Seems we finally met the "new" castaways.

But what happened to the scene where Claire finds them in Jack's tent?

Wasn't that in the official episode description?

Yeah I thought I dozed off and missed is, apparently it just wanst there

Cut the whole whoopie scene. Guess that, 1) the outcry about it got TPTB to reconsider introducing them that way; and 2) they just ran out of time to show it!

Heck, if you blinked, you missed them! And they even had LINES!

I think it's because Damon wants Paulo or Nikki to be involved in the Charlie and Claire love triangle that Damon mentioned in the podcast.
Introducing them that way makes sense to me.

I just saw somewhere (linked in spoilers I'm sure) that Nikki and Paulo's scenes were cut down for the episode.

Too bad. I could have used less walking through the jungle picking up bear souvenirs.

Nikki sure is purty. Paulo looks a lot like Desmond to me.

maybe it will be in a future eppy...like Locke finds them there...canoodling...and yells at them that "Jack is NOT dead...this is HIS place...Get out of there NOW!!"

It may inspire him to head out and get them back ASAP...as everyone has just gotten used to the fact that they are never coming back. Locke might revoke "squatter's rights" privledges.

I thought it kinda odd, too...as the eppy wore on...I was thinking that finding a couple in Jack's hut seems to be something that would happen at the beginning of an eppy...not towards the end. Probably just got cut for time...they kinda came out of the blue there at the end...as if we should have already known who they were.

They def know all the original Losties names.

I just saw somewhere (linked in spoilers I'm sure) that Nikki and Paulo's scenes were cut down for the episode.

Too bad. I could have used less walking through the jungle picking up bear souvenirs.

Nikki sure is purty. Paulo looks a lot like Desmond to me.

Nikki really is hot, lol.

I thought the whole introduction of Nikki and Paulo was kind of abrupt. It just rubbed me the wrong way.

I thought it was a good way of introducing them, they were just kinda hanging out at the beach with the rest of the losties.

I'm not too fond of these two characters. They just seem completely thrown in. And they don't even know Jack and Co. are gone?

I thought it was a good way of introducing them, they were just kinda hanging out at the beach with the rest of the losties.

I agree, if they introduced them as being the captors of the beach camp then that would have been wierd for me. But now they build up the character storylines and hopefull they will have good flashbacks.

I thought it was a good way of introducing them, they were just kinda hanging out at the beach with the rest of the losties.
That's what I thought too.... "Oh, these aren't new people... they've been here all along. You mean you didn't you notice them?" ;)

I don't like them. They will take screentime away from character I already know and like!

(kidding...just kidding) I'm trying hard to fight a prejudice against them and its not working.

Seriously..who needs them? We have enough characters already.

I don't like them. They will take screentime away from character I already know and like!

(kidding...just kidding) I'm trying hard to fight a prejudice against them and its not working.

Seriously..who needs them? We have enough characters already.

True, but alot of the characters have run out of mysteries, and the new ones being introduced seem out of place (ie Locke being involved in a drug ring, Sun changing personality randomly) For me, some new flashbacks and a clean slate for the characters will be refreshing.

OH GOOD!!! I slept through the first 15 minutes and thought I had missed them!!

HHHHmmmm...

Charlie/Claire/Nicki/Paulo thing??? Interesting...

I'm with the earlier poster: so far I don't like Nikki and Paulo. It is time to stop adding new characters, only to kill old ones. We have invested a lot of emotional attachment to have them killed. Kill Nikki and Paulo.

OH GOOD!!! I slept through the first 15 minutes and thought I had missed them!!

HHHHmmmm...

Charlie/Claire/Nicki/Paulo thing??? Interesting...

Its sick. :D Evil!

I usually have an open mind about new characters but for some reason not this time around.

I think the introduction seemed clunky if you knew the characters were going to be on the show. I was totally spoiled and thought it was abrupt and unnatural. My fiancee had no clue though and he thought they were just like Sceve or some of the other extras that just have brief lines. So he thought it flowed fine.

MMM Paulo ;)

I don't like them. They will take screentime away from character I already know and like!

(kidding...just kidding) I'm trying hard to fight a prejudice against them and its not working.

Seriously..who needs them? We have enough characters already.

YES. I don't mind the new Others - they are necessary and add to the story - but I really am not looking forward to having new Losties.

People have mentioned this when we saw her get cast, but seriously, did Sawyer (or even Charlie?!) not notice the ridiculously hot blonde woman before?

People have mentioned this when we saw her get cast, but seriously, did Sawyer (or even Charlie?!) not notice the ridiculously hot blonde woman before?
I'm sure when Sawyer gets back he'll say something to her. I feel like a minority! As long as they don't turn out to be as boring as Ana-Lucia, I'll like them. Unless their purpose is to die, or their flashbacks are for mythological purposes.

who is the actress that plays nikki?

who is the actress that plays nikki?

That would be Kiele Sanchez. Hot isn't she? lol j/k;)
...or am I...

Yeah, I'm not so big on the new characters. I'll give them a chance, but I don't like how abruptly they threw them in there. I would have liked a different introduction. Sorry, Sobek.

I don't know, I thought there introduction was appropriate. It did just make it seem like they've been there the whole time. I think it would have been more awkward had they made a big deal about it and drew lots of attention to them.

As for their characters, I'll have to see more than one line from each of them before I decide if I like them! (Though I totally agree with you guys who don't want them taking time away from our Losties)

I'm ALWAYS weary of new characters, but I've been quite pleased with Juliet so far, so I'm feeling optimistic. Plus, anyone as hot as Paolo I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. ;)

Paolo looked way to groomed. He looks like he'd just had his hair cut by a stylist.

Nikki was too "In your face" about her her questions, came off as over acting, over the top.

But the whole problem with "emerging" survivors is that they have to emerge, and how in the heck do you make that happen any other way? BOOM, there they are.

Locke didn't say "I miss this" either. I was waiting to hear that too. :(

I thought the whole introduction of Nikki and Paulo was kind of abrupt. It just rubbed me the wrong way.
I agree. No one was ever seen talking to them, not even in the background and all of a sudden..Wham! they are right there in you face. Now they are part of the "main group"?? Now I have to invest into these characters? We do not need new losties. If your going to add characters add them to the Others. Yep, I hate them.

if the producers are just going to randomly pop up new survivors this way...oy vay...the words i can't type here. it would have been nice to at least have seen these characters sometime last season...even if it was small talk with hurley or something you know.

if the producers are just going to randomly pop up new survivors this way...oy vay...the words i can't type here. it would have been nice to at least have seen these characters sometime last season...even if it was small talk with hurley or something you know.

I totally know what you're saying and agree with you, but at the same time, in terms of production, I don't know if they could pull that off. They obviously didn't hire these people till this summer abouts. I mean, could they get serious relatively big-name actors to play basically and extra for a few episode? I'm really curious, I'm not being snarky or anything :smile:

I thought the whole introduction of Nikki and Paulo was kind of abrupt. It just rubbed me the wrong way.

I agree.

Paulo came up and Nikki's like "We need Jack!" And I'm like "SHUT UP stupid extras! Leave Lost to the MAIN characters!"

But now it turns out they are new main characters? Bah.

I'm surprised how brilliant writers couldn't have written them a better entrance. Like maybe Locke goes to Paulo to guard the sweat-tent and a scene with Nikki and Claire talking about something....whatever.

Loved Kiele in "Related".

Also thought it was an abrupt intro, but if they'd been found in Jack's tent they would've been vehemently hated immediately. (I wasn't aware that was supposed to happen -- whoo-hoo for skipping spoilers and press releases, etc.)

The writers are going to have problems with these two. If they come across as particularly competent, or with leadership qualities, it's going to be impossible to believe that they've never been involved in anything before. But if they don't, then why should we care about them?

The regular characters also know them well (and vice versa), although we don't. They've made their friendships and alliances, dealt with their conflicts, and been part of the group dynamics. They should act like people who know each other, and avoid exposition on the new characters for the viewers' sake. Or there should be some explanation for why they haven't been around too much. If it feels like the 'regulars' are getting to know them over the next episodes, that's going to ring false.

Good luck, gentleman (and ladies), I've got a feeling you're going to need it.

I totally know what you're saying and agree with you, but at the same time, in terms of production, I don't know if they could pull that off. They obviously didn't hire these people till this summer abouts. I mean, could they get serious relatively big-name actors to play basically and extra for a few episode? I'm really curious, I'm not being snarky or anything :smile:

I think they did it with Michelle Rodriguez in the finale to Season 1. She popped in and flirted with Jack at the bar.

It's my understanding after the way TPTB knew people were reacting to the Season of the Button, they wanted to add more romance so they brought in Kiele and Rodrigo who are supposed to spice things up a bit. I read somewhere Rodrigo is considered the "Tom Cruise" of his native country and a really big star there. I think this may be his big break into Stateside TV.

Ah wel, maybe they'll die real soon or something.
The cup is half full
The cup is half full

Nikki is hot and the chick that plays her is from Chicago so she can't be all bad...

I know its early, but I agree with everyone who doesn't care for them much. Well, mostly Nikki don't care for, since we don't know about Paulo yet, did he even have lines?
I am going to DIE if Clarie likes him, or Charlie likes her, I mean the CC ship just got sailing, and Nikki and Paulo are WAY older than Carlie or Claire (at least in the show).

And stop bashing Anna Lucia (or Bannana Lucia, from the listener in the Official podcast, :P) she was awesome, and I'd take her over Claire or Kate anyday.

Ah wel, maybe they'll die real soon or something.
The cup is half full
The cup is half full

I hope to remain as optimistic as you. On the one hand, yes, they are hot, so I'm willing to give them that. I just find it hard to believe that the writeres feel the even need to add any new elements! There are about a million elements at play already. One love triangle isn't enough (Jack/Kate/Sawyer)? What about why the plane crashed? Who the castaways were? How that influences their relationships? Who the others are? Why they think they're good? Are they good? What's up with the hatch imploding? What was it there for? Where is Russeau? How do you spell Russeau? Adding new people... to me it feels like an excuse. They don't need to spice it up. It's already spicy. It's a distraction.

^lol, your Russea statement was funny.

