I cracked up when Alex said that to Kate about the dress.

Remember Libby saying it to Claire?

Remember that Ana was to have said it to Kate, but it got cut?

Cute Easter egg. :biggrin:

Was that Alex? I thought it was a slightly older Hispanic woman.

Was that Alex? I thought it was a slightly older Hispanic woman.

Nope it was Alex and she did look real good tonight.

Good catch, Jenny. I knew it sounded familiar, but I couldn't place it. Alex is so sneaky. And she did look beautiful.

That was an odd little exchange, wasn't it? Why did they take her dress and give it to Kate? What's she doing with a dress in the first place? And what's up with Alex and Carl?

Too many questions, I tell ya....

Good catch, Jenny. I knew it sounded familiar, but I couldn't place it. Alex is so sneaky. And she did look beautiful.


Compared to last season she cleans up well. ;)

Nope it was Alex and she did look real good tonight.

Yes she did. I thought she also looked more mature this time around.

I cracked up when Alex said that to Kate about the dress.

Remember Libby saying it to Claire?

Remember that Ana was to have said it to Kate, but it got cut?

Cute Easter egg. :biggrin:

I know the Libby/Claire one. Is the Ana/Kate scene on the dvds?

"You keep it. It looks much better on you."

so does that mean alex is lesbian?

(just kidding from the whole zeke gay comments from before...)

Why wouldn't Alex have a dress. The Others live in suburbia. The feral native look is just misdirection. It's pretty clear that Karl is Alex's boyfriend. Perhaps they are both part of the dissident faction, or perhaps Alex has been told she can't be with Karl.

I wouldn't be surprised if they match people in the hopes of achieving certain genetic combinations in their offspring.

Cardie

My take on it: Alex's dress was taken away and given to Kate as part of some kind of punishment on Alex's part, maybe punishment for the same reason that Karl was in the cage.

Was Karl in on letting Claire escape? Hmm...

so does that mean alex is lesbian?

Well, there was the now infamous Alex/Kate boob grab in the Season 2 finale.

It's not surprising the writers didn't let Alex say her name to Kate, but I wondered if she put it together anyway. Now both Claire and Kate have seen Alex. If they're reunited, they can compare notes.

That line was funny.

Alex: [Carl] wasn't even suppose to be in that cage
Kate: What are you talking about? Who are you?

*I prick up my ears and lean forward thinking "finally, a straight question"

Alex: Where'd you get that dress?

...

So typical

I noticed the line too. Had me laughing, "hey, it's a tribute to Libby!"

I think the scene was to give you more information about who Karl is, to remind you about Alex and that she's a potential ally that may help them and also a cute Easter Egg to the fans who have the DVDs. THe Ana/Kate scene was cut from the script of TFTR:


INT. HATCH LIVING AREA -- DAY

ON KATE as she fills a bottle of water at the sink. Feels something weird. Looks up to find Ana-Lucia leaning against the nook. And she's just...STARING at her.

KATE: What?

ANA LUCIA: Nothin'...(then; points) It's just--that's my shirt.

Uh...what? Kate looks down at the shirt she's wearing, instantly self-conscious.--

KATE: Oh. I...found it in the luggage.

ANA LUCIA: Looks good on you. You keep it.

Alex: [Carl] wasn't even suppose to be in that cage
Kate: What are you talking about? Who are you?

*I prick up my ears and lean forward thinking "finally, a straight question"

Alex: Where'd you get that dress?

...

So typical

How is that typical? Do you mean that a women would in turn ask about a dress rather than fill in backstory?

I really contend that there is meaning to this dress. Why would the Others care if Kate were in her old clothes. I don't think it's because they wanted to see her digging rocks in a faux quarry. I'm leaning toward the dress as an intended garment to be worn by a woman who has been chosen for some sort of purpose, and that Alex's rebellion made her not "dress-worthy".

I liked that scene. I was really glad to see Alex. She's always sneaking around somewhere and I would like to learn more about her. That's a whole area that needs to be covered.

