Where is Richard in the Alt? Did he not make it off the lsland when jug head went off? :confused:

Richard was born in the 1830's (or thereabouts). So he would be long-dead in the parallel.

Richard was born in the 1830's (or thereabouts). So he would be long-dead in the parallel.

Why? The island existed until dharma times. Maybe he dead in the incident, no more island, no more inmortality.

Why? The island existed until dharma times. Maybe he dead in the incident, no more island, no more inmortality.

Exactly. Everything in the alt timeline is exactly the same up until 1977.

Exactly. Everything in the alt timeline is exactly the same up until 1977.


Really? For some reason i didn't get that. I would assume that most of the LOST characters had been born before 1977, so i guess in 1977 their life went a different direction (according to what you;re saying). But what about Hurley, Miles and Kate - how old are they? They don't seem older than 33.

Exactly. Everything in the alt timeline is exactly the same up until 1977.You're making quite the assumption, there.

Never mind "Where is Richard in the Alt"... where is Richard on the Island?

He ran away with Miles and Ben episodes ago, where are the cavalry when you need them?

Why? The island existed until dharma times..

I dunno if thats true. The underwater island could be 'our' island and I liked the idea of Ben's dad talking about the island was him 'remembering' the other island and ben didnt correct him because he thinks hes delusional.

I really dont think the bomb caused the sideways, I think its caused by something in the finale

Something else that doesn't seem right is Claire.

In an earlier sideflash, Claire had her baby with Kate. She was still pregnant at the hospital with Jack.

Is the timeline messed up or are we seeing it out of order? :confused:

Something else that doesn't seem right is Claire.

In an earlier sideflash, Claire had her baby with Kate. She was still pregnant at the hospital with Jack.

Is the timeline messed up or are we seeing it out of order? :confused:

Claire did not have her baby with Kate. Ethan Rom/Goodspeed said he could deliver it or could stop it for the time being, and Claire opted not to have it yet.

I believe they are delaying Aaron's birth for some very specific reasons..
I was wondering if it could be possible for Aaron be born at the same time MiB dies?

I don't know how that could work, timelines are not in synch.... But it makes you wonder, doesn't it????

Things aren't the same. If the plane doesn't crash, then Ben doesn turn the FDW. If the FDW isn't turned, the castaways don't travel through time. If they don't travel through time, they change the past and create a new time line.

I'm expecting alt-Frank to show up aswell, not sure what his role would be though?

Why? The island existed until dharma times. Maybe he dead in the incident, no more island, no more inmortality.

Okay, okay. We still don't know for sure if this is true, and I'm not invested either way. We haven't seen Juliet or Lapidus in the parallel either, so not seeing Richard isn't indicative of anything yet.

Okay, okay. We still don't know for sure if this is true, and I'm not invested either way. We haven't seen Juliet or Lapidus in the parallel either, so not seeing Richard isn't indicative of anything yet.

I dont know when the timelines split and why, but I know that the island existed (over water) in the ALT universe until some time near the 70´s or 80´s.

The ALT could be simply what happens if Jacob doesn't/can't get involved in any of their lives. Maybe he doesn't take the deal that lands him as protector of the island or whatever reason. This means Richard never gets his deal and dies long ago in ALT.

Exactly how long can you stop a pregnancy that has come to term? This goes to timeline confusion again. Locke having at least been at the school for ten days, and having spent at least a night in hospital. Desmond having hit Locke after meeting with Claire...I guess right after, thinking about it now, as Jack got called from the Lawyer's office like twelve seconds.....wait!

How could Desmond be waiting around for a long time in front of the school to hit Locke if he JUST left the lawyer's office to drop off Claire?????

Something definitely is not right here. good call.

Okay, okay. We still don't know for sure if this is true, and I'm not invested either way. We haven't seen Juliet or Lapidus in the parallel either, so not seeing Richard isn't indicative of anything yet.

Juliet is going to turn out to be Jack's ex wife, David's mother. That's my prediction.

Juliet is going to turn out to be Jack's ex wife, David's mother. That's my prediction.

I totally agree.

I totally agree.

At this point, the fact that we still don't know who is jack's wife is very suspicious and i agree it points to Juliet!;)

I'm expecting alt-Frank to show up aswell, not sure what his role would be though?

taking them all back to the island? Perhaps the plane was supposed to crash where it did, but what was wrong was the island. What if it was never supposed to have been there?

Of course, we still have Ajira Flight 316....

Exactly how long can you stop a pregnancy that has come to term? This goes to timeline confusion again. Locke having at least been at the school for ten days, and having spent at least a night in hospital. Desmond having hit Locke after meeting with Claire...I guess right after, thinking about it now, as Jack got called from the Lawyer's office like twelve seconds.....wait!

How could Desmond be waiting around for a long time in front of the school to hit Locke if he JUST left the lawyer's office to drop off Claire?????

Something definitely is not right here. good call.