But yeah, I'll agree... maybe Nikki will get her head mauled by a polar bear, and maybe The Hurley-bird will tear Paulo apart?

I hate to be critical about anything relating to this show (hehe), but I really hated how these characters were introduced. They just seemed to pop out of nowhere. It really bugged me. I understand that sometimes things need to be cut out for the sake of time, but maybe they should have been added in in another episode or something.

I'm going to TRY to give them a chance, but being a fan from Day 1, it will probably be difficult for me to accept them right away.

I agree.

Paulo came up and Nikki's like "We need Jack!" And I'm like "SHUT UP stupid extras! Leave Lost to the MAIN characters!"

But now it turns out they are new main characters? Bah.

I'm surprised how brilliant writers couldn't have written them a better entrance. Like maybe Locke goes to Paulo to guard the sweat-tent and a scene with Nikki and Claire talking about something....whatever.

Kyle...what I have been trying to tell you is the "brilliant" writers DID write them a better entrance...it just got cut for time. Here's the official episode description from ABC posted on 9/26/06:

The fates of Locke, Eko and Desmond are revealed after the implosion of the hatch, while Hurley returns to the beach camp to tell the tale of what happened when he, Jack, Kate and Sawyer encountered The Others. Meanwhile, Claire is shocked to find Nikki and Paulo in Jack's tent. Guest starring are Kiele Sanchez as Nikki, Rodrigo Santoro as Paulo.

Hmmmm...see something in there that you DIDN'T see in tonight's eppy? And Watch With Kristin over at E-Online said that Claire finds them doing the nekkid jungle dance in Jack's tent. THAT would have been the proper introduction to these new Losties...but TPTB just didn't have time to fit it into the eppy.

But remember, we started with 48 survivors...we've lost Boone, Shannon, Ana, Libby, Sceve and the Marshall...(and 8 more are over on the Other's side of the island...).

So, it's only logical that they ones who leave will eventually be replaced. TPTB said from the get go that the "red shirts" will begin to step forward into the lime light as the show progresses. It's just unfortunate that these two got the shaft of their big debut.

Clumsey. What a clumsey introduction and both of them at the same time. If they were going to cut the original Nikki - Paulo scene, they should have had more of the background around to make it look better.

Clumsey. What a clumsey introduction and both of them at the same time. If they were going to cut the original Nikki - Paulo scene, they should have had more of the background around to make it look better.

I agree. That just really irked me. They really should have saved it for when they had time to more thoroughly introduce them. Hopefully we'll get more background information soon.

yeah, I am just not feeling the new characters - it is not so much that I don' t like them, they just haven't been there - it is too weird - at least with the tailies, we knew where they had been and with the others too, to an extent. In real time we are in season 3 roughly 2 years, and in island time it has been like 60 days or so, new losties just doesn't ring true. And I agree that there is plenty going on already and so many other ways to introduce new characters available if they really must bring in more people. I actually don't prescribe to the tv belief that a couple cant ever be happy together and still be interesting, so I am not excited abut the possiblity of another love triangle either.

I am beginning to feel like the writers need to be more concerned about taking care of business: the already established mysteries and the subsequent new/additional mysteries that the originals spawn. This feels contrived like they are trying to generate viewers or something by adding more characters, but more characters does not really add more excitement. I think peoples bigest complaints have been around the show not moving fast enough, personally I am ok with the pace, as I think are most of the dedicated lost fans. Real lost fans are thinkers, so over the long haul it may not appeal to the average tv viewer who just wants thiers 30 - 60 minutes of spoon fed entertainment.

I hope the writers and TPTB the don't give in to the general criticisms.

sorry, I didn't mean to rant, it just really didn't feel natural and I guess it irked me :rolleyes:

I'm all for new characters, but I also have a bad feeling about these two. When I read the spoilers about them having sex in Jack's tent, I thought "Oh great, that's where this seasons of love is going to be taking us?" :rolleyes:

I guess I'm sort of happy that they cut that scene, though it would have been a way better introduction than what was shown in tonight's episode, with Paulo sitting against a tree and Nikki suddenly coming out of the woodwork only to blast Hurley about not telling them about Jack and co. sooner than he did.

Hurley's response should have been: "Dude relax, I just got back. Besides, why would I immediately run to you, Nikki and Paulo? Sure, you've both been here the whole time, but you've never really been involved in any of the action. What gives?"

Totally kidding, that would have been the worst introduction ever! :biggrin:

Wait wait wait, who are these people? Those two who were talking at the Locke speech are now MAIN CHARACTERS? I'm completely aghast. I know that TPTB can pull it off, for sure, but it surprises me that we just randomly have new main characters that weve never seen before. The problem with this is....either (a) they bring in new characters so they can kill them off and we odnt lose our beloved losties, like they did with ana lucia and libby, or (b) they bring in new characters so when they do kill off our beloved losties theres still main characters around. Either way, I wish we would have been slowly introduced to these people as random other losties rather than just having two brand new faces thrust into the limelight. Wheres all the classic background actors we had in season one and two?

I agree. That just really irked me. They really should have saved it for when they had time to more thoroughly introduce them. Hopefully we'll get more background information soon.

That's just not how TV shows work...unfortunately. They shoot the script they have in front of them...So, the Jack's tent scene was shot...and N & P's appearance at the end was shot. But it turns out that the show is gonna run long...so something has to go...

TPTB probably felt the tent scene was the least important event we needed to see in this eppy...so it caught the axe. But, to take them out of the end scene with Hurley would have meant a total re-shoot, to leave them out of it, and it still make sense. That is not time/cost effective. So, they barge in like they own the place...OUR place...and we all whine about it.

Happens all the time, though...when you watch DVD's with the commentary on, you'll often hear the director say..."Now, there was a great scene we had to cut here to get to our 108 minute (studio demanded) run time, that would have flushed those characters out a touch more...but we had to lose it."

TPTB couldn't just go back and erase N & P from the end scene. Unfortunate...but that's the way it goes.

Wheres all the classic background actors we had in season one and two?

CLASSIC background actors? Ha Ha Ha..."I'm not just a background actor...I'm a classic background actor!"...Can you name any of them for me?

I didn't mind the introduction much, even though it was abrupt, I can accept they were there all along and that there is communication with the other survivors that we don't see. We've been shown plenty of background characters all along and always knew more could be brought in anytime.

But still, it's too bad their time was cut, because I think additional screen time with them would have helped people adjust to their presence better. That said, they are both quite beautiful, and will add another interesting element to the mix as we get to know them more. (I thought of them immediately when Damon mentioned a new triangle.)

I'll certainly give them a chance, and I hope they aren't just thrown in as redshirts to be killed off later this season like with Ana and Libby.

It seems odd that theyve been here for 60 days an djust now decide to talk to Hurley and Claire. I cant name the background guys, but I can point them out. Theres the girl in the colored stripes. Theres the guy who looks like Noah Wyle. Theres Scott...or steve....

I totally know what you're saying and agree with you, but at the same time, in terms of production, I don't know if they could pull that off. They obviously didn't hire these people till this summer abouts. I mean, could they get serious relatively big-name actors to play basically and extra for a few episode? I'm really curious, I'm not being snarky or anything :smile:

umm didn't ana lucia show up in season one?!

I had to edited a couple of posts mentioning the episode description and a scene that got cut - this scene is still a spoiler since we haven't seen it in the episode! For all we know, it might still be used in another episode, so please remember to use spoiler font if you discuss that particular scene. Thanks.

If a scene is big enough to make it as a sub-plot in the OFFICIAL episode description...then it shouldn't get cut. Makes me wonder if it was just a foiler.

Paolo seems cool but Nikki has already made me hate her. I got a bad first impression of her.

If a scene is big enough to make it as a sub-plot in the OFFICIAL episode description...then it shouldn't get cut. Makes me wonder if it was just a foiler.


Nah, I don't think it was a foiler. I think TPTB will be well aware of just how clumsy the introduction of Paulo and Nikki came across in this episode. They also know that they have to cut the episode down to size... it just so happened their introduction scene was 'the sacrifice the island demanded' ;)

Personally I quite like Nikki, she seems quite impetuous... I hope she gets more scenes in the future :)

You never know...

We might get an episode where they visit the Black Rock and try to explain why dynamite is so explo---:blowup:


I didn't mind arzt stepping up in season 1, because they did it with style. These two just sort of seemed to barge into the scene. I wish they could have used extras that we have seen in the background before... that would have been cool. Hell, use Sceve! But then we would spoil the running joke of which one of them is alive.

I didn't mind arzt stepping up in season 1, because they did it with style.

The original plan WAS to do it in style, but TPTB cut the scene. So we got the barging scene instead. Still I want to know why Paulo was sitting so near to Claire, you'd have thought he would have been embarrassed!

I think there should be a running joke where different characters find them together in Jack's tent. Instead of "you killed Kenny! You bastards!", it could be "Jack's not Dead, you bastards!"

(ed. hehe, "model students" being filtered from bass tards)

I didn't mind arzt stepping up in season 1, because they did it with style.

Yes. . We didn't have to invest anything in him. He didn't distract from the main group. He didn't even act as if he was apart of the main group (as N & P did), he just said that he had experience in a certain area, and thats all they used him for. Atzt came in for a specific purpose and was killed off. N & P, time for you to die, RIP.

I don't know, I thought there introduction was appropriate. It did just make it seem like they've been there the whole time. I think it would have been more awkward had they made a big deal about it and drew lots of attention to them.


couldn't have put it better myself.....

I agree. No one was ever seen talking to them, not even in the background and all of a sudden..Wham! they are right there in you face. Now they are part of the "main group"?? Now I have to invest into these characters? We do not need new losties. If your going to add characters add them to the Others. Yep, I hate them. Me too. Well, I don't like Nikki; we haven't heard Paolo speak yet.
It's like she's name-dropping to prove she's been there all along: "Get Jack. Hurley, where have you been" which is supposed to make us think she's one of the extras that have been milling around for two years. Popping up and suddenly ordering everyone around is quite obnoxious.
The introductions of Arztz, and some of the other extras who were finally named in SOS like Frogurt were much better handled. In SOS it was something nice, that the Losties knew them, had been chatting with them, and already had a nickname for the yogurt-selling guy Neil.)

