Seemed very odd.

Great line though: "Now why'd you go and do that?"

Sounded like something the real Locke would have said....

No blood though, which was interesting since when Ben stabbed Jacob there was blood all over the place.

I thought the bullets went through FLocke and bounced off the wall behind him.

I thought it was because the knife didn't have the same force as a bullet. Assuming Flocke doesn't have a real corporeal human form, think of his body like a bag of sand. If you plunge a knife into a bag of sand, it'll only go as far as you push it. If you shoot a bag of sand on the otherhand, the bullet will likely pass through like Flocke's body.

Based off the bullet on the ground we saw, I thought it was to imply that the bullet directly hit Flocke, but just bounced off. The bullet was smashed in at the tip, like it had hit something impenetrable.

It's because that's the knife that can kill him. It's really not any more complicated than that.

It's because that's the knife that can kill him. It's really not any more complicated than that.

I think someone should ask for a refund on the knife, cause it ain't working!!!!

The knife did seem special, but if it didn't do it's job, what's the point? If Dogen has this "magic" knife, then why did he wait this whole time before trying to kill him???

I thought the bullets went through FLocke and bounced off the wall behind him.

Me too. That's why they were distorted, they hit the wall behind him. The knife went in, but there was not a drop of blood.

Locke is not made of flesh and blood. Therefore he CAN'T be killed by conventional means.
He is just a bunch of particles rearraning together to look like a person that has been dead for a while.
Does that sound nanotechnology or what????

Flocke let himself be stabbed to make a point. (Pun intended) There was nothing special about the knife. Dogen sent Sayid out to get killed.

I think the knife went in so Smocke could say that line. Seriously.

Flocke let himself be stabbed to make a point. (Pun intended) There was nothing special about the knife. Dogen sent Sayid out to get killed.

Then why did Claire say send someone he won't kill?

Flocke let himself be stabbed to make a point. (Pun intended) There was nothing special about the knife. Dogen sent Sayid out to get killed.

I agree. Also the knife bouncing off flocke wouldn't have the same dramatic effect as watching him pull it out of his own chest :biggrin:

I think someone should ask for a refund on the knife, cause it ain't working!!!!

The knife did seem special, but if it didn't do it's job, what's the point? If Dogen has this "magic" knife, then why did he wait this whole time before trying to kill him???

I don't understand the confusion. Dogen said that Sayid had to plunge the knife in before Flocke spoke. Once he speaks it will be too late.

Flocke appeared. Flocke spoke. Sayid stabbed him. But, by then, as Dogen said, it was already too late.

There is that point. I just took it to mean don't let him start his line on you. But that makes perfect sense.

Dogen couldn't have expected Sayid to stab Flocke in the chest before he was able to utter a single word, especially if he thought Sayid was compromised.

My favorite scene of the night! I don't think he's flesh and blood any more and Dogen knew that.

Dogen never expected sayid to kill Flocke, he just wanted Sayid dead. That's why he attacks him in the previous fight scene. Also in that scene he explains exactly why he wants sayid dead. So I don't believe there was any magical properties about that knife.

Yeah, the knife seemed to work perfectly well on Lennon! So, I don't think the knife was magical or anything like that.

Im suspecting they have an "Achilles" or weak spot on them.

UnLocke told Sayid "Why did you stab me ...........in the Chest"
even specified chest. Im thinking there is another spot on him that can kill him.

Im suspecting thier weak spot is the Chakra of the element that they are representing.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm160/bradman25/LOST/chakrassystem.jpg

Unlocke might need to be stabbed in the upper abdomin or solar plexus....
Im thinking Unlocke is FIRE at this point ..thus the Manapura Chakra (Solar plexus)........not the chest or heart, that would be the AIR Chakra.

confusing thou..........It seems that Jacob is WATER (in season 6) and the WATER Chakra is near the lower abdomin

In Season 5, Ben stabbed Jacob in the chest and close to his heart....which is the AIR Chakra. and Jacob was killed.

could perhaps Jacob have been AIR at the time?


or I could be way off lol

I don't understand the confusion. Dogen said that Sayid had to plunge the knife in before Flocke spoke. Once he speaks it will be too late.

Flocke appeared. Flocke spoke. Sayid stabbed him. But, by then, as Dogen said, it was already too late.

I agree with this. He was told he had to stab him before he spoke. He didn't.

I do believe Claire was speaking to NotLocke when she said that. I was assuming Claire meant why is NotLocke sending her to speak with Dogen and why not send Sawyer or someone else to speak with Dogen because Dogen was more likely to kill her than Sawyer.

Locke is not made of flesh and blood. Therefore he CAN'T be killed by conventional means.
He is just a bunch of particles rearraning together to look like a person that has been dead for a while.
Does that sound nanotechnology or what????

Oh Fierro, you're just kidding right? ;)
That old theory was dismissed seasons ago by TPTB, and we know smokie is centuries old.
(BTW, Yes, it does, I read "Prey" as well)


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Im suspecting they have an "Achilles" or weak spot on them.

UnLocke told Sayid "Why did you stab me ...........in the Chest"
even specified chest. Im thinking there is another spot on him that can kill him.

Im suspecting thier weak spot is the Chakra of the element that they are representing.

Very interesting...likely correct. But Dogen did tell him to stab his chest, like he knew where to strike him.
and why wasn't Dogen's knife tipped with the anti-smokie ash poison?

Maybe, like a zombie, Col. Evil needs to have his head cut off.

I thought the bullets went through FLocke and bounced off the wall behind him.

I agree that was my impression as well. Why FLocke dodged or ducked is beyond me though...

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Locke is not made of flesh and blood. Therefore he CAN'T be killed by conventional means.
He is just a bunch of particles rearraning together to look like a person that has been dead for a while.
Does that sound nanotechnology or what????