Human gestation is 40 weeks and Ethan (Dr. Goodspeed) told Claire she was at 36 weeks and 80% effaced--without drugs to stop contractions she'd deliver a premature baby. She chose the drugs and barring another shock to her system should be able to carry the baby to term in approx. four weeks from 815 landing.

How do you get Locke working at the school for 10 days? I don't recall any evidence of how long he'd worked there, and in fact my impression was that he was just beginning that job.

What makes you think Des 'hit-and -runned' Locke after meeting up with Claire? Couldn't he have done that shortly before he arrived at the Sweetzer building? That would put the timing of Jack's call from the hospital just about right.

ON the Locke question, I misspoke. Locke had been home for at least ten days....Though I would say it would take a darn sight longer for him to be accepted as a substitute teacher in the public school system than the one day I attribute to it.

Even if Des did hit Locke before he went to see Claire at the office, he would have had to strike the guy, and then drive to the building, wait around for Claire to show up and get her upstairs before the ambulance could get Locke to the hospital and they could assess that they needed to call in Jack. That's a pretty tight timeline, if'n you ask me.

maybe Locke gets his Legs back and him and alt Jack along with a few others fly back to the island...Locke said he was a pilot. So they go back but instead get send thousands of years back in the past...and the alt selves were there first :o....just a crazy idea at this point anything seems possible

The split universe needs to be curse corrected, like in Donnie Darko, is only there for the Losties. Maybe is a backup.

I dunno if thats true. The underwater island could be 'our' island and I liked the idea of Ben's dad talking about the island was him 'remembering' the other island and ben didnt correct him because he thinks hes delusional.

I really dont think the bomb caused the sideways, I think its caused by something in the finale


Wha? Ben's father is "delusional"? When did the show refer to that? I thought, the whole point of that conversation was to tell us that in alt time Ben had been there but, they didn't stay on it. I didn't see any kind of condescension or irritation or anything else for that matter on Ben's face when his father said that.

Correct me if I am wrong.

I dunno if thats true. The underwater island could be 'our' island and I liked the idea of Ben's dad talking about the island was him 'remembering' the other island and ben didnt correct him because he thinks hes delusional.

I really dont think the bomb caused the sideways, I think its caused by something in the finale
Has anybody ever suggested that the simple fact of Flocke LEAVING the island is what might cause the sideways?

At this point, the fact that we still don't know who is jack's wife is very suspicious and i agree it points to Juliet!;)

But... but... Juliet is busy trying to overthrow the "V"s. Hmmm maybe that's why she's never around in the alt. :biggrin:

I dont know when the timelines split and why, but I know that the island existed (over water) in the ALT universe until some time near the 70´s or 80´s.
This is true since Ben and his father referenced it. However, without Sawyer there to put that rope in the ground at the well spot, it might have changed things long before Richard got there. Consider that Sawyer was hanging on to that rope just before they all turned around and gaped at the statue standing there. Richards arrival knocked the statue down, so that event with Sawyer, Juliet, Miles and Jin took place prior to Richard getting to the island. How much before we don't know.

Hey Roy!!!! Interesting idea! The rope in the ground led the original inhabitants to investigate what was down there. Now that kind of time travel fallout is the kind I like.

Hey Roy!!!! Interesting idea! The rope in the ground led the original inhabitants to investigate what was down there. Now that kind of time travel fallout is the kind I like.
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I can't take credit for it. Someone else has called it out this season in one of the many "when did it split" discussions that seem to be this years version of the WHH arguments we had last year. But it is an interesting point.

What's even crazier is that when those four turned and did their "would'ja look at that" thing (someone's avatar around here), John Locke was several hundred feet under them having a chat with Christian about the FDW. So I guess at least that is off the table for time-travel-disruptus. The FDW is always there regardless.

On the "Locke was talking to Christian" thing. I am sure it was covered back in the day..But that FDW room must exist in it's own timeline as it was still off it's axis and Christian was there, even though it was, at most,1867 when the conversation occured.

Well we did have two Miles just a few yards from each other in '77. The FDW being off it's axis causing the island to bounce around in time could mean there were two islands at several points in time. Who knows what the ramifications of that might be. Perhaps we had island co-location in space/time which can't be at the sub-atomic level and whoosh, there's our split.

But anyway, back to Richard. My point was that island history was changed at a probably a basic level prior to Richard arriving. Since Jacob seemed to give him a job on a whim, I don't think it would take much to change that particular character course. No well leading to the FDW might have somehow lead to Jacob not getting his morning cup of joe and instead of three dunks in the ocean he went with one long forth one and no more Richard.

1867 Richard looked 40ish. Around that point in time males expected life span is what? 50 tops? Not that that matters much. He ain't making it to 2004 without Jacob intervention.

But more important is that perhaps no rope in the well somehow equals no more long living Jacob. And hence no more long living Richard. TPTB have said that the island being underwater is to show that the losties effected more than just themselves with the incident. I would guess that Richard is a casualty of that somehow.