What waw clumsy about their introduction wasn't so much what the characters said or did, but the way the camera lingered on their faces for a few seconds, as if to say, "These are new regular characters. Know their faces. Get used to them." That was pretty transparent, IMO.

Maybe it's just me, but in the 7 seconds we see of Nikki I didn't think "wow, she's hot".

And also, the argument that Sawyer never noticed the other hot blonde girl doesn't fly because there are always some hotties walking around in the background, even since season 1. They just never brought them out.

I agree, it did seem weird and abrupt if you knew they were coming, but the other people I know who don't read spoilers just figured they were people popping up in the background. They did the same thing with Neil Frogurt by just mentioning his name, so to most casual viewers they were just props used for the scene. Then, later on down the line, they'll appear again. and again.

I didn't like it. It was like we should have know them all along or something. Poor intro.

I just saw somewhere (linked in spoilers I'm sure) that Nikki and Paulo's scenes were cut down for the episode.

Too bad. I could have used less walking through the jungle picking up bear souvenirs.

Nikki sure is purty. Paulo looks a lot like Desmond to me.

Yes, Nikki is pretty, but she can't hold a candle to Kate!;)

Looking forward to the background survivors being involved more often. Hope they don't become "red shirts".

At first I didn't realize it was Nikki & Paolo. I just thought who is this bossy redshirt girl? Then it dawned on me that this was my first glimpse of the newbies. Not a good first impression of her.

Yes, Nikki is pretty, but she can't hold a candle to Kate!;)

Looking forward to the background survivors being involved more often. Hope they don't become "red shirts".

Instead of dregging up some Brazilian local 'hottie' star they could have taken any of the red shirts of season 1 and made those have a couple of lines. Especially since these characters don't seemingly have anything meaningful to say anyway, and their acting talent, apart from being highly droolable for 14-18 year olds, seems to be minimal.

Bleh. Just bleh.

I'm sure that TPTB will include them in flashbacks along with one or more of the main characters (or even some of the dead ones) and it'll be an easier transition in to the regular Losties. Keep the faith, this show hasn't disappointed me yet!

Instead of dregging up some Brazilian local 'hottie' star they could have taken any of the red shirts of season 1 and made those have a couple of lines. Especially since these characters don't seemingly have anything meaningful to say anyway, and their acting talent, apart from being highly droolable for 14-18 year olds, seems to be minimal.


That is actually a really unfair comment. I can't see how anyone can judge the acting talent of a character who only gets 7 seconds of airtime in an episode. Thats a really bad excuse to dislike a character.
Also if someone hadn't asked "where is Jack?" then everyone would be complaining about it.
I have faith in the lost casting team, this is the same team who brought us Henry Ian Cusick, Michael Emerson and Elizabeth Mitchell. Please give Kiele and Rodrigo a chance to prove their acting merit, don't slate them as 'bad actors' when they are on screen for 7 seconds.

After watching the show last night and formed my opinion of the new losties, I was very hesitant to even post about it. But after reading here and several other boards about Nikki and Paulo I realize I am not in the minority when I say that I did not like the addition. It seemed very abrupt and very unnatural. I don't mind new "others" as we haven't really gotten to know them anyways...but with the losties it just seems to me that we have as an audience invested a lot of time and emotions into the characters that are there. By bringing in some new people was just very wrong and it seriously left a bad taste in my mouth. I had read the spoilers and such and knew that they were going to be on there so I was expecting them to show up at some point....but my MIL doesn't get on the computer and read stuff and had no idea there would be new people and her reaction: "wait a minute, who are they? where did these people come from?" Once I explained to her, her next question was..."So, they get on the show and act as though we have known them from day one and get speaking parts to boot?" LOL I hope that these 2 do not become regulars because it really seemed very "commercial" to have them on there....almost like when a baseball stadium is named after a company instead of just the "texas ranger stadium" for example. **I am now stepping off of my soap box** Thanks :)

I'm sure that TPTB will include them in flashbacks along with one or more of the main characters (or even some of the dead ones) and it'll be an easier transition in to the regular Losties. Keep the faith, this show hasn't disappointed me yet!

It'd disappoint me if they'd pull that off actually...

Really, do we NEED more regulars?

I totally blasted on these two new characters, nicknaming them "Nike & Apaulo Bar" in our most recent podcast #49.

I mean come on.. Hurley just walked back after being gone for DAYS!!!! And she has the nerve of whining... "When were you going to tell us about this Hurley?" And Apaulo Bar asks.... "Who are the others?"

Maybe they should have shown them in the tent. That would explain why nobody's ever seen them and they seem clueless!

Boy, they need to fire the writers who introduced these goofs to us!

If you want to hear more of my rant about them, check out episode #49 of the Weekly Lost Podcast.

So far, I'm with the Majority, I HATE THESE NEW CHARACTERS!!!! Worse than I hated Anna LuLU

It seemed a very odd way to introduce new characters, especially if they become quite prominent characters, where have they been for the last 69 days?

:confused:

I'm kind of shocked about how mediocre this show is becoming. They seriously can't think up a better way to get more regulars on the show than the old "we've been here all along!" schtick? What the hell happened to the Lost that took chances, that didn't rest on it's laurels and fall back on age-old soap-opera clichés. Seriously... I can't even express how disappointing "Nikki and Paulo" are.

By the way, I didn't read the spoilers for this episode.

but that finding them in jack's tent thing doesn't make it magically a great idea

It worked for Arzt because he was a character piece. He showed up, was fantastic for a couple of episodes, and then was killed off in spectacular fashion. That's the ONLY way to do it. Not introduce a couple of quaffed "OMG HAWT" young actors to provide romantic triangles.

This show used to take care with it's lead characters. What the hell happened?

I'm with the earlier poster: so far I don't like Nikki and Paulo. It is time to stop adding new characters, only to kill old ones. We have invested a lot of emotional attachment to have them killed. Kill Nikki and Paulo.


I love this show because it is deceptively simple and maddenly complex all at the same time. I say its season 3 time to get some redshirts some playing time. To quote the other (small o) Doctor.

"It still hasn't gotten weird enough for me"
Hunter S. Thompson

IMHO, the "right" way to introduce them, and make if feel "natural" would be if Locke and Hurley had also been introduced. . .

In other words, it might be reasonable for someone to not know someone else within a group of 48 people. So Locke should have been like, "what was your name again?" rather than, "oh, hi Nikki", like they are close friends or something.

If they recognized the fact that our main characters have had no visible contact with these people yet, it would have been more honest.

The way it was, it felt forced and unnatural.

I think the best way to introduce these characters would have been seperately. Maybe give each a quick little scene. Maybe Nikki talking to Claire about Paulo or Claire talking to her about Charlie or something. To introduce Paulo maybe have Rose needed some help with something, and call him over and she begins to talk to him a little like she knows him and maybe ask about Nikki or something. That way we get the connectin these two are together, but they aren't like forced on us either. This way they would have been suttle, but also imply they know our other characters and have been around the whole time. Then when the time comes we have them become a little more involved in other storylines.

I think it is too early to judge the characters yet, I felt their introductions were abrupt......we don't even know there names yet techinically. I think it will be interesting to see how well they fit these characters into things.

I seem to be in the minority here, but it makes sense to me that we are finally seeing some of the other crash survivors. I don't think they could be introduced until we really knew some of the other characters. It makes sense that with the "leaders" away from "home" (as Locke called it), the remaining survivors get closer and we get to know them better. And yeah, Paulo is unbelievably hot (he was great in "Love Actually').

What about all the old redshirts!??!! I agree!

I kind of hope these wo DO die because I dont want any of our people to die, but then thats just dumb to make new characters and then kill them off. But I REALLY dont want one o four characters to die and these random ne wpeople to take their place

A better way to have introduced "Paulo" would be to have had HIM accompany Locke on his little quest. It made absolutely no sense that Locke went to Charlie to guard his sweat hut thing when there are 40 other guys just chilling on the beach.

He should have come out of the jungle and looked around for one of the Losties, but because none of them were there he'd have to ask ol' Paulo instead. It would have brought him into the fold much more naturally. God damn, if I can come up with a better way to introduce this character, the writers are seriously slacking off.

There are 40 people there and if you are in a secluded area with a lot of other people you are going to know them all. I just look at it like we met Paulo and Nikki whom could have been in the back ground for the past 40 days and are now stepping up to be a little more involved.

I do say it was odd, but it is because we aren't used to the extra's having speaking lines.

Also, we never once saw the man that had the rash and he just dissapeared from the crowd!

Not to mention Rose who was a main figure of the series' first 12 episodes and then she disappeared.


A better way to have introduced "Paulo" would be to have had HIM accompany Locke on his little quest. It made absolutely no sense that Locke went to Charlie to guard his sweat hut thing when there are 40 other guys just chilling on the beach.

He should have come out of the jungle and looked around for one of the Losties, but because none of them were there he'd have to ask ol' Paulo instead. It would have brought him into the fold much more naturally. consarn, if I can come up with a better way to introduce this character, the writers are seriously slacking off.


I don't think this is a better way to introduce the character of Paulo. The whole point of that vision quest was to get Charlie and Locke back together.

A better way to introduce the characters would be:
CHARLIE: Claire, go and get Nikki, she knows first aid.
Or something along those lines. Have Nikki and Paulo together. Then they are introduced... Nikki could say: Paulo fetch some water.

Still I don't understand where all the Nikki hate comes from.

So far, I'm with the Majority, I HATE THESE NEW CHARACTERS!!!! Worse than I hated Anna LuLU

Yay! More on the 'don't like them' train. I can't say 'hate' yet because I might just like them later on but right now I don't.

A better way to have introduced "Paulo" would be to have had HIM accompany Locke on his little quest. It made absolutely no sense that Locke went to Charlie to guard his sweat hut thing when there are 40 other guys just chilling on the beach.

He should have come out of the jungle and looked around for one of the Losties, but because none of them were there he'd have to ask ol' Paulo instead. It would have brought him into the fold much more naturally. consarn, if I can come up with a better way to introduce this character, the writers are seriously slacking off.


The reason Charlie went with them wasn't because Charlie would be all that great a help on the trek..it was to show how Locke and Charlie mended fences and are now speaking again. It would have made no sense to drag out someone else when the writers needed to bring closure to this particular feud.