How is that typical? Do you mean that a women would in turn ask about a dress rather than fill in backstory?

I really contend that there is meaning to this dress. Why would the Others care if Kate were in her old clothes. I don't think it's because they wanted to see her digging rocks in a faux quarry. I'm leaning toward the dress as an intended garment to be worn by a woman who has been chosen for some sort of purpose, and that Alex's rebellion made her not "dress-worthy".

I am not concerned with the dress as such, I was refering to the writers curious inability to ever give us a straight answer. Ever. Which I find really frustrating. Finally when a cast member asks a completely relevant and normal questions whose answer would provide an insight into the plot which we Lost fans have waited for quite a bit, TPTB abruptly changes the topic of the conversation to something as trivial as a friggin dress.

I am not concerned with the dress as such, I was refering to the writers curious inability to ever give us a straight answer. Ever. Which I find really frustrating. Finally when a cast member asks a completely relevant and normal questions whose answer would provide an insight into the plot which we Lost fans have waited for quite a bit, TPTB abruptly changes the topic of the conversation to something as trivial as a friggin dress.

Ah, I see what you mean. I guess Alex doesn't feel that Kate needs to know the answers, especially right there and then, when there really wasn't time to talk.

I really don't think the dress is trivial, but I guess we'll find out sometime in the next two years whether that's the case! My take was that Alex was surprised to see her in the dress, and I think Alex was told to "put on the dress" back in the day, just like Kate was.

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I am not concerned with the dress as such, I was refering to the writers curious inability to ever give us a straight answer. Ever. Which I find really frustrating.Assuming of course that it is in Alex's interests to give her a straight answer. That whole scene seemed really off to me. I know Alex helped Claire escape, but I don't know if she is trustworthy. Her connection with Karl is interesting, I thought that Karl's escape attempt was part of the Others attempt to "crack" Sawyer. Could be that she is part of the same plan, but with Kate.

I really contend that there is meaning to this dress. Why would the Others care if Kate were in her old clothes. I don't think it's because they wanted to see her digging rocks in a faux quarry. I'm leaning toward the dress as an intended garment to be worn by a woman who has been chosen for some sort of purpose, and that Alex's rebellion made her not "dress-worthy".

I just lost my post so this is the short answer: Someone in the last episode made a comment about how you mate animals by putting them in cages near each other at first. Ben is interested in Kate's concern for Sawyer. I think they are trying to increase the attraction between them and use it for some reason. It is part of the mind game they are playing on Kate.

I think the way Sawyer keeps staring at her and commenting on the dress is exactly the reaction they are after.

Ah, I see what you mean. I guess Alex doesn't feel that Kate needs to know the answers, especially right there and then, when there really wasn't time to talk.

I really don't think the dress is trivial, but I guess we'll find out sometime in the next two years whether that's the case! My take was that Alex was surprised to see her in the dress, and I think Alex was told to "put on the dress" back in the day, just like Kate was.

Yeah, but the thing is, I don't think Alex has had a 'back in the day'. She was taken from her mother in her infancy and (I assume) has been an 'other' pretty much her entire life.

Yeah, but the thing is, I don't think Alex has had a 'back in the day'. She was taken from her mother in her infancy and (I assume) has been an 'other' pretty much her entire life.

But even as a teenager or however old she is, she's been on the island all of her life, perhaps like Ben and Carl have too. She does have a back in the day . . . she's been past the age of mating like a zoo-like animal for awhile now!

I just lost my post so this is the short answer: Someone in the last episode made a comment about how you mate animals by putting them in cages near each other at first. Ben is interested in Kate's concern for Sawyer. I think they are trying to increase the attraction between them and use it for some reason. It is part of the mind game they are playing on Kate.

I think the way Sawyer keeps staring at her and commenting on the dress is exactly the reaction they are after.


You raise some interesting points pacejunkie. I've always thought that forcing Kate to shed her clothes and put on a dress of the Other's choosing was just another way for them to lord their superiority over the Lostaways. Just like with the whole breakfast thing. This whole faux niceness and courteous manner comes across as a method to keep the Lostaways in 'their places', psychologically.

