I think that Jacob is really the bad guy. Since he is in charge of the others and the others killed all the Dharma group. What good guy would call for the slaughter of all those people?

And I think there are 2 lists. In the beginning the kids and the airline stewardess were taken because "they were on the list" This list being the others / Jacob's list, right?

When Jack was going to operate on Ben's back, Mr. Freindly said "you're going to let him operate on you? he's not even on the list" But clearly he IS on a list, as we've seen in the cave and in the lighhouse. F-Locke has showed us a list.

I also wonder if whom ever has been watching them in the lighthouse mirrors, was meddling with losties life, making it bad. Hurley with the bad luck, Locke loosing Helen and issues with his dad, Jack's marriage ending.....

But - with the island blown up, and these flash "sideways", the Losties lives are somewhat happier. Is that because Jacob was not able to meddle in their lives? And now Fake Locke brings Jack to the light house, knowing full well that he will break it and stop being able to meddle with people through the mirror? so...again, doing something good

I think that Jacob is really the bad guy. Since he is in charge of the others and the others killed all the Dharma group. What good guy would call for the slaughter of all those people?

And I think there are 2 lists. In the beginning the kids and the airline stewardess were taken because "they were on the list" This list being the others / Jacob's list, right?

When Jack was going to operate on Ben's back, Mr. Freindly said "you're going to let him operate on you? he's not even on the list" But clearly he IS on a list, as we've seen in the cave and in the lighhouse. F-Locke has showed us a list.

That's a valid argument, especially since we saw Richard as part of the Dharma purge, and he clearly seems to be a follower of Jacob. On the other hand, the MIB has also murdered and manipulated, and from the sound of it, the MIB is about to murder more people at the temple. It's hard to figure out who's good or bad or what that might look like on this island.

But - with the island blown up, and these flash "sideways", the Losties lives are somewhat happier. Is that because Jacob was not able to meddle in their lives? And now Fake Locke brings Jack to the light house, knowing full well that he will break it and stop being able to meddle with people through the mirror? so...again, doing something goodBut Flocke didn't bring Jack to the Lighthouse, Jacob did. It's all confusing, but I like it.

But Flocke didn't bring Jack to the Lighthouse, Jacob did. It's all confusing, but I like it.

dang it, you're right. I got confused. I remembered MIB saying to Sawyer that he's positive that he and Jacob had met in the past. That's what got me to thinking that Jacob was interfering by using the mirrors.

Was Jacob in the cabin? Why was he locked in the cabin? The ash ring kept him inside it...

Was Jacob in the cabin? Why was he locked in the cabin? The ash ring kept him inside it...

When the temple others heard that Jacob was dead, they placed the ash to protect the temple and keep something/someone out.

We saw Jacob's cabin was a special place protected by the ring of ash. We saw that the ash was disrupted, (possibly from Hurley???) and Christian was in there with Claire. Since we now know that MIB is friends with Claire, I wonder if MIB was using Christian's body before he switched to Locke's?

So the ash keeps MIB out? and that's why is was "jacob's cabin" because he couldn't get in there?

Maybe Jack wasn't on the list maybe it was his father!
Or may be he was added later...

That's what confuses me also!

When real-live Locke wanted to go see Jacob, Ben (and Richard??) brought him to the cabin which was MIB not Jacob.

Why would he/they do that unless they thought they were following Jacob when all along they were following MIB.

Richard knew that Jacob was at the foot of the statue but Ben thought Jacob has at the cabin. I have to go back and watch that episode to see who actually told Locke that Jacob was in the cabin, Ben or Richard.....

Or, conversely, that was MiB in the cabin. I'm thinking Jacob was never in the cabin, and the Others therefore were unwittingly getting orders from MiB.

In the lighthouse episode, it looks like Sheppard was either written by someone else or written over somebody's name......
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Or, conversely, that was MiB in the cabin. I'm thinking Jacob was never in the cabin, and the Others therefore were unwittingly getting orders from MiB.

I agree, I think the temple others were followers of the real Jacob while Richard's others were unwittingly followers of MIB.......

It also explains the playful way in which Flocke was saying "Jacob never told you this?" I could just detect the hint of a smile on his lips.

The only problem with this is that he suddenly knew where to go when he was taking Flocke to see Jacob (the statue). I can't seem to explain that with my theory.

It also explains the playful way in which Flocke was saying "Jacob never told you this?" I could just detect the hint of a smile on his lips.

The only problem with this is that he suddenly knew where to go when he was takiTng Flocke to see Jacob (the statue). I can't seem to explain that with my theory.


That and also the way he seemed to be someone upset and insulted that Richard never followed him. Like Richard had an option of who to follow in the very beginning and he choose Jacob over MIB.

I think we really need to see Richard's back story to get a lot of background detail.....

I still think Ben was the man behind the purge of the Dharma folks. When talking to Jack alone in "Through the Looking Glass" he says "Not too long ago, Jack, I made a decision that took the lives of over forty people in a single day." (referring to the Dharma purge)

We also know Ben gave Klugh a list to give to Michael that included Jack, Sawyer, Kate, and Hurley. These were for manipulation purposes to get Jack to do the surgery.

As for flight 815 (both fuselage and tale sections), Ben told Ethan and Goodwin "I want lists in three days" or something like that. He could've given the lists to Jacob and/or Richard who finalized the list though- that's where it gets more involved.

Ben knew who was on Jacob's list and relayed that information to others like Pickett who said "Shephard wasn't on Jacob's list."

Overall, I think Ben had lists for his own reasons but Jacob's list is the ultimate list.

I'm still completely on the fence about this issue.

Whether it was Jacob or his Nemesis in the cabin, whoever it was said to Locke, "Help me."

If we think it's Nemesis because of the circle of ash (or because we saw Claire and Christian Shephard there), that puts him in a more sympathetic light; almost as though he's the good guy and Jacob had imprisoned him.

Every time I think I have a theory or a glimpse of the big picture, I remember another conflicting detail.

As for the purge...
Dharma had built a secret gas factory (Tempest) to kill the hostiles (including Jacob).

Consider that the others had tolerated Dharma for well over the agreed upon truce date for withdrawl, even in the face of Multiple truce violations and planned genocide.

Id say Ben's solution was somewhat justified.

MIB on the other hand DID kill Locke, and has tricked his way to the top, having to be warned not to kill again, because even the "rules" dont seem to matter to him.

By the time of the Purge, DHARMA had overstayed their allotted time on the island according to the truce by a few years. Also, according to the truce, they couldn't dig very far into the ground (which they disobeyed with the Swan). DHARMA was just being thick-skulled.