Okay...some questions ( with probably no answers yet)

1) When did the encounter take place?
2) why was Ilana in a grubby Russin hospital?
Jacob's encounter with her seems different from the others - they seem to already know each other. Is she maybe a "native"?

I am so confused at this point.....and many months before even a hint at some answers

Okay...some questions ( with probably no answers yet)

1) When did the encounter take place?
2) why was Ilana in a grubby Russin hospital?
Jacob's encounter with her seems different from the others - they seem to already know each other. Is she maybe a "native"?

I am so confused at this point.....and many months before even a hint at some answers

Well, I doubt she was a native to the Island because I think Richard would have recognized her. As far as the when goes, it's probably not too long before we see her on the Island. Long enough to heal and get together with the rest of her folks.

I think by the looks of the equipment and the room she was in, that he met her long ago and maybe she just lately had to help with locke and ajira.

Seems pretty sure we'll be getting her backstory next season. Maybe her character will be the vehicle to fill in some of the blanks on Jacob.

Forgive me for misspelling her name but the search feature is not available at the moment.

That said just who is this woman and what is her relationship to Jacob? We see her in a hospital in damaged condition and Jacob asked her to help again. Was she injured trying to stop Widmore's agent that Naomi took Miles too? Or was it something we have not seen?

Is she an off=island warrior for Jacob or just another lab rat?

I don't know but I LOVE her ^^

She has the ways of a warrior, definitely, and also, she seems to be alied or probably in love with Jacob (nobody expected that one right?)

She is gonna have a major performance in season 6 most definitely!

And, Im starting to believe, she's the good people :s

Yeah, I found that one of the more intriguing aspects of the episode...

I just keep thinking that they had her face covered for a reason. Granted it could be for when the Ben body dropped happened and Richard knew the answer but it seemed like maybe she didn't look like she does now. It didn't seem to be that big a reveal that she worlked for Jacob so why hide who she was for an hour?

I don't know but I LOVE her ^^

She has the ways of a warrior, definitely, and also, she seems to be alied or probably in love with Jacob (nobody expected that one right?)

She is gonna have a major performance in season 6 most definitely!

And, Im starting to believe, she's the good people :s

I got the impression as well that they had a past together, maybe romantic on her side but he was trapped perhaps, unable to have a future with her.
The wraps look like somthing a burn would cause.
Maybe there are other battles elsewhere that Jacob's followers are fighting on his behalf that we don't know about.

Okay...some questions ( with probably no answers yet)

1) When did the encounter take place?
2) why was Ilana in a grubby Russin hospital?
Jacob's encounter with her seems different from the others - they seem to already know each other. Is she maybe a "native"?

I am so confused at this point.....and many months before even a hint at some answers.

Well, I doubt she was a native to the Island because I think Richard would have recognized her. As far as the when goes, it's probably not too long before we see her on the Island. Long enough to heal and get together with the rest of her folks.




It might have been 2004 or earlier because Bram tried to recruit Miles at that time and it seems that Ilana is the leader.

ok..... this may sort of fly in the face of the beginning of the episode, with the insinuation that no-one has passed the "test of humanity" between Jacob and Easu, but its a bit of a gut feeling, coming from the Sayid comment about hiding in plain sight...

I feel that Llana maybe part of a group that either together, or she was the sole member of it, to pass the test in the, possibly distant, past. She has earned the trust of Jacob, and he has returned to her to ask for her help. She appears to be separate to Richards group, due to her and him not knowing each other, yet she is aware of the stature of Jacob, and is obviously prepared to act on her faith in him, despite being close to apparent death in the hospital.

Maybe she has passed this test, along with potentially others, yet Jacob and Easu need more than one succesfull guinea pig to prove a positive side to humanity.

I think that this whole loop is continual, that this test has appeared before with numerous participants. The flash at the end of the episode is not from the bomb being detonated (by being hit by a rock but surviving a massive drop!), but by the death of Jacob, which affects all those, regardless of the timeline that they are on simultaneously. Personally i dispute that Jacob is dead and that he has simply given Easu the impression of this, having been made aware of his plans, but i guess that that is for another thread. However, the continual attempts, failed, of Easu to break this cycle of groundhog day tests and to finally kill Jacob proper, would explain his line of how much he would like to kill him at the start of part one.

Llana is the lifeline brought in to either revive Jacob, cf to christlike resurrection. Alternatively, According to the Gospel of Matthew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew), after Jesus's resurrection, many of the dead saints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint) came out of their tombs and entered Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem), where they appeared to many. Maybe Llana was not quite as alive as we are lead to believe, and so at the point where she left the constraints of our world, she was brought to bear a final mission. Again, the gut feeling when i saw her and her party carrying the dead lock, kind of led me to think about the legendary Ark.

