Hey Everyone,
I'm glad to see the Fuselage back up and running. Also very glad to have new Lost to discuss. One thing that jumped out to me, is that the Others have taken blood from Jack, Kate, And Michael. I don't remember seeing a mark on Sawyer's arm, but they could have taken his blood as well. Maybe there is something special about the Losties DNA??? Maybe they injected them with something, instead of taking their blood? Juliet did say that the Others gave Jack a medicine that would make him hallucinate?? I would love to hear any theories about why they want their blood??

I don't think they wanted their blood, they just gave them some drugs to knock them out so they could bring them to their various new homes.

I got the impression that it was a place where an IV had been inserted.

i thought it would be for drwing blood. if it was for an IV there would be no reason to feed them because it would act as the sustenance

my guess is that the others want to see if certain behaviors are associated with certain blood types... maybe?

I'd say no since they werent expecting the plane crash, but damn, they got all the info on Jack really fast, so who knows?

I got the impression that it was a place where an IV had been inserted.

I agree, it did seem to be some type of IV mark. I wonder what they have been giving them. However we did see them take blood from Michael, so it is a possibility that they took some of their blood thru the IV area.

I assumed it was an IV that contained drugs to keep them under for however long they needed them to be out. They would have received sustenance but they would still be feeling pretty damn crappy after waking up.

my guess is that the others want to see if certain behaviors are associated with certain blood types... maybe?

I'd say no since they werent expecting the plane crash, but damn, they got all the info on Jack really fast, so who knows?

It blew me away how fast they were able to collect so much info on Jack, without having caused the plane crash. I really thought that the Others indirectly caused the crash, and that was why they were able to know so much about the Losties. Now as you said who knows.

My two going theories are that either it is all just part of their profiling of the people and/or they are looking for something very specific like a rare blood type for medical purposes.

It looks like they took blood samples. Why? Who knows! This show is freaking me out.

hopefully its a drug to get rid of jacks ocd...

It blew me away how fast they were able to connect so much info on Jack, without having caused the plane crash. I really thought that the Others indirectly caused the crash, and that was why they were able to know some much about the Losties. Now as you said who knows.

They've had the losties names for over a month, it would take a decent investigator way less time than that to put together profiles.

It blew me away how fast they were able to connect so much info on Jack, without having caused the plane crash. I really thought that the Others indirectly caused the crash, and that was why they were able to know some much about the Losties. Now as you said who knows.

They weren't expecting the crash...there's nothing saying they weren't expecting the plane itself...especially if it was meant to land somewhere nearby. That plane was really low when it broke up.

As to getting info on them...well, there's two possibilities. First, it's been two months since the crash and maybe they have an outside source. Maybe they had the information before hand. Second, maybe Smokie collects information from those who have seen it. I've never believed Jack when he said in the pilot ep that he didn't see the monster. No one else has admitted to seeing it either.

Okay, let's keep in mind that by the time the Jack, Kate, and Sawyere were captured they had gained quite a bit of information on the Survivors. It had been 40 some days since the plan had crashed. They get a list from Goodwin, they compare that list with any flight manifest out of Sydney and they've got the whole list. From there they can begin to dig deeper into the background.
Regarding the "shots". They're either took something, put something in, or did nothing and allow the markings to act as a placebo. The one thing I kept in mind during the whole show was "don't trust any of the Others, no matter how sympathetic they seem they're willingly with the Others". Though I suppose that the Teaser and Ben's slight betrayal (closing the door on Juliet) are seeds to lead us to believe Juliet may be more sympathetic.

They weren't expecting the crash...there's nothing saying they weren't expecting the plane itself...especially if it was meant to land somewhere nearby. That plane was really low when it broke up.

As to getting info on them...well, there's two possibilities. First, it's been two months since the crash and maybe they have an outside source. Maybe they had the information before hand. Second, maybe Smokie collects information from those who have seen it. I've never believed Jack when he said in the pilot ep that he didn't see the monster. No one else has admitted to seeing it either.

Very Good Points Jakko. Especially the part about the two months have gone by, and that could also be the reason that Jack, Sawyer, and Kate were not taken during the THP ep. Maybe they needed more time to collect all their info on them. And I love the theory that Smokie could be collecting the info for the Others.