For example, have you noticed how the Others never mispronounce and how they all speak with perfect grammar. Those smug bastards
;-).
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But even as a teenager or however old she is, she's been on the island all of her life, perhaps like Ben and Carl have too. She does have a back in the day . . . she's been past the age of mating like a zoo-like animal for awhile now!

Oh, now I see your point. I thought that the dress-procedure was a "break 'em in" kind of a deal. But if the purpose is reproduction...

You raise some interesting points pacejunkie. I've always thought that forcing Kate to shed her clothes and put on a dress of the Other's choosing was just another way for them to lord their superiority over the Lostaways. Just like with the whole breakfast thing. This whole faux niceness and courteous manner comes across as a method to keep the Lostaways in 'their places', psychologically.

For example, have you noticed how the Others never mispronounce and how they all speak with perfect grammar. Those smug model students

;-).

Are you forgeting the whole "shocked! I said Shocked!" Moment Pickett had with Sawyer? I agree with you about Smugness (is that a word?). So glad when Sawyer kicked his butt!:biggrin:

I am not concerned with the dress as such, I was refering to the writers curious inability to ever give us a straight answer. Ever. Which I find really frustrating. Finally when a cast member asks a completely relevant and normal questions whose answer would provide an insight into the plot which we Lost fans have waited for quite a bit, TPTB abruptly changes the topic of the conversation to something as trivial as a friggin dress.


I don't know how a straight answer would have told us anything we don't know, or meant all that much to Kate.

Let's play pretend:

Kate: "What are you talking about?" Who are you?"
Alex: Karl--he wasn't supposed to be in the cage
Kate: Who are you, again?
Alex: I'm Alex

At the most, that exchange would tell Kate that Alex is probably Rousseau's daughter, and is possibly the same person who helped Claire...

I guess the whole Alex thing is sort of built on a house of cards in terms of how much any of the Losties really, truly know about who she is and who she is related to (we have Claire's vague recollections, Alex asking about Claire in "3 Minutes", and Rousseau's hunch that the young woman who helped Claire might be her daughter (unless I'm forgetting something important).

Oh, now I see your point. I thought that the dress-procedure was a "break 'em in" kind of a deal. But if the purpose is reproduction...[/quote]

I keep thinking of that creepy book "The Handmaids Tale". Forced reproduction. The Others do have a thing for babies . . .

Are you forgeting the whole "shocked! I said Shocked!" Moment Pickett had with Sawyer? I agree with you about Smugness (is that a word?). So glad when Sawyer kicked his butt!:biggrin:

Oh yeah, forgot about Loverboy ;-). I was rather thinking of King and Queen fancy-pants though, Juliet(te) and Benry.

And that Klugh-woman. What became of her? When she was introduced by the end of s2 I thought she was going to play a big part in s3.

Oh yeah, forgot about Loverboy ;-). I was rather thinking of King and Queen fancy-pants though, Juliet(te) and Benry.

And that Klugh-woman. What became of her? When she was introduced by the end of s2 I thought she was going to play a big part in s3.

Was Klugh in the Stephen King book club from last week?

I just lost my post so this is the short answer: Someone in the last episode made a comment about how you mate animals by putting them in cages near each other at first. Ben is interested in Kate's concern for Sawyer. I think they are trying to increase the attraction between them and use it for some reason. It is part of the mind game they are playing on Kate.

I think the way Sawyer keeps staring at her and commenting on the dress is exactly the reaction they are after.
This was my reaction. Come on, the Udders know how impractical working in a dress is. I was actually surprised by how revealing Kate using that pick axe was, haha. One stiff breeze and Kate would be flashing her undies, if she's even wearing any. The Udders must be aware of such "wardrobe malfunctions", right?

Mix the testosterone boiling flimsy dress with the threat of being shocked if they do what they aren't supposed to, and sparks are gonna fly. I mean, we all know how Sawyer and Kate LOVE following orders, right? They both have such respect for authority. ;)

Just part of the Skinner box. That's all it is.