It does indeed, but then, why can he only replicate dead bodies? Like, why not take the form of Jack?

-ik

[QUOTE]Oh Fierro, you're just kidding right?
That old theory was dismissed seasons ago by TPTB, and we know smokie is centuries old.
(BTW, Yes, it does, I read "Prey" as well)[/QUOTE

Ok. I was 'kind' of kidding. They have also 'debunked' several theories that in one way or another got their way into the show (time travel, cloning (Locke, and I KNOW it is not biologic cloning but STILL!), etc...
They also said, regarding the nanotech part, that it all depended on how you defined nanotechnology or something like that....

[quote=iklimon;2292897]I agree that was my impression as well. Why FLocke dodged or ducked is beyond me though...

-ik
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I thought the "dodging" was him getting knocked back from the force of the bullet. That would imply it bounced off him... This is a question someone needs to ask Darlton, though I guess it doesn't matter in the long run. He's immune to bullets is the real point. :cool:

for dramatic effect

it would of looked pretty silly if Sayid plunges the knife towards him only to have it glance off Locke's chest, causing sayid to sprain his wrist.

I agree with this. He was told he had to stab him before he spoke. He didn't.

:undecide: Hmm, I really don't think he meant that literally. I think he meant it was too late if he let Flocke start talking, because then he would convince him to join him.

The knife coming out blood free was the intersting point for me since I didn't think Sayid would be able to kill Flocke. I saw it more of a Free Will nod as well as a Destiny nod. Sayid believes that he can choose his Fate, that he has Free Will. Dogan tells Sayid that if there really still is good in him, he can choose to plung the knife into Flocke. But Miles had already told Sayid that the Others didn't bring him back to life--something else did. Miles makes a point of saying that Sayid wasn't just dead but dead dead dead for two hours, so Sayid's signing up for Team Flocke based on the idea of joining forces with something that brings back the dead (Nadia) makes sense. Sayid's Destiny was to be "infected" and choose Team Flocke even though he stuck a dagger into Flocke's chest.

This whole plan seemed to me simply Dogan's means to get rid of Sayid. Sayid was "infected" and Jack hadn't made our favorite Iraqi take the poison pill, so having Sayid inside the Temple with Smokey coming (with Jacob dead, Dogan knew Smokey was coming) was a bad plan. Sayid's Destiny was sealed when Dogan used the hot poker, but Dogan had told Jack (previous episode) that while options could be exercised, choosing certain options meant that other things were bound to happen.

Sayid plunged the knife into Flocke and there is no blood because life is in the blood. Flocke has told Sawyer that he (Flocke) is dead, so watching that scene where Dogan tells Sayid what to do seemed a set-up because thinking that a knife would kill Flocke made no sense.

I actually wondered if the hidden knife was actually Dogan's backup plan for himself, a Japanese way to end his own life with honor. That he gave the knife to Sayid may have been a way to let Sayid prove that there was still good in him, to choose to kill himself, to fall on the sword so to speak, rather than to join Team Flocke.

As for the bullets in the Statue, I also thought that they passed through Flocke, but there weren't any holes in his shirt the way there was with the knife. But I can chalk that up to prop error if that turns out to be true. Richard knew enough to know that bullets and Flocke were not a good idea, and as High Priest Guy of the Temple, Dogan had to know that a knife wouldn't work.

Maybe Richard realized that the idea of "eternal life" would seem too tempting to the people who shot Flocke and realized he didn't die. It would make his offer of bestowing a person's "heart's desire" much more plausible since it would be obvious that they were dealing with something supernatural. That Sayid was already infected may have meant that Dogan knew that Sayid couldn't choose to use the knife on himself, that Flocke would dangle the bait of eternal life in front of Sayid and that Sayid would bite. That may also explain why Dogan was so sad when Sayid came back--Dogan knew that Destiny had done Her job.

I do believe Claire was speaking to NotLocke when she said that. I was assuming Claire meant why is NotLocke sending her to speak with Dogen and why not send Sawyer or someone else to speak with Dogen because Dogen was more likely to kill her than Sawyer.Nope, Claire was speaking to Dogen when she said that line.

DOGEN: If he wants to see me, then tell him to come in. CLAIRE: No, he wants you to go to him. He's waiting outside beyond the outer wall.
DOGEN: I'm not a fool. If I step outside this temple, he'll kill me.
CLAIRE: Well, then maybe you should send someone he won't kill.
I think you're thinking of when NotLocke was telling her she had to be the one to go into the temple.
[Claire stands with Locke outside the ring of ash that encircles the temple]
LOCKE: Are you ready?
CLAIRE: Why does it have to be me? I mean, you could send Sawyer or Jin or... do it yourself...
LOCKE: If I could do it myself I wouldn't be asking you, Claire.

Nope, Claire was speaking to Dogen when she said that line.


I think you're thinking of when NotLocke was telling her she had to be the one to go into the temple.
You're right I found part of the transcript up at Lostpedia and have been trying to find the post that I made that comment in to say I was wrong. I found it! ;)

You're right I found part of the transcript up at Lostpedia and have been trying to find the post that I made that comment in to say I was wrong. I found it! ;)
lol I went for the transcript too, because I couldn't remember either! :biggrin: I thought she was talking to Dogen, but I couldn't remember what was said in that scene with Flocke. That's why I posted both bits.

lol I went for the transcript too, because I couldn't remember either! :biggrin: I thought she was talking to Dogen, but I couldn't remember what was said in that scene with Flocke. That's why I posted both bits.
I just checked MyMedia-forum and the whole Sundown (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2895848&postcount=1) transcript is up now. I've have to go read the rest.