are very conclusive.

People still sew their own drapes. I can think of at least three reasons Kate might: to save money, she had awkwardly sized windows, and (if this was during her marriage to cop Kevin), she might have been trying to prove to herself that she could hack the domesticity thing. I concede that it is not necessarily common these days, but enought people still make their own drapes that I do not think it is determnative of being born during the Dona Reed era.

Personally, I think way more people enjoy old music than sew their own drapes. I was born in 1979, and I have a Patsy Cline album and a Johnny Cash album; I have them because I grew up listening to the music my parents played around the house. Patsy Cline was the popular country music that Kate's parents likely grew up with. In particular of all the genres, popular country music seems to have an incredibly long life on country radio stations (not that I'm an expert, but my dad listens to country radio a lot, and I swear, the same top 40 songs that were popular a decade ago still get regular play). People still listen to Beethoven - that doesn't mean they were born in the 1800s; enjoying the music of Benny Goodman or Louis Armstrong mean that you were born in the 1930s. Good resonates across all ages and times.

The point about Anne not going to the Korean base with her husband is more suggestive of either a prop error or a cover up then the idea that Kate was born 20 years earlier than she claims. Lostipedia speculates it was unlikely Sam Austin served during the actual Korean War because of his age and the lack of other indications of service in the Vietnam war. As for Sam's being "stationed" in Korea during the 1970s, maybe it was a cover for a black ops assignment? Perhaps a foray to a mysterious island? Maybe Anne just didn't want to travel? Of course, Lostipedia also points out that Sam is wearing a 6th Army patch, and the 6th hasn't been active since WWII. Prop error or screwy timeline revelation yet to come?

As for room 23 being an important factor in the story, well, who am I to critisize anyone for locking onto a story element that has only appeared once? I still think Desmond's conversation with his physacist friend in Flashes is going to factor in. :biggrin:

Regardless of my disagreement, thanks for a very thought provoking theory!

I'm ok, with disagreements, even more so when someone debates things rationally like you did, rather than some of the rude babble I read on here, but anyhoo...
I agree that each factor I brought up doesn't stand well on its own, but when you add all them together it makes a better case.
I listen to a lot of old music as well, but that's not all I listen to. I find it strange that Kate ALWAYS listens to Patsy Cline.
Juliet Listens to Petulia Clark on the radio on the way to Mittelos Labs. While I was under the impression on first viewing that she was listening to an oldies station, if her memories were manipulated she may have originally been listening to a pop station in the 60's.

If what is happening on the island is what I am being led to believe is, then i'm sure that either,

1. While the current others are with Richard, the future others are in the temple.
2. The 815ers are future Dharma people before the purge happened.
3. Some sort of combination of the above two.

I'm not exactly sure how to explain it correctly, but I think I'm onto something.