This otherworldly procession shows mercy, and many other positive morals on its journey (with the exception of knocking out Lupidus- sorry for poor spelling throughout!). It is converting those following a false idol/ leader, and guiding them back to the path that they should be on...

To clairfy the white light at the end was the end of this round of testing, not the bomb!

ok, trigger fingers ready, shoot me down guys!

Hmm, perhaps the flash is Jacob calling them all back to the present to fight the war? He did say theyre coming

Well she is the one that brought Sayid back on 316 under the guise of being a bounty hunter.

Then, he flashes to 77 and she doesn't.

Lotsa questions. And no Caesar to answer them.

Am I the only one who thought this scene took place after Chernobyl. I guess the hydrogen bomb on the Island and Ilana in a Russian hospital with burns took me there.

I wonder is she escaped a hit by Sayid, or at least Ben..... She's clearly a loner, connected to the big picture, and committed to Jacob's cause. Kind of like a Templar, or more appropriately, The Brotherhood of the Cruciform Sword from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

Oh my! I just thought of something while reading the entries on this thread. Jacob asked Ilana for her help.. and it seems that her task was to bring Sayid to the island. Why would Jacob want Sayid on the island except to kill young Ben!
But young Ben ended up being taken to the temple and his innocence sacrificed by someone/thing in there (Esau or maybe Jacob himself). Given that Ben is the one who ultimately kills him, was Jacob setting up his own death? Or was Jacob hoping that Ben would die as a child, and thus prevent his own death. Did Kate and Juliette's gesture to save young Ben foil Jacob's plans?
Did Smokey (Esau) win this round?:eek2::eek2::eek2:

Oh my! I just thought of something while reading the entries on this thread. Jacob asked Ilana for her help.. and it seems that her task was to bring Sayid to the island. Why would Jacob want Sayid on the island except to kill young Ben!
But young Ben ended up being taken to the temple and his innocence sacrificed by someone/thing in there (Esau or maybe Jacob himself). Given that Ben is the one who ultimately kills him, was Jacob setting up his own death? Or was Jacob hoping that Ben would die as a child, and thus prevent his own death. Did Kate and Juliette's gesture to save young Ben foil Jacob's plans?
Did Smokey (Esau) win this round?:eek2::eek2::eek2:

Hmm Ilana bringing Sayid to kill young Ben is an interesting thought and a good one but Jacob seemed to want Ben to kill him. I mean he definitely was goading Ben. Maybe Jacob wanted Sayid to shoot Ben and then have Juliet and Kate take him to the others so Ben could kill him in the future. Maybe Ben was the only person who could kill him. Either way I think you are on to something interesting.

Hmm Ilana bringing Sayid to kill young Ben is an interesting thought and a good one but Jacob seemed to want Ben to kill him. I mean he definitely was goading Ben. Maybe Jacob wanted Sayid to shoot Ben and then have Juliet and Kate take him to the others so Ben could kill him in the future. Maybe Ben was the only person who could kill him. Either way I think you are on to something interesting.
I'm not sure he wanted Ben to kill him, as much as accepted Ben's choice to kill him. He did, if you remember, stop him first and reminded him of that choice. When he said, 'what about you,' he was simply not excusing himself for his decision to not give Ben more attention for the past 35 years... as though that was his (Jacob's) choice.

Here's a link to an interesting blog speculating that Ilana represents the Egyptian goddess Sekhmet:

http://lostblog.com/2009/05/17/fueling-the-fire-an-ilana-jacob-theory/

Now that we know Jacob was making contact with the Losties before the crash, I wonder if Ilana's bruises were caused by some errand Jacob sent her to do that involves the Losties.

Something like: Jacob sending Ilana to spy on Kate at her house. As she approaches the house, suddenly it explodes and she flies all the way to Russia...
Or something that makes more sense..

Question is still out there.. why would Jacob want Ilana to bring Sayid back to the island, if not to kill young Ben? What other motive could there be?

Question is still out there.. why would Jacob want Ilana to bring Sayid back to the island, if not to kill young Ben? What other motive could there be?


Ze bomb?

Question is still out there.. why would Jacob want Ilana to bring Sayid back to the island, if not to kill young Ben? What other motive could there be?
Well, this is a question based on an assumption, right? I mean, Jacob could want Ilana's help with just something on the island, like delivering Locke's corpse to Richard. That could be all he wanted. Then the question of why she forced Sayid on to the plane may be just part of the equation of getting to the island in the first place. Sort of like knowing you have to go to Fiji to complete some mission, the unspoken requirement is you will have to get a plane ticket.

Not saying that Sayid wasn't part of Jacob's request, just pointing out that we don't necessarily have proof that he was. Ilana may have just co-opted the "get them all to go back" plan simply for her own travel requirements.



Side topic: Are we sure Ilana was in Russia? Or, more precisely, are we sure they were speaking russian? I know what Lostpedia says, but that's hardly proof. Just wondering if anyone can really confirm that was russian. Not that I'm an expert by a long shot, just that didn't quite sound like russian to me and it's been bugging me for awhile now.