I didn't see any bandage on Kate from blood being taken, but I thought that I saw one on Sawyer in one of the previews or in the show itself...but none on Kate? Why not?

I think the Others have known who the Losties were for a long time. I think that they were expecting the plane, but not for it to crash. I think that they knew who was on the plane, but they planned for it to land somewhere safely. I think that there is something special with a lot of the Losties and that's why they made it through the plane crash. In real life, there is no way that anyone would have survived that plane crash...

I didn't see any bandage on Kate from blood being taken, but I thought that I saw one on Sawyer in one of the previews or in the show itself...but none on Kate? Why not?

I think the Others have known who the Losties were for a long time. I think that they were expecting the plane, but not for it to crash. I think that they knew who was on the plane, but they planned for it to land somewhere safely. I think that there is something special with a lot of the Losties and that's why they made it through the plane crash. In real life, there is no way that anyone would have survived that plane crash...

There was a part where Kate is shown removing her bandage from her arm. It looked like it could have been an IV there or an injection site.

I got the impression that it was a place where an IV had been inserted.


It could be both ways. Perhaps they took blood and administered a drug too. All will be revealed.....hopefully. Peace.

Ben's slight betrayal (closing the door on Juliet) are seeds to lead us to believe Juliet may be more sympathetic.

See to me I didn't see that as betrayal on his part...I saw it as a clever plan to get Jack to open up to Juliet. By having then go through this "life-threatening" ordeal together it would make Jack a bit more sensitive to her. And especially if he thinks that she is being betrayed by her own people.

When Tom says, "You're not my type," he means they couldn't have a "safe" baby b/c of antibodies...

my guess is that the others want to see if certain behaviors are associated with certain blood types... maybe?

I'd say no since they werent expecting the plane crash, but damn, they got all the info on Jack really fast, so who knows?

I didn't even think of the Others as having drawn blood; I assumed (dumb thing to do, I know) that the bandages on Kate and Jack were covering injection sites and that they had been drugged. We know Juliet told Jack that he had been drugged but I've never had a bandage put on an injection site, only after blood has been drawn so I think you guys are correct. The others drugged them and drew blood.

The others obviously have some contact with the outside world. They probably looked up all that stuff about Jack on the internet inbetween buying Stephen King books and Classic Pop tunes off Amazon. (to be delivered with the Dharma drops, right?)

I didn't even think of the Others as having drawn blood; I assumed (dumb thing to do, I know) that the bandages on Kate and Jack were covering injection sites and that they had been drugged. We know Juliet told Jack that he had been drugged but I've never had a bandage put on an injection site, only after blood has been drawn so I think you guys are correct. The others drugged them and drew blood.

YEP! they did both, took their blood cause that's what they did with walt. I guess to make sure they aren't sick. And then, drugged them to bring them back.

Juliet did say that the Others gave Jack a medicine that would make him hallucinate?? I would love to hear any theories about why they want their blood??

Actually, Juliet said that a side effect of the drug they were given was dehydration, and if Jack didn't drink and eat he would start hallucinating (due to the dehydration).......

It is impossible to say if the others injected something, draw blood or did both, since an iv can be used for all these purpouses....

YEP! they did both, took their blood cause that's what they did with walt. I guess to make sure they aren't sick. And then, drugged them to bring them back.

Sounds good to me!!!! The Others had to have given them drugs and drew blood thru the IV's.

I think that the Losties might have special blood or DNA...

Odd island. The island cures cancer and the lame walk but othes it kills with a virus....

I think that the Losties might have special blood or DNA...

I second that idea, it sure would be very KEWL to see this theory come into play in some way.;)

Second, maybe Smokie collects information from those who have seen it. I've never believed Jack when he said in the pilot ep that he didn't see the monster. No one else has admitted to seeing it either.

Great observation! I've always thought that Jack probably encountered the smoke monster when he emerged from the brush in the Pilot after the pilot was killed. Neither Locke, Eko, or Charlie ever mentioned seeing the monster to anyone, so if Jack saw it he likely would not tell anyone, either. Maybe the monster scanned Jack, same as Eko and Locke? Maybe The Others download data from the security system?