The introduction of these characters was jarring. I was like, why are these redshirts talking to, let alone yelling at Hurley? Who gave them permission to speak? lol
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I think it's because Damon wants Paulo or Nikki to be involved in the Charlie and Claire love triangle that Damon mentioned in the podcast.
Introducing them that way makes sense to me.

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Yes, I agree. I don't dislike them. But the way they appeared...jarring...

The reason Charlie went with them wasn't because Charlie would be all that great a help on the trek..it was to show how Locke and Charlie mended fences and are now speaking again. It would have made no sense to drag out someone else when the writers needed to bring closure to this particular feud.

To expand a little on that note when two people go off on a "suicide mission" as Charlie described it, they have to have enormous trust in one another. The rift between them had to do with their mutual trust being broken. An experience like this was designed to rebuild that trust. It reached the high point when Charlie made the hairspray remark. He trusted when Locke said he had to go in alone and they both connected. Later Charlie said he'd get the water for Eko and Locke listened. Asking Charlie to guard the tent was also part of building that trust again. Remember when Locke said in F+W that trust was a hard thing to win back and it just takes time.

Me too. Well, I don't like Nikki; we haven't heard Paolo speak yet.
It's like she's name-dropping to prove she's been there all along: "Get Jack. Hurley, where have you been" which is supposed to make us think she's one of the extras that have been milling around for two years. Popping up and suddenly ordering everyone around is quite obnoxious.


I know, I didn't like that either. She was yelling at poor Hurley for not saying what had happened to Jack. I mean Hurley had just gotten back, and she was already biting his head off. She bugged me.

Can I just add:

To Nikki's defence that Claire also had a go at Hurley.

HURLEY: Jack's not coming back. They've got him.
CLAIRE: What? What are you talking about Hurley?
NIKKI: Jack's gone? I don't understand. Okay, when were you planning on telling us this Hurley?

Claire's tone is actually quite condescending (as is Nikki's)

I just thought I'd bring it up.

That makes me wonder how long Hurley had actually been back at the camp. Did he and Des just show up moments before L/C/E or had he been there just hanging around for a while? Maybe he was waiting to see if Locke and Company came back ok first?

Then perhaps they would be a bit upset that he hadn't said anything...but I still didn't like Nikki's tone of voice.

Worst thing for me about how they were introduced, was that they seemed so suspicious; as if they could well be from the Others and we wouldn't know it. I mean, Hurley may have taken a census of who's there, but we viewers have no idea if these new people really were from flight 815 or if they're just people who can't be trusted. It was messy, very messy. :undecide:

I thought what Nikki said was obnoxious, but it was made worse by the fact that it was our first impression of her. For an established character that you know and understand, they can be obnoxious sometimes and get away with it. But when you meet a character for the first time, it's hard to shake a negative first impression. I think that's why people couldn't get over the Ana-Lucia hate. Her first appearance was mean and rotten, beating on Sawyer, etc. By the time they showed us a softer side, our opinion had already been formed. We didn't see enough of Paulo yet to judge but Nikki's first impression was horrible. It struck me like something season one Shannon would say and she had to fight hard to overcome that reputation.

Can I just add:

To Nikki's defence that Claire also had a go at Hurley.


Claire's tone is actually quite condescending (as is Nikki's)

I just thought I'd bring it up.


I agree, but Claire has more right as she knows Hurley, and she just asked him to explain what he just said. Nikki on the other hand comes out of no where and starts yelling.

Another though: I know they didn't want to acutally hire the actors until it was time for Nikki and Paolo to "appear" however, if the writers knew they were going to add characters they should have started name dropping earlier. This way the actor does not have to be present but we are familiar with the names. Simple scenario: "Hey Claire, how did you get that tarp put up by yourself" ...."Oh, Nikki helped me". .They could have done this at the end of S2. Not much of a chance to do it in S3.

I agree, but Claire has more right as she knows Hurley, and she just asked him to explain what he just said. Nikki on the other hand comes out of no where and starts yelling.

Another though: I know they didn't want to acutally hire the actors until it was time for Nikki and Paolo to "appear" however, if the writers knew they were going to add characters they should have started name dropping earlier. This way the actor does not have to be present but we are familiar with the names. Simple scenario: "Hey Claire, how did you get that tarp put up by yourself" ...."Oh, Nikki helped me". .They could have done this at the end of S2. Not much of a chance to do it in S3.

I agree, that would have worked better. It's like how they're name dropping Neil Frogurt all the time. You just expect that one day you'll meet him so it won't be a surprise.

You know what's really funny? Most of you are saying that you hate this characters after only seven seconds on screen and a couple of short lines. I imagine what you'll think about Paulo when you realize that he'll have a big role on Season 3.

At least that's what Lindelof implies on this article: http://exclusivo.terra.com.br/interna/0,,OI1198536-EI1118,00.html

"Rodrigo is an extremely talented actor. We're enjoying to write about his character because, like most characters on Lost, he has this misterious past" (Damon Lindelof)

"Rodrigo Santoro's character will surprise everyone. Like most characters in Lost, he's not what he seems to be. We are really exited to start pulling out the layers of mistery that will surround Paulo's story" (Carlton Cuse)

Take that to the bank :rolleyes:

they sucked. who are 'they'? hello. if you want us to believe these two characters have always been there, then they should know what is going on. nikki was super annoying and i didn't enjoy her yelling at hurley either.

You know what's really funny? Most of you are saying that you hate this characters after only seven seconds on screen and a couple of short lines. I imagine what you'll think about Paulo when you realize that he'll have a big role on Season 3.

At least that's what Lindelof implies on this article: http://exclusivo.terra.com.br/interna/0,,OI1198536-EI1118,00.html

"Rodrigo is an extremely talented actor. We're enjoying to write about his character because, like most characters on Lost, he has this misterious past" (Damon Lindelof)

"Rodrigo Santoro's character will surprise everyone. Like most characters in Lost, he's not what he seems to be. We are really exited to start pulling out the layers of mistery that will surround Paulo's story" (Carlton Cuse)

Take that to the bank :rolleyes:

I can't get too excited about anything Damon says. He said all kinds of things before Season 2 started that didn't pan out. They might have plans for the character but that doesn't always mean that those plans will come to fruition. I can't take anything he says 'to the bank'.

And if he does have a bigger part in Season 3 and if people hate him after 7 seconds I guess they will just hate him a lot more until the Season finale.

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Another though: I know they didn't want to acutally hire the actors until it was time for Nikki and Paolo to "appear" however, if the writers knew they were going to add characters they should have started name dropping earlier. This way the actor does not have to be present but we are familiar with the names. Simple scenario: "Hey Claire, how did you get that tarp put up by yourself" ...."Oh, Nikki helped me". .They could have done this at the end of S2. Not much of a chance to do it in S3.

I agree that this could have been done to make the integration more fluid and in hindsight TPTB would probably have done that during S2.

I agree, but Claire has more right as she knows Hurley, and she just asked him to explain what he just said. Nikki on the other hand comes out of no where and starts yelling.


What is to say that Nikki doesn't know Hurley? We have to assume that Nikki and Hurley have some kind of island relationship. So its unfair to say that just because we have seen Claire and Hurley's relationship and not Nikki and Hurley's, that it gives Claire better excuse to shout at him.

Sorry for playing devil's advocate.


ETA: Libby was meant to have a mysterious past, it means nothing on the island. Or for screentime either.

Their introduction was awkward at best. It's difficult to keep an open mind about these characters since they seem to be a replacement for Shannon & Boone. We wouldn't even need them if the writers hadn't killed off the beautiful brother/sister team!

And if he does have a bigger part in Season 3 and if people hate him after 7 seconds I guess they will just hate him a lot more until the Season finale.

...when he dies. ;)

ETA: Libby was meant to have a mysterious past, it means nothing on the island. Or for screentime either.

He! Good one Matt! 2 points for you. Yeah, remember that great backstory planned for Libby?

Their introduction was awkward at best. It's difficult to keep an open mind about these characters since they seem to be a replacement for Shannon & Boone. We wouldn't even need them if the writers hadn't killed off the beautiful brother/sister team!

They're the new and improved Shannon and Boone. They're now free to have sex without that pesky incest problem. :)

...when he dies. ;)



He! Good one Matt! 2 points for you. Yeah, remember that great backstory planned for Libby?



And Ana was to be Jack's love interest and there was going to be some kind of romantic quadrangle happen with Sawyer and Kate?:rolleyes:


I still say Nikki and Paulo=screentime sucking vampires! :biggrin:

quote by passport:

Can I just add:

To Nikki's defence that Claire also had a go at Hurley.


Quote:
HURLEY: Jack's not coming back. They've got him.
CLAIRE: What? What are you talking about Hurley?
NIKKI: Jack's gone? I don't understand. Okay, when were you planning on telling us this Hurley?
Claire's tone is actually quite condescending (as is Nikki's)

I just thought I'd bring it up.


In my opinion Nikki's is a lot more condescending. Hurley just gets back and she gives out to him "when were you planning on telling us this Hurley?" that comment was not needed. Claire was probably upset, Jack has been there to take care of her baby, im nearly sure she did not mean to say it in a condescending way, unlike Nikki's tone.

I don't like them. They will take screentime away from character I already know and like!

(kidding...just kidding) I'm trying hard to fight a prejudice against them and its not working.

Seriously..who needs them? We have enough characters already.

I completely agree. There's too many people fighting for air time already. I don't like them and they are not needed. Nikki better get back behind Claire in air time status.
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I still say Nikki and Paulo=screentime sucking vampires! :biggrin:

Lol.. love that quote, I think i might just put it in my siggy! :biggrin:

A better way to have introduced "Paulo" would be to have had HIM accompany Locke on his little quest. It made absolutely no sense that Locke went to Charlie to guard his sweat hut thing when there are 40 other guys just chilling on the beach.

He should have come out of the jungle and looked around for one of the Losties, but because none of them were there he'd have to ask ol' Paulo instead. It would have brought him into the fold much more naturally. consarn, if I can come up with a better way to introduce this character, the writers are seriously slacking off.

TTM that is a good point. Given Locke and Charlie's history, one would think he would trust almost anybody more then Charlie.