Both me and my dad had the first sense that the woman in the bed was actually Nadia (we had just seen he accident, her bloodied ruined face, and then there is this woman with similar eyes and the rest of her face covered in bandages, a woman who will also become important to Sayid's journey. ) I'm not making any speculations here. If nothing else, it is just really good story telling, but the coincidence seemed very pertinent to me.

Ze bomb?
yes.. and yes also to just trying to get the flight as close to the 815.. but the bomb would be his specific purpose. Which could also mean that Jacob was counting on the bomb detonating. :eek2:

Both me and my dad had the first sense that the woman in the bed was actually Nadia (we had just seen he accident, her bloodied ruined face, and then there is this woman with similar eyes and the rest of her face covered in bandages, a woman who will also become important to Sayid's journey. ) I'm not making any speculations here. If nothing else, it is just really good story telling, but the coincidence seemed very pertinent to me.

Jacob calls her "Ilana".
100%
I just keep thinking that they had her face covered for a reason. Granted it could be for when the Ben body dropped happened and Richard knew the answer but it seemed like maybe she didn't look like she does now. It didn't seem to be that big a reveal that she worlked for Jacob so why hide who she was for an hour?

Jacob calls her Ilana in the hospital scene. There was no attempt to hide her identity.

Which could also mean that Jacob was counting on the bomb detonating. :eek2:

The losties blew up the bomb under the impression it would prevent the incident and stop them from ever having crashed. I'm under the impression the losties actually ensured they would crash on the island by doing that (Don't ask me how), WHH. Another case of pre-destination, ala the well rope Sawyer was left holding onto after the flash that took them away from John, and into a past in which the well had not yet been built.

It explains the concrete poured over everything near the hatch, it was to contain the radiation of the blast. Jacob was most certainly counting on the bomb exploding. Faraday was either wrong, was mislead, or was misleading the losties. I personally don't think he was being manipulative though, which makes his death all the more tragic. He died attempting to prevent it all happening, whilst all along actually ensuring it would.

Side topic: Are we sure Ilana was in Russia? Or, more precisely, are we sure they were speaking russian? I know what Lostpedia says, but that's hardly proof. Just wondering if anyone can really confirm that was russian. Not that I'm an expert by a long shot, just that didn't quite sound like russian to me and it's been bugging me for awhile now.

I can confirm that it was Russian. Not good Russian, but it was Russian. The nurse sounded like a native, though.

I hope we find out what she was doing there (wherever it was -- it could have been one of the former Soviet republics, and not necessarily Russia herself.)

Ilana isn't a typical Russian name, BTW, so I doubt they were suggesting that she was from there. There's 'Alyona' but that's a far cry from 'Ilana'.

I can confirm that it was Russian. Not good Russian, but it was Russian. The nurse sounded like a native, though.
Thanks, Kot. I work around a lot of different nationalities and thought it might be Polish (sorry Polish speakers) or one of the eastern blocks. But my expertice is basically like me being a janitor in the Louvre claiming to know something about art.
:laughing:

Anyway, nice to have some confirmation. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by StrangeBrew
The losties blew up the bomb under the impression it would prevent the incident and stop them from ever having crashed. I'm under the impression the losties actually ensured they would crash on the island by doing that (Don't ask me how),

IMO the white flash at the end of the episode wasn't the bomb exploding, it was "the incident" taking place, a massive release of electro-magnetic energy which may or may not jolt our 1977 losties back to 2007.

Correct me if im wrong(its been a while since I watched the season 2 finale) but as desmond turned the key underneath the hatch didnt we see a flash of white light then before the scene cut to outside to show the sky going purple?
Wasnt that a massive burst of electro-magnetic energy as well?

Just a thought!

Am I the only one who thought this scene took place after Chernobyl. I guess the hydrogen bomb on the Island and Ilana in a Russian hospital with burns took me there.

I didn't think that initially, I was thinking more Bosnia and that region, given her age range,and dialect...but Chernobyl would be very interesting as well, especially given the subject matter with the 77 storyline!

Oh my! I just thought of something while reading the entries on this thread. Jacob asked Ilana for her help.. and it seems that her task was to bring Sayid to the island. Why would Jacob want Sayid on the island except to kill young Ben!
But young Ben ended up being taken to the temple and his innocence sacrificed by someone/thing in there (Esau or maybe Jacob himself). Given that Ben is the one who ultimately kills him, was Jacob setting up his own death? Or was Jacob hoping that Ben would die as a child, and thus prevent his own death. Did Kate and Juliette's gesture to save young Ben foil Jacob's plans?
Did Smokey (Esau) win this round?:eek2::eek2::eek2:


^^ I totally think he set up his own death...that's why he told Ben so calmly that he "still had a choice".