Now, why characters would not mention such a strange happening is beyone me, but that's another problem altogether...

Just a thought, the others have a virus, this virus cures cancer and allows you to walk, without pain ... it also makes you incredibly strong, e.g. Jake getting the crap beat when he got slapped. The virus is in its early stages with the survivors. In the later stages it does other things ... The others are looking for a cure.

Great observation! I've always thought that Jack probably encountered the smoke monster when he emerged from the brush in the Pilot after the pilot was killed. Neither Locke, Eko, or Charlie ever mentioned seeing the monster to anyone, so if Jack saw it he likely would not tell anyone, either. Maybe the monster scanned Jack, same as Eko and Locke? Maybe The Others download data from the security system?

Now, why characters would not mention such a strange happening is beyone me, but that's another problem altogether...


I agree, I don't understand this either. Why does every Losties lie about seeing Smokie?? Hope that Smokie is cool enough to collect data on the Losties, and not just kill people. But it would make sense that Smokie would have the ability to scan for information, as a secruity system this would help Smokie determine whom would be a risks.

I think they are drawing blood from them, didn't we see Michael have blood drawn? ( I could be imagining this ) also that is the usual spot for a blood draw, and there are other sites that are used for IV's. If they had IV's in them, they could have given them fluids to prevent dehydration, rather than try to rehydrate them with food and water (if they were in fact that concerned about their dehydration) The Others may be a select few that are screened for certain types of illnesses (not a virus) but things that could cause congenital problems in reproduction. I think the Others are trying to band with our Losties but are making sure they get only the cream of the crop, ie the healthiest ones inside and out, to assimilate them into their group. Also, consider that DHARMA is a scientific research group, and the likelyhood that they are performing some sort of blood test on the Losties is greater than them wanting to inject them with IV drugs of some sort.

I think they are drawing blood from them, didn't we see Michael have blood drawn? ( I could be imagining this ) also that is the usual spot for a blood draw, and there are other sites that are used for IV's. If they had IV's in them, they could have given them fluids to prevent dehydration, rather than try to rehydrate them with food and water (if they were in fact that concerned about their dehydration) The Others may be a select few that are screened for certain types of illnesses (not a virus) but things that could cause congenital problems in reproduction. I think the Others are trying to band with our Losties but are making sure they get only the cream of the crop, ie the healthiest ones inside and out, to assimilate them into their group. Also, consider that DHARMA is a scientific research group, and the likelyhood that they are performing some sort of blood test on the Losties is greater than them wanting to inject them with IV drugs of some sort.

Michael had blood taken by the Others during the 3 mintues ep in season 2. At that time I thought they were taking the blood to test to see if Michael was truly Walt's father. However now, I feel it was probably something to do with the Losties DNA, and how that applies to the Others plans. The Others seem to be looking for something within the Losties group, and I don't have any ideas of what or why.

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Could the others be looking for these genes that respond to magnetism in order to run experiments using the magnetism of the island?? Is that why they need their blood? Did they find these genes in Kate and thats why she is going to have a rough two weeks?? I realize this is a stretch but who knows

Heres a link to the article about magnets (http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2002/13/grad_students.html) This was taken from about half way down the page.

Okay, so I'm fresh from the Lost Experience and I can't help relating events in the show to stuff we learned during the summer. I'm thinking that the blood was drawn to determine if the Losties are genetically resistent to the virus the Hanso Foundation is testing and/or their DNA is being evaluated for usefulness in Hanso's life extension project.

Okay, so I'm fresh from the Lost Experience and I can't help relating events in the show to stuff we learned during the summer. I'm thinking that the blood was drawn to determine if the Losties are genetically resistent to the virus the Hanso Foundation is testing and/or their DNA is being evaluated for usefulness in Hanso's life extension project.

It is possible, I suppose. I did not follow the LE and have no knowledge of what was discussed over the summer. I am not sure if the LE was giving away things that others would not see clearly until it came up in an episode, so I can't say if it is to be taken as canon. But consider this, what if Hanso wanted everyone to believe there was a virus, and that is what is keeping the Others on the island in the first place? Not sure where I am going with that, just playing devil's advocate.

It is possible, I suppose. I did not follow the LE and have no knowledge of what was discussed over the summer. I am not sure if the LE was giving away things that others would not see clearly until it came up in an episode, so I can't say if it is to be taken as canon. But consider this, what if Hanso wanted everyone to believe there was a virus, and that is what is keeping the Others on the island in the first place? Not sure where I am going with that, just playing devil's advocate.

I agree that Hanso could want everyone to believe that there is a virus and there is not one. I did follow the LE, however I also would like to see some of the material discovered tied into Lost eps. Otherwise, I don't think there is true relivance in the resource. I do like the theories just stated by Lost Granny and Diabolo, those are KEWL theories ;).

I think they took their blood for a couple reasons:

1. To test for desirable genetic traits
2. To test for the virus AKA "island Sickness"

It just seems to fit that they are testing for desirable genetic traits...they are the "creepy others" afterall.

I have a couple of reasons why I'm thinking they might be testing for the "sickness" virus. First, we see Benry having lunch with Kate on the ocean and he says "I want you to feel civilized since you are going to have a rough 2 weeks". Why two weeks? My thought is that 2 weeks is their quarantine period before they are introduced into the other population. During this two weeks they can observe their behavior for the sickenss, test their blood for the "sickness" and test the blood for the desirable genetic traits.

That is all I have on that. :confused: :confused:

I definitely think the Other took blood... so the question is, for what purpose? Here's what we know:

1) They obviously have some contact with the outside world. They were able to get Jack's education and medical history from somewhere, and look at their clothes... these aren't clothes from the 1980s-- most of them seem fairly modern-- so they must be getting them from somewhere-- they don't look like "standard Dharma Issue female blouse item 1" to me.

2) It seems like DHARMA has been shut down for a while... and that the Others seem removed from them: "they called this one the hydra".... not "we call this one the hydra"

3) The Others DO look like doctors and scientists... their medical knowledge, etc. seems to prove this

4) They seemed very excited when they saw the plane crash-- as if this was an opportunity that didn't come around that often... and they wanted to take advantage of it.

So my theory is: These people are aware of a world epidemic--the likes of which no one has seen since the plague, maybe. They knew about it ahead of time or when it was new and decided to seclude themselves... maybe to work on a cure or something... and when the Losties crashed, they wanted to test them to see if anyone was a carrier of this new plague-- and if they were, maybe they want to get blood samples and keep them in quarantine until they can create a cure.


Well, it's a start, anyway.

Maybe the Valenzetti equations allowed them to break the DNA code and they've realized their predestined lives are detailed in their DNA. Jack's bio file came from his DNA analysis.

I don't know quite what I think about these testing blood theories yet, but they are quite interesting. Anyway, while reading this thread I kept thinking back to when Jack gave Boone blood and the bit about none of the Losties knowing their blood type. Been a while since I watched that eppy..

Maybe the Valenzetti equations allowed them to break the DNA code and they've realized their predestined lives are detailed in their DNA. Jack's bio file came from his DNA analysis.

Interesting, but extremely unlikely if they want to even try to be close to reality in terms of science.

The human genome has about 3 billion base pairs. If you were trying to "store" information in DNA, you would use these base pairs as in binary. Further, if you were trying to literally store text, the most effecient way would be by using 6 binary placeholders for a total of 32 possible characters (i.e. English has 24 characters allowing 8 punctuation marks or additional characters if using a different language). The average word has about 6 characters in it (assuming the message would be relayed in natural language).

By using simple math, you can deduce that:

3 billion base pairs = 500,000,000 characters (again assuming a 6-bit character set)
500,000,000 characters = 83,333,333 words (again assuming natural language)

But now we have to throw another curve ball. DNA from person to person is 99% identical without variation. Thus:

83,333,333 * .01 = 833,333 words (1%)

This would leave a total of 833,333 words to describe all the juicy details of someone's life. The average book probably has about 400 words per page. This would yield a 2,083 page book by that average.

Keep in mind that all the parts of DNA that determine our physical appearance differences is included in that %1.

After all of our appearances are defined, would there be enough genetic code left to write a book? Highly unlikely. DNA encoding of the building blocks of life is highly efficient as evidenced by simple organisms. It is extremely improbably that you could fit anything more than what is needed for life inside the encoding.

Think of it like compressed files on computers. You can only compress a file so much before you start losing information. Trying to fit anything more inside that finite space is mathematically impossible. DNA would, theoretically, be the same way.

Interesting, but extremely unlikely if they want to even try to be close to reality in terms of science.

The human genome has about 3 billion base pairs. If you were trying to "store" information in DNA, you would use these base pairs as in binary. Further, if you were trying to literally store text, the most effecient way would be by using 6 binary placeholders for a total of 32 possible characters (i.e. English has 24 characters allowing 8 punctuation marks or additional characters if using a different language). The average word has about 6 characters in it (assuming the message would be relayed in natural language).

By using simple math, you can deduce that:

3 billion base pairs = 500,000,000 characters (again assuming a 6-bit character set)
500,000,000 characters = 83,333,333 words (again assuming natural language)

But now we have to throw another curve ball. DNA from person to person is 99% identical without variation. Thus:

83,333,333 * .01 = 833,333 words (1%)

This would leave a total of 833,333 words to describe all the juicy details of someone's life. The average book probably has about 400 words per page. This would yield a 2,083 page book by that average.

Keep in mind that all the parts of DNA that determine our physical appearance differences is included in that %1.

After all of our appearances are defined, would there be enough genetic code left to write a book? Highly unlikely. DNA encoding of the building blocks of life is highly efficient as evidenced by simple organisms. It is extremely improbably that you could fit anything more than what is needed for life inside the encoding.

Think of it like compressed files on computers. You can only compress a file so much before you start losing information. Trying to fit anything more inside that finite space is mathematically impossible. DNA would, theoretically, be the same way.

:confused::confused::confused: Huhhh???You are too smart for me, LOL. But seriously this is really good and interesting explaination.

I think they took blood. I didn't get totally into TLE but I did read a little on it and saw a couple of Rachel's videos. It looks as though they were running tests on "genetic" targets so it could be they took blood for some sort of testing and DNA profiling. Just a thought.

Very Good Points Jakko. Especially the part about the two months have gone by, and that could also be the reason that Jack, Sawyer, and Kate were not taken during the THP ep. Maybe they needed more time to collect all their info on them. And I love the theory that Smokie could be collecting the info for the Others.

Remember also that Kate has previously been captured. And, if I'm not mistaken, when Zeke released her to Jack, she said "I'm sorry Jack". It may not be simply that she was sorry that she followed them and got caught but also that she told them a few tidbits about him.
I think there were a few different ways they could have gotten various info on the losties without something magical going on or by having access to the outside world.

Remember also that Kate has previously been captured. And, if I'm not mistaken, when Zeke released her to Jack, she said "I'm sorry Jack". It may not be simply that she was sorry that she followed them and got caught but also that she told them a few tidbits about him.
I think there were a few different ways they could have gotten various info on the losties without something magical going on or by having access to the outside world.

The flaw in that logic is that we actually went on to see most of what happened to Kate when she was in captivity and she didn't give them any info on Jack (based on what we saw anyway).

They may have tested their blood for the virus "sickness" or at least wanted to make the trinity think about why they took their blood sinec all three had the puncture wound.

The flaw in that logic is that we actually went on to see most of what happened to Kate when she was in captivity and she didn't give them any info on Jack (based on what we saw anyway).
Not to get off the topic of this thread, but....if Kate were to have given away information about Jack while in captivity the first time:

1. Just because we didnt see her do it doesnt mean she didnt, it just means we didnt see it

2. If she did, this would make for a great OMG moment in an upcoming episode, and would be great for the plot for this to come out that that's how they knew so much about everyone, especially Jack..

I don't think this makes it a flaw in logic that we did not see it happen, TPTB have told us that things are assumed to go on in the background that we might not see..

Ok, back on the topic of blood...the more I read the more convinced I am the Others are testing their DNA, for what purpose is not clear, but they are looking for something.