I don't know how a straight answer would have told us anything we don't know, or meant all that much to Kate.

Let's play pretend:

Kate: "What are you talking about?" Who are you?"
Alex: Karl--he wasn't supposed to be in the cage
Kate: Who are you, again?

Alex: A possible defector along with (some possible others). Your doctor friend is alive and being held (directions to hydra). Also, keep in mind, the Others are big on lying and manipulation, so be really skeptic and cynical from now on towards everything. On this island almost all looks are deceiving. Okay, gotta' run.

Stuff like that would be nice, or perhaps a nice big shocker, lost-style; Jack's father is the real Big Kahuna on this island.
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Was Klugh in the Stephen King book club from last week?

Probably not. I would have recognized her immediately, for then I was under the illusion that Juliet(te) was Penny and that the book club took place back in the 'real world'.

Going back to the original post, Jenny--do you remember what episode it was that Libby said that to Claire? I remember it, but doing a quick search on losthatch isn't bringing it up for me...

Anyone know?

I just lost my post so this is the short answer: Someone in the last episode made a comment about how you mate animals by putting them in cages near each other at first. Ben is interested in Kate's concern for Sawyer. I think they are trying to increase the attraction between them and use it for some reason. It is part of the mind game they are playing on Kate.

I think the way Sawyer keeps staring at her and commenting on the dress is exactly the reaction they are after.


Agreed. To take it a step further, I'm sure such manufactured "attraction" will be ammo for the Others to use in their manipulation of Jack.

Does anyone have a picture that shows what ALEX was wearing during this scene? To me, it looked like a navy blazer, white blouse-type shirt, and some sort of scarf? I got the impression that it was like a flight attendant outfit. I also used to wear a similar outift (scarf and all!) when I worked as a medical receptionist at a hospital (they bought the uniforms from a company that makes flight attendant uniforms), so maybe I'm way off, but thats what it reminded me of. It struck me as weird because it would be too hot to wear something like that on the island - I mean, when I wore an outfit like that I was hot in an air-conditioned building...even the people who didn't seem to being physical labor (like Juliet) looked like they were sweating. Even if it wasn't hot - doesn't seem like something she would wear. Everyone else is dressed pretty casual.

Does she have a part time job as a tour guide?:)

Let me know what you think!
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Going back to the original post, Jenny--do you remember what episode it was that Libby said that to Claire? I remember it, but doing a quick search on losthatch isn't bringing it up for me...

Anyone know?
I don't, but it was quite late in the season, wasn't it?

And that Klugh-woman. What became of her? When she was introduced by the end of s2 I thought she was going to play a big part in s3.
They said in this week's ABC podcast that the actress was filming elsewhere, but that she would be back.

The Libby/Claire scene was deleted and not identified by the episode, but the blouse in question Claire is wearing is the blue one she wore in The 23rd Psalm. My guess is it's from that episode.

Too many questions, I tell ya....

Don't worry, the questions will be answered, just like all the questions from the first season were all timely answered.




Oh, wait. There is still a ton of unanswered questions......:eek2:

I am not concerned with the dress as such, I was refering to the writers curious inability to ever give us a straight answer. Ever. Which I find really frustrating. Finally when a cast member asks a completely relevant and normal questions whose answer would provide an insight into the plot which we Lost fans have waited for quite a bit, TPTB abruptly changes the topic of the conversation to something as trivial as a friggin dress.

Actually, we got several straight answers in the last five minutes of the show. They may not give us all the answers, all the time, right when we want them - but they are telling a story here and revealing things at the right time makes for a better story. If they just laid out all the answers right when they pop up it would make for a pretty boring and uninteresting show.

That was an odd little exchange, wasn't it? Why did they take her dress and give it to Kate? What's she doing with a dress in the first place? And what's up with Alex and Carl?Maybe this all fits together. Perhaps Karl gave her the dress and they took it from her because they don't want her and Karl to have a relationship.