Lol.. love that quote, I think i might just put it in my siggy! :biggrin:

That's funny. I think the inspiration came from something Pace said about them 'sucking screentime away from the main characters' (paraphrase) and I just took the idea and ran with it. :D

Someone suggested it could be the title of an anti-ship. :D

Originally Posted by Tiny Time Machine
A better way to have introduced "Paulo" would be to have had HIM accompany Locke on his little quest. It made absolutely no sense that Locke went to Charlie to guard his sweat hut thing when there are 40 other guys just chilling on the beach.

He should have come out of the jungle and looked around for one of the Losties, but because none of them were there he'd have to ask ol' Paulo instead. It would have brought him into the fold much more naturally. consarn, if I can come up with a better way to introduce this character, the writers are seriously slacking off.

Yeah this would have worked fine I agree. I have to say a lot of people the people on here are ridiculous. We saw maybe 10 seconds of these two characters if that and everyone hates them already....for crying out loud. I mean I will admit Nikki's line did rub me the wrong way a little, but I don't see how we have anywhere close to enough information to evaluate either of these characters. While I would have come up with a better introduction for these guys, I am very interested to see how the writers incorporate them into the show.

Yeah this would have worked fine I agree. I have to say a lot of people the people on here are ridiculous. We saw maybe 10 seconds of these two characters if that and everyone hates them already....for crying out loud. I mean I will admit Nikki's line did rub me the wrong way a little, but I don't see how we have anywhere close to enough information to evaluate either of these characters. While I would have come up with a better introduction for these guys, I am very interested to see how the writers incorporate them into the show.

I can't speak for everyone else but I'm joking. I do think there are some genuine haters about though. :D

To have Locke have anyone else accompany him on the trek would have put off the Charlie/Locke reconciliation. For whatever reason the writers wanted to get that straightened out early in the season...

Although I agree completely about a better way to introduce the new people!

You know what's really funny? Most of you are saying that you hate this characters after only seven seconds on screen and a couple of short lines. I imagine what you'll think about Paulo when you realize that he'll have a big role on Season 3.

At least that's what Lindelof implies on this article: http://exclusivo.terra.com.br/interna/0,,OI1198536-EI1118,00.html

"Rodrigo is an extremely talented actor. We're enjoying to write about his character because, like most characters on Lost, he has this misterious past" (Damon Lindelof)

"Rodrigo Santoro's character will surprise everyone. Like most characters in Lost, he's not what he seems to be. We are really exited to start pulling out the layers of mistery that will surround Paulo's story" (Carlton Cuse)

Take that to the bank :rolleyes:

We still don't have to like them no matter how big their roll becomes...or at least I wont. AnnaL was a big character in S2, nobody liked her and looked what happened. Look at all the Jack haters on here and he is the biggest character.

Its not a real dislike for their characters, at least IMO. Its more the fact that weve NEVER seen these people before. And yes, I can make out a lot of the regular background actors. Its not normal for random people to just start digging in with our losties, so it was a jarring introduction.

What is to say that Nikki doesn't know Hurley? We have to assume that Nikki and Hurley have some kind of island relationship. So its unfair to say that just because we have seen Claire and Hurley's relationship and not Nikki and Hurley's, that it gives Claire better excuse to shout at him.

Sorry for playing devil's advocate.


I enjoy the banter back and forth, and you are right. I guess I should have said that we know Hurley knows Claire...We don't know if Hurley knows Nikki or not, and that's the problem I'm having, all the ambiguity.

I just have to put in my 2 cents about how upset I am at the introduction of these new characters. It was just plain wrong. We all have been watching since the beginning and we have NEVER seen a Nikki or a Paulo in the background, sorry but they needed to have at least small speaking parts in S1 or S2 for me to like these characters.

Now unfortunately I cannot like these characters, hopefully I will begin to forget thier tragic beginning but the badness that surrounded thier entry into the show has now tainted their character for me.

Also, and this is the biggest thing, who the H-E-double hockey sticks does Nikki think she is yelling at Hurley like that. First of all, hellooooo, he JUST GOT BACK when could he have told you sooner?

Sorry if I have repeated some sentiments, I haven't read the whole thead yet, I just skipped to the end so I could vent!

I dread the day when Paulo does something terrible and some fans won't care because "he's hot!":rolleyes:

Shannon was at least funny when she was obnoxious. She had the whole Valley thng down. Nikki is no Shannon.


I dread the say when Paulo does something terrible and some fans won't care because "he's hot!":rolleyes:


And you KNOW that's going to happen.

I didn't realise that there are so many would-be Screentime Sucking Vampire Slayers. I feel really sorry for Rodrigo and Kiele.

I enjoy the banter back and forth, and you are right. I guess I should have said that we know Hurley knows Claire...We don't know if Hurley knows Nikki or not, and that's the problem I'm having, all the ambiguity.

I agree that the ambiguity is going to be the hardest thing for the writers to overcome when writing for Nikki and Paulo. Yet I think that the only time they could have been name dropped was during S.O.S last year, the climax to season 2 was just so intense that it would have been jarring even to hear their names mentioned.

I also don't quite understand where people get the shouting at Hurley idea from. Her voice does not raise in volume throughout her lines, its all the same level. However the difference is frustration. I think that we will find that, like Kate, Nikki feels resentment because she is out of the loop.

Plausible?

I just feel they are unnecessary, and I hope this is beginning of a writing decision to keep their presence to a minimum. We already have enough Losties! I don't want the airtime to be spread too thin.

Shannon was IMMENSELY better than any other "inconsiderate" characters on the island. That's what made Shannon who she was. Maybe we'll see the histories of these two people...or maybe...maybe they just appeared....due to the hatch explosion? Maybe the island turned Rose and Bernard INTO Nikki and Paulo to infiltrate the Losties, then used time travel to mess with their minds and make everyone think they remembered them. Is that too far fetched? Probably...but its a theory nonetheless...guess I should go put it in the theories thread. What is this thread about, anyway? Is it just thoughts on Nikki and Paulo? Cuz they didn't seem that bad to me. Again, just "woah, who are these people and where did they come from"?

Nikki is no Shannon.

Amen to that Pacejunkie.

I'm sorry but I just have to ask those of you who are not upset by thier lame entrance, why? Have you not been watching the same show? We thrive on EVERY SINGLE DETAIL and we know and have lists of all of the Losties that are not the main characters, Larry: the guy with the rash, Sceve, Frogurt...etc. Why couldn't they be one of the people we know?

Why couldn't they have been wandering the jungle for the past 60 days and just now happen to wander into camp? If they are going to be such main characters then the 2 minutes allowed for them to explain that wouldn't be so bad.

Also, please let me add that this has nothing to do with the actor and actress themselves (I loved the show Related). The reason I mention this is someone said they feel bad for the actors....I'm sure are going to be great, my problem is with the way they were introduced.

Hell, it would have been cooler if they had introduced the writer of the diary from season 1, Janelle Grainger, instead of Nikki. That would have made some sense, and we would have a cool chunk of "holy crap!" continuity.

Ah well. I hope they do a better job of them in future episodes.

And just for the record, I'm glad they didn't introduce them in the way that people keep spoiler-fonting. It would have been even worse!:mad:

I'm sorry but I just have to ask those of you who are not upset by thier lame entrance, why? Have you not been watching the same show? We thrive on EVERY SINGLE DETAIL and we know and have lists of all of the Losties that are not the main characters, Larry: the guy with the rash, Sceve, Frogurt...etc. Why couldn't they be one of the people we know?

Princess, the every single detail argument isn't going to work in this thread. So far we have 10 pages basically bashing (or defending) a thirty second scene. Thats a tiny portion of the episode. Thrive on every little detail, we do indeed.

Yes, I understand where your coming from, Ralph, Tracey, Larry etc. Why not? I don't see any reasoning as to why it should be either. We hadn't heard of Dr Arzt before he was introduced. I think its quite reasonable to introduce 2 characters we hadn't heard about. If we did the maths it is probably more likely that a newly introduced character is someone we havent heard of before.

Why couldn't they have been wandering the jungle for the past 60 days and just now happen to wander into camp? If they are going to be such main characters then the 2 minutes allowed for them to explain that wouldn't be so bad.

Well people were complaining about the Tailies wandering into camp last season. I wonder how they would feel about 2 people surviving the Other/Monster/Polar Bear infested jungle for near on 70 days and surviving it. Danielle didn't discover them? They weren't taken by the Others?
No, even more people would have complained if it had happened this way.

Princess, the every single detail argument isn't going to work in this thread. So far we have 10 pages basically bashing (or defending) a thirty second scene. Thats a tiny portion of the episode. Thrive on every little detail, we do indeed.

Passport, it's not so much the scene it is the way the writers chose to introduce them. I truly believe ANY other way would not have had so much hate. I myself could totally believe that just the two of them were wandering around for 60 days, a whole group of people, no (and they did explain that the tailies kind of stayed in one spot b/c they were scared).

I really wanted to like these characters, but now they have a dark cloud hangning over them....hopefully thier storyline will be so compelling that I will forget this ever happened;)

And just for the record, I'm glad they didn't introduce them in the way that people keep spoiler-fonting. It would have been even worse!:mad:

Well, don't go having any celebratory parties just yet. They shot the scene and its in the can. It was contained in the official episode description for this episode and they could still decide to use it in a future episode prior to their next appearance.

A better way to introduce the characters would be:
CHARLIE: Claire, go and get Nikki, she knows first aid.
Or something along those lines. Have Nikki and Paulo together. Then they are introduced... Nikki could say: Paulo fetch some water.


This would have been a perfect intro! By filling a specific need, it makes it more natural, like the intro of Artz. However, somehow it always bothers me when I see the extras in the background. I'm not sure why, but it always feels fake to me that there are people just hanging out not concerned with the main plot. I want only the main characters to be stuck on the island. I guess I need more willing suspension of disbelief...

Passport, it's not so much the scene it is the way the writers chose to introduce them. I truly believe ANY other way would not have had so much hate. I myself could totally believe that just the two of them were wandering around for 60 days, a whole group of people, no (and they did explain that the tailies kind of stayed in one spot b/c they were scared).

So, if only Paulo had been introduced in this scene would there have been less hate? (To me the only unrealistic thing about this scene is Nikki running out from behind a hut.)

I really wanted to like these characters, but now they have a dark cloud hangning over them....hopefully thier storyline will be so compelling that I will forget this ever happened;)

I hope so too, especially for Nikki - she seems to be the one who all the hate is directed towards. I mean I'd quite like to see some catiness on the beach... I can't wait for more development.

let's all face it the only reason these 2 are on the show is so they can kill them off at some point

Well, don't go having any celebratory parties just yet. They shot the scene and its in the can. It was contained in the official episode description for this episode and they could still decide to use it in a future episode prior to their next appearance.

Oh groan. I can hardly wait for that! :rolleyes:

Why can't they give me what *I* want! I mean are 10 Jarlie episodes in a row to much to ask for? :D

let's all face it the only reason these 2 are on the show is so they can kill them off at some point

*hands Nikki and Paulo two red shirts* :twisted:

*hands Nikki and Paulo two red shirts* :twisted:

Noooooooooo - you can't harm the screentime sucking vampires. *Protects the screentime sucking vampires*

Matt

I just can't get over the feeling that TPTB are in a sense cheating by creating brand new characters out of extras. Just seems cheap to me.

Instead, what they ought to do is expand previously introduced characters who have now, for some reason or another, found themselves cast aside.

Besides, allowing nobodies in the background emerge as regulars simply reinforces the notion that Lost's plot and story-line is really anybodies (including the TPTB) guess. If they so swiftly and carelessly could eliminate two somewhat prominent characters (Libby and Ana-Lucia), whilst introducing new characters out of nothingness, who is to say that there indeed is a solid storyline to which the creators can adhere to?

And where have they been for the last two years? I thought we had been exposed to everyone from the fuselage and most of those from the tail. Now suddenly, two newbies show up. Duh!

Cut the whole whoopie scene. Guess that, 1) the outcry about it got TPTB to reconsider introducing them that way; and 2) they just ran out of time to show it!

Heck, if you blinked, you missed them! And they even had LINES!



They ran out of time because of all the commercials.

*hands Nikki and Paulo two red shirts* :twisted:


I'll see your two redshirts and I'll raise you one small plane. :evil1:

A better way to introduce the characters would be:
CHARLIE: Claire, go and get Nikki, she knows first aid.
Or something along those lines. Have Nikki and Paulo together. Then they are introduced... Nikki could say: Paulo fetch some water.


This would have been a perfect intro! By filling a specific need, it makes it more natural, like the intro of Artz. However, somehow it always bothers me when I see the extras in the background. I'm not sure why, but it always feels fake to me that there are people just hanging out not concerned with the main plot. I want only the main characters to be stuck on the island. I guess I need more willing suspension of disbelief...

I'm right there with you. Arzt filled a specific need, and yet remained in the background while doing so, and then he was blown up. Nikki and Paolo are trying to assimilate into main character status. New character development, a whole new set of flasbacks, more time and energy invested when we still have unanswered questions about our main group. Now you will have to wait extra long for your favorite character's centric episode. Do we need this? Do we want this? The tailies I didn't mind, they were a whole new set of people and the writers intigrated them well IMO, the same goes for the Others, but don't just stick people in with our main group that we have followed for two years (70 days lost time).

Possible introduction of Nikki;

NIKKI: Jack's gone? I don't understand. Okay, when were you planning on telling us this Hurley?
HURLEY: *stares bewildered at NIKKI* Who the heck are you?

That would have been friggin hilarious:grin:.

Elf and Pace, you too are so mean *sulks*

Next you'll be claiming to have stuck garlic cloves to your TV's in order to keep the Screentime Sucking Vampires away.

I'm right there with you. Arzt filled a specific need, and yet remained in the background while doing so, and then he was blown up. Nikki and Paolo are trying to assimilate into main character status. New character development, a whole new set of flasbacks, more time and energy invested when we still have unanswered questions about our main group. Now you will have to wait extra long for your favorite character's centric episode. Do we need this? Do we want this? The tailies I didn't mind, they were a whole new set of people and the writers intigrated them well IMO, the same goes for the Others, but don't just stick people in with our main group that we have followed for two years (70 days lost time).

Honestly I understand your point, I wonder if people would have been annoyed with Rose if she had been introduced later? - she is our only (real) guest Fusie. I think that if the characters get flashbacks this season they will be developed and have a fan following before it happens.

I'm right there with you. Arzt filled a specific need, and yet remained in the background while doing so, and then he was blown up. Nikki and Paolo are trying to assimilate into main character status. New character development, a whole new set of flasbacks, more time and energy invested when we still have unanswered questions about our main group. Now you will have to wait extra long for your favorite character's centric episode. Do we need this? Do we want this? The tailies I didn't mind, they were a whole new set of people and the writers intigrated them well IMO, the same goes for the Others, but don't just stick people in with our main group that we have followed for two years (70 days lost time).

Amen! Preach it! Can I get a witness up in here?

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Sorry. I tend to get carried away at times. :D

Passport-I'm just messing around. I really don't 'hate' them. They might well turn out to be favorites...but right now I'm just a little...put out about it all.

But now that you mention it...garlic. Hmm......

:D

Passport-I'm just messing around. I really don't 'hate' them.

Aww Elfie, I know, I was playing along... ;)

Matt
xx

Possible introduction of Nikki;

NIKKI: Jack's gone? I don't understand. Okay, when were you planning on telling us this Hurley?
HURLEY: *stares bewildered at NIKKI* Who the heck are you?

That would have been friggin hilarious:grin:.

:rotflmao2: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Next you'll be claiming to have stuck garlic cloves to your TV's in order to keep the Screentime Sucking Vampires away.

Hey, why didn't I think of that? ;)

Truthfully I'm kidding too, but I thought their entrance seemed forced. I'm still keeping an open mind (as long as Rodrigo is only contracted for one year. Shh).
:biggrin:

What waw clumsy about their introduction wasn't so much what the characters said or did, but the way the camera lingered on their faces for a few seconds, as if to say, "These are new regular characters. Know their faces. Get used to them." That was pretty transparent, IMO.

Yeah, they did really concentrate on showing them... They've never given extras that much face time before, so you're right, it WAS kind of like they were trying to prove that these were important new people. That really bugged me.

That is actually a really unfair comment. I can't see how anyone can judge the acting talent of a character who only gets 7 seconds of airtime in an episode. Thats a really bad excuse to dislike a character.
Also if someone hadn't asked "where is Jack?" then everyone would be complaining about it.
I have faith in the lost casting team, this is the same team who brought us Henry Ian Cusick, Michael Emerson and Elizabeth Mitchell. Please give Kiele and Rodrigo a chance to prove their acting merit, don't slate them as 'bad actors' when they are on screen for 7 seconds.

I agree. Now, to be honest, I'm of course going to give Nikki and Paulo a chance, but am I really going to become attached to them (at least anytime soon)? Doubtful. But that has nothing to do with an actor's talent. For example, I absolutely loathe Locke, but I am a big fan of Terry.

What about all the old redshirts!??!! I agree!

I kind of hope these wo DO die because I dont want any of our people to die, but then thats just dumb to make new characters and then kill them off. But I REALLY dont want one o four characters to die and these random ne wpeople to take their place

Well, there's always the chance that NO ONE dies. *tries to remain optimistic*

I just can't get over the feeling that TPTB are in a sense cheating by creating brand new characters out of extras. Just seems cheap to me.

Instead, what they ought to do is expand previously introduced characters who have now, for some reason or another, found themselves cast aside.

Besides, allowing nobodies in the background emerge as regulars simply reinforces the notion that Lost's plot and story-line is really anybodies (including the TPTB) guess. If they so swiftly and carelessly could eliminate two somewhat prominent characters (Libby and Ana-Lucia), whilst introducing new characters out of nothingness, who is to say that there indeed is a solid storyline to which the creators can adhere to?

Nikki and Paulo have never appeared on the background before. They have never been hired as extras. This is the first episode we actually saw them. Therefore, they are not brand new characters created out of extras.

Nikki and Paulo have never appeared on the background before. They have never been hired as extras. This is the first episode we actually saw them. Therefore, they are not brand new characters created out of extras.

Chad said they are doing that "in a sense", meaning they may be newly cast, but we are supposed to believe they've been part of the fuselage survivors milling around with the extras in the background all this time (and they're beautiful and are assertive and yeah right they've never made their presence known before).

To me it just all adds to my sense of detahcment to what's going on. In season one we felt like we were privy to every conversation and happening. Then in season two we learned that we were not privy to every conversation and that things happen "off camera" that we don't see. Well now it turns out there are people who exist "off camera" that we don't see and they have been having interactions, discussions and happenings with the regular main losties all this time? What else is happening that I don't know about? I feel like what airs on the show is only about a fraction of what actually takes place in their world and that fraction gets smaller each season.

I probably qualify for "troll" status in that I love reading what every one picks up on, theories, etc. and rarely post myself. But Nikki & Paulo's (aka Flashback Fillers) introduction really concerns me on multiple levels.
First and foremost, (as many posters have pointed out), to introduce two characters with the premise being that they've been on the island all along is troublesome; introducing Tailies works b/c they existed in a separate location and thus have a storyline of their own (same thing w/ the Others and Desmond). But to attempt to establish these two people who have never spoken, never been involved in any aspect of any storyline that we've emotionally invested ourselves in to in any capacity as being ready to sit at the Big Kids' table is patently ridiculous. If they're compelling enough to be involved going forward, then they should've been compelling enough to be involved from the jump-off. Now we'll undoubtedly be forced to sit through Paulo & Nikki flashbacks where she has an affair w/ Christian Shepherd, or Paulo is hired by Sun's Dad to keep watch on Sun & Jin, etc. and it will be a/b as compelling as SOS, the worst example of Flashback Filler I can give. (An episode I didn't even bother to re-watch when I purchased the Season 2 DVD). I am invested in many aspects of this show; but I'll take a Rousseau flashback over being force-fed the backstories of two characters I could care less a/b. Instead of giving us Paolo, give us Scott, or Steve, or whichever one's alive. You can still have your Brazilian Tom Cruise in the role. Bottom line: if they're important enough to warrant flashbacks now, (which they presumably will be), then they were from the beginning. They didn't, so stick to the original cast and find compelling exposition in the Flashbacks of Our Losties.
(And they certainly didn't do poor Nikki any favors by having her first line involve her berating one of the most beloved characters on the show for not sharing information that he JUST RETURNED FROM witnessing. I know the perfect victim for the Smoke Monster's return; she's cute, abrasive, and wears a red shirt. Let's hope the island demands a few more sacrifices.)

I agree. No one was ever seen talking to them, not even in the background and all of a sudden..Wham! they are right there in you face. Now they are part of the "main group"?? Now I have to invest into these characters? We do not need new losties. If your going to add characters add them to the Others. Yep, I hate them.
LOL.:biggrin:
The writers are going to have problems with these two. If they come across as particularly competent, or with leadership qualities, it's going to be impossible to believe that they've never been involved in anything before. But if they don't, then why should we care about them?

The regular characters also know them well (and vice versa), although we don't. They've made their friendships and alliances, dealt with their conflicts, and been part of the group dynamics. They should act like people who know each other, and avoid exposition on the new characters for the viewers' sake. Or there should be some explanation for why they haven't been around too much. If it feels like the 'regulars' are getting to know them over the next episodes, that's going to ring false.

Good luck, gentleman (and ladies), I've got a feeling you're going to need it.
Big time.

I only read half the thread (sorry), but I want to weigh in on this. It's completely unbelievable that they've been on the beach from day one, and now suddenly they are popping up with lines.

They should have kept Ana-Lucia, and continued to soften her up and redeem her character. I realize that it was understood how long the actress' contract was, but that was a great character (and actress). Heck, they should have kept Goodwin, as well.

Kiele and Rodrigo are really going to have to bring it, in order for me to accept them.

If their acting talents are so important (and I don't know that they are), they should have been brought on as Others or FB characters, not Losties on the beach.

Oh well.

I thought their introduction was really cheesy and poorly done.:22: And the timing of it came across like filler, an afterthought.

I probably qualify for "troll" status in that I love reading what every one picks up on, theories, etc. and rarely post myself. But Nikki & Paulo's (aka Flashback Fillers) introduction really concerns me on multiple levels.
First and foremost, (as many posters have pointed out), to introduce two characters with the premise being that they've been on the island all along is troublesome; introducing Tailies works b/c they existed in a separate location and thus have a storyline of their own (same thing w/ the Others and Desmond). But to attempt to establish these two people who have never spoken, never been involved in any aspect of any storyline that we've emotionally invested ourselves in to in any capacity as being ready to sit at the Big Kids' table is patently ridiculous. If they're compelling enough to be involved going forward, then they should've been compelling enough to be involved from the jump-off. Now we'll undoubtedly be forced to sit through Paulo & Nikki flashbacks where she has an affair w/ Christian Shepherd, or Paulo is hired by Sun's Dad to keep watch on Sun & Jin, etc. and it will be a/b as compelling as SOS, the worst example of Flashback Filler I can give. (An episode I didn't even bother to re-watch when I purchased the Season 2 DVD). I am invested in many aspects of this show; but I'll take a Rousseau flashback over being force-fed the backstories of two characters I could care less a/b. Instead of giving us Paolo, give us Scott, or Steve, or whichever one's alive. You can still have your Brazilian Tom Cruise in the role. Bottom line: if they're important enough to warrant flashbacks now, (which they presumably will be), then they were from the beginning. They didn't, so stick to the original cast and find compelling exposition in the Flashbacks of Our Losties.
(And they certainly didn't do poor Nikki any favors by having her first line involve her berating one of the most beloved characters on the show for not sharing information that he JUST RETURNED FROM witnessing. I know the perfect victim for the Smoke Monster's return; she's cute, abrasive, and wears a red shirt. Let's hope the island demands a few more sacrifices.)

To answer that, I'd like to quote Dr. Arzt from Exodus to make my point:

"You know, you people think you're the only ones on this island doing anything of value. I've got news for you. There were 40 other survivors of this plane crash. And we are all people, too."

Nobody expects lost to be a Big Brother like show. You just can't keep tabs on everything that goes on on the island. Nobody has a single clue to how everyone of those 40 survivors look like. Sure, we saw a few of them. But that's it. We haven't see ALL of them. And we know they are there. And it doesn't mean that just because they have been cast as regulars they'll have centric episodes, and I'm not saying they won't. Look at Shannon during season 1 or even Libby. And story-arc-wise, what's wrong with two people wanting to help the group, as a whole, when they need the most. 6 of them have gone missing, and one of them (Jack, that is) is the one that have been looking after everybody -- yes, not only the regular cast from season 1 got to be sick, as we saw that rash guy during the "1st Island Open Golf Tournament". And, honestly, in my POV, SOS was a really good episode and can't wait to see the story behind the newbies. The fact of the matter is, there are a bunch of other survivors on that island and I don't see what's so wrong about adding them to the story. And I'm sorry, but saying that they CAN'T just because they weren't part of the story from the start, it's not much of an argument to me -- You can't have EVERY survivor's story explained from the begining, and I see no trouble at all getting to know them.

Oooh! I'm so glad someone else was upset about this introduction. The people who don't read the spoilers probably didn't know who the heck they were. It seemed almost like people won a contest to appear as characters on Lost or something... It was a horrible way of introducing them, they should have had them do *something* at least. I especially hated the emphasis Locke put on saying their names. Nope, I do not like this one bit :mad:

I probably qualify for "troll" status in that I love reading what every one picks up on, theories, etc. and rarely post myself. But Nikki & Paulo's (aka Flashback Fillers) introduction really concerns me on multiple levels.
First and foremost, (as many posters have pointed out), to introduce two characters with the premise being that they've been on the island all along is troublesome; introducing Tailies works b/c they existed in a separate location and thus have a storyline of their own (same thing w/ the Others and Desmond). But to attempt to establish these two people who have never spoken, never been involved in any aspect of any storyline that we've emotionally invested ourselves in to in any capacity as being ready to sit at the Big Kids' table is patently ridiculous. If they're compelling enough to be involved going forward, then they should've been compelling enough to be involved from the jump-off. Now we'll undoubtedly be forced to sit through Paulo & Nikki flashbacks where she has an affair w/ Christian Shepherd, or Paulo is hired by Sun's Dad to keep watch on Sun & Jin, etc. and it will be a/b as compelling as SOS, the worst example of Flashback Filler I can give. (An episode I didn't even bother to re-watch when I purchased the Season 2 DVD). I am invested in many aspects of this show; but I'll take a Rousseau flashback over being force-fed the backstories of two characters I could care less a/b. Instead of giving us Paolo, give us Scott, or Steve, or whichever one's alive. You can still have your Brazilian Tom Cruise in the role. Bottom line: if they're important enough to warrant flashbacks now, (which they presumably will be), then they were from the beginning. They didn't, so stick to the original cast and find compelling exposition in the Flashbacks of Our Losties.
(And they certainly didn't do poor Nikki any favors by having her first line involve her berating one of the most beloved characters on the show for not sharing information that he JUST RETURNED FROM witnessing. I know the perfect victim for the Smoke Monster's return; she's cute, abrasive, and wears a red shirt. Let's hope the island demands a few more sacrifices.)

Now that was a post worth de-lurking for. You're not a troll at all! :)

Guys. Don't worry. Damon and TPTB are not stupid. I'm sure they'll have some kind of scene where Nikki says to someone, "I have left in the dark for 2 months. I am sick of it. I'm going to get some answers." Or maybe she'll be like Arzt, and say, "Just because some of us aren't involved in all your little quests, doesn't mean we aren't important."

Oh, and how many of you would actually recognize the original extras if it were not Faith Fay, Scott, or Steve?

I just think that it is Ironic that people used to complain about how it was only 15 people doing important things on the island. Now people are complaining because the characters are going to do something.

Last but not least, characters need to die. The flashbacks are getting stale, and the characters are always doing the same thing. I didn't like Shannon, Boone, Ana-Lucia or Libby until after they died. A TV show needs new characters, and they need to get rid of old characters. It's just how it goes. If they killed off everybody except the remaining characters from season 1? The only interactions you would see would be from like 12 people. It would seriously be like survivor, and it couldn't go on for more then 1 season.

Yeah, but you cant kill of too many people. Especially on Lost because we dont know how their story will affect the show in the future.

I was frankly underwhelmed last night, and with the way I've read these characters are going to be portrayed I'm kind of wary about whats going to happen with them. Are we getting a couple in the model of an Eko or a Desmond, or are we going to have two new Ana Lucias? Time will tell I guess.:rolleyes:

Yeah, everyone was aware all this time that there were other survivors here. Did anyone think that they were just walking around like zombies, not saying or doing anything? There has been a lot of background social and interpersonal interaction that we have never seen between all of the other people living on this beach. >Sobek< is right, people used to always complain about not learning about any of the background characters.

Nikki + Paulo = SSV's

(screen-sucking vampires)

:biggrin:

And it doesn't mean that just because they have been cast as regulars they'll have centric episodes, and I'm not saying they won't.

If only it were that easy! According to the ABC press releases (press release for FI (http://www.abcmedianet.com/ams/assets/both/2006/010/03/100206_11.html)), Kiele Sanchez and Rodrigo Santoro are only guest stars, Damon mentioned they are recurring characters... no idea why their names are listed together with the names of the regulars now. :shrug: Probably some legal/contractual/financial thing, but it's definitely confusing!

I sooo want Danielle to stomp out of the jungle, take a look at these two, declare them 'sick' and put a bullet in each one's head.:)

Seriously, I'll be offended if they try to pass these two off as 815 survivors.

I must say I was not at all impressed with the way these two characters were introduced to us last night, and though I wont go so far as to say I hate them, I will admit that having them on as main characters will take time away from an already large ensemble cast that compete for screentime as it is.

I think if TPTB wanted us to like these two, they could have introduced them in a much more subtle way. Many people that have already posted made some pretty good suggestions like having them help out the established losties in some way and maybe even have one of the established losties say something like "I'm sorry, what was your name again?" to either one of the two. A situation like that would have showed us that they have been in the background all the while and that our established losties know who they are but are not super close. Because after all, how can you expect us to believe these two were part of the core group when this is the first time in 3 seasons we've ever seen them interact with them?

Like most of the other posters I have to agree that the appearence of Paulo and Nikki felt very abrupt and even forced. A subtle introduction would have helped us to ease into these characters, rather than having them burst on the scene. This is especially true in the case of Nikki who came in like gang busters, scolding Hurley and crying out for Jack. Having said that I have to be greatful, even if just slightly, that they were introduced in this way and not they way that was originally intended.
The two are caught together in Jack's tent.
I think I would have been even more turned off by these characters had that scene stayed in because I/we, unlike the beached losties, know whats going on with Jack, Kate and Sawyer and to me that would have seemed totally inappropriate.

To be fair I will say that they, at that point at least, were probably unaware of J/K/S predicament, but in either case, I just would have felt it completely wrong, especially because of the fact that they were new additions. We can forgive Hurley for hording food because its Hurley and we love him, but have some other unknown go and do something like that and you'll see an entirely different audience reaction.

You know the old saying, you'll never have a second chance to make a first impression? I hope for the sake of these two actors, that this is not the case.

Or maybe she'll be like Arzt, and say, "Just because some of us aren't involved in all your little quests, doesn't mean we aren't important."


Yes, then they blew him to kingdom come. Still one of my favorite lost moments ever, in a non-sadistic way.

I must say I was not at all impressed with the way these two characters were introduced to us last night, and though I wont go so far as to say I hate them, I will admit that having them on as main characters will take time away from an already large ensemble cast that compete for screentime as it is.

I think if TPTB wanted us to like these two, they could have introduced them in a much more subtle way. Many people that have already posted made some pretty good suggestions like having them help out the established losties in some way and maybe even have one of the established losties say something like "I'm sorry, what was your name again?" to either one of the two. A situation like that would have showed us that they have been in the background all the while and that our established losties know who they are but are not super close. Because after all, how can you expect us to believe these two were part of the core group when this is the first time in 3 seasons we've ever seen them interact with them?

Like most of the other posters I have to agree that the appearence of Paulo and Nikki felt very abrupt and even forced. A subtle introduction would have helped us to ease into these characters, rather than having them burst on the scene. This is especially true in the case of Nikki who came in like gang busters, scolding Hurley and crying out for Jack. Having said that I have to be greatful, even if just slightly, that they were introduced in this way and not they way that was originally intended.
The two are caught together in Jack's tent.
I think I would have been even more turned off by these characters had that scene stayed in because I/we, unlike the beached losties, know whats going on with Jack, Kate and Sawyer and to me that would have seemed totally inappropriate.

To be fair I will say that they, at that point at least, were probably unaware of J/K/S predicament, but in either case, I just would have felt it completely wrong, especially because of the fact that they were new additions. We can forgive Hurley for hording food because its Hurley and we love him, but have some other unknown go and do something like that and you'll see an entirely different audience reaction.

You know the old saying, you'll never have a second chance to make a first impression? I hope for the sake of these two actors, that this is not the case.

Good post. I agree.

Want an example of the right way to introduce background fusies? Scott and Steve in the Moth. Charlie runs onto the beach, tells Michael he needs help, Michael turns to a guy in the background and says, "Hey, Steve?" He says "I'm Scott", the other guy says "I'm Steve" and they run off to help. Perfect, now we've established Scott and Steve.

Nikki and Paulo should have been way in the background and when Charlie and Locke appeared with Eko, Claire could have yelled for help, asked them what their names were and then asked them to pitch in.

If only it were that easy! According to the ABC press releases (press release for FI (http://www.abcmedianet.com/ams/assets/both/2006/010/03/100206_11.html)), Kiele Sanchez and Rodrigo Santoro are only guest stars, Damon mentioned they are recurring characters... no idea why their names are listed together with the names of the regulars now. :shrug: Probably some legal/contractual/financial thing, but it's definitely confusing!

See, that confuses me. Daniel Roebuck wasn't listed with the regular characters. Neither were L. Scott Caldwell or Sam Anderson. So why do Kiele and Rodrigo get their names up there? It would only make sense if they were main characters, but if that contradicts what Damon said... I dunno.

Either TPTB want us shaking in our boots afraid they are waiting in the wings to replace a regular character or two who will die, or it's all a ruse and they are only contracted for a year and they will in fact die. Take your pick. My money's on the latter. Rodrigo is a big movie star. He's not committing to this silly little role.

Nikki and Paulo should have been way in the background and when Charlie and Locke appeared with Eko, Claire could have yelled for help, asked them what their names were and then asked them to pitch in.
What was so ludricrous about it (other than abruptness out of nowhere) was that Nikki asked Hurley "WHEN were you going to tell us this?", and he had apparently JUST returned to the beach after being released by The Others. Yeah, she doesn't know what he'd been through, and might not have known he had JUST returned, but still...it didn't work.
See, that confuses me. Daniel Roebuck wasn't listed with the regular characters. Neither were L. Scott Caldwell or Sam Anderson. So why do Kiele and Rodrigo get their names up there? It would only make sense if they were main characters, but if that contradicts what Damon said... I dunno.
I chalk it up to their agents getting it written into their contracts.:confused:

I can't even keep track of how many actual characters their are anymore. By my count if you include the "new hot" couple that materialized, Ben, Juliet and Tom that puts the total around 25... I think. 27 with Michael and Walt. Oh wait, I forget Alex and Danielle... and Carl. Thank god Goodwin and Ethan are dead and limited to flashback time. Then again if you include the flashback people with Boone, Ana Lucia, Libby, Shannon and... Cindy? Ahhhhhhhh! My head hurts.

Worse yet is that the Others are going to be getting their own individual flashback episodes. While I think we could actually learn something very important from a Juliet or Ben story, what can we learn from two characters that have essentially been hiding inside their tents? :confused:

You know...it just occurred to me that, and I'm not typecasting, but maybe due to N&P&H's common ethnicity, TPTB have plans for N&P to have an off-Island connection with Hurley. Maybe the way that Nikki so abrasively confronted Hurley with "WHEN were you going to tell us?" indicates that they knew each other somehow. Either off-Island, or on the beach (and we never saw it, and that would be cheesy).

:confused:

Either TPTB want us shaking in our boots afraid they are waiting in the wings to replace a regular character or two who will die, or it's all a ruse and they are only contracted for a year and they will in fact die. Take your pick. My money's on the latter. Rodrigo is a big movie star. He's not committing to this silly little role.


Right, I'm really hoping they haven't added these new characters soley for the purpose of replacing a main character. That would make me so mad. Not that TPTB care what I think, but yeah.

All right, so upon watching the scene for the second time I have formed a first impression of both of them. Paulo seems okay. He was concerned about what happened to Eko, but he didn't totally flip out like Nikki did. Now, Nikki, on the other hand, was totally rude to Hurley. Like TabbyRasa said, it didn't make sense when she said "When were you planning on telling us this, Hurley?" What a witch! Why does she act like she's better than him? Does she not think that Hurley has more important things to do than to report everything to her? She makes it sound like she's really close to Jack, which she can't have been, or else we would have seen her already. I dunno... Her personality just really frustrates me.

ETA: MAYBE Nikki knew Hurley pre-crash, but I doubt it. *shrug* I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

You know...it just occurred to me that, and I'm not typecasting, but maybe due to N&P&H's common ethnicity, TPTB have plans for N&P to have an off-Island connection with Hurley. Maybe the way that Nikki so abrasively confronted Hurley with "WHEN were you going to tell us?" indicates that they knew each other somehow. Either off-Island, or on the beach (and we never saw it, and that would be cheesy).

:confused:

What common ethnicity? Paulo speaks Portugese and is from Brazil, Hurley speaks Spanish and is American with family from an unidentified spanish speaking country, and regardless of the actor's ethnicity, we don't know where Nikki is from at all. They may not even make her character Hispanic, much less from the same country.

I chalk it up to their agents getting it written into their contracts.:confused:

Yeah, that's my guess as well! Why else would two guest stars be in the credits of two episodes without actually appearing in them?

(ETA: I couldn't remember where I had read that line from Damon - turns out I posted a transcript of that particular chat with Kristin Gorbi myself! :24: I hardly ever go into the Spoiler-section or in the chat with Kristin, but I apparently did that day...)
From here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1144342&postcount=1233):
Bongo asks: Did Damon say anything about the new characters at ALLLL??
Korbi_Ghosh replies: He told Anna that Elizabeth Mitchell is a regular, while Rodrigo and Kiele are contracted to be recurring characters.[...])

I guess you can count me in the minority - I had no problem with the introduction of the characters.

Some of you seem to think they should be part of a new group ---just wandering out of the jungle or something. How many new groups can there be on this island? I wouldn't have bought that at all at this point.

There were 40+ losties originally, and you can't get to know that many at once. Now that the others are so established, we can get to know some more of them. Like Artz said, the others in the group are people too.

Several of you seem to think we should have been gradually introduced to the 2 newbies. A few lines an eppy might be HOW they plan to introduce them gradually.

As far as one of the characters we know asking for their names like they didn't know them, well, maybe a former tailie could ask them, but not a Lostie. Sheesh folks, I spend time at a camp. In a 10 night session with 70+ people you know 95% of the people by the end of the session. You really think 60+ days, and less than 50 people and they won't know each other's names? Especially when there is big chance these may be the only people you will see the rest of your life?

I hadn't heard about new characters coming on, so when they had lines, I just thought "hmmm....almost all our regulars are occupied elsewhere, guess they needed to populate the beach with some of the extra Losties." Poor Claire is the stuck on the beach with the baby, so she gets to be in all the beach scenes. You need someone else to have a line. The only folks we REALLY know that haven't been accounted for this season are Rose and Bernard - (not counting the 'french chick') and I think it would have been just a little too contrived to have them there. Too complete somehow - like wearing an outfit that is too matchy-matchy, if you know what I mean.

I don't blame the extra losties for being upset Jack is gone. Having a doctor is a big part of their chance for survival, and I wouldn't be surprised if at some future time, (when Jack is back with the group) if we didn't have a scene where a bunch of the losties came up to Jack and told him they didn't think he should leave the beach area and take such risks.

What common ethnicity? Paulo speaks Portugese and is from Brazil, Hurley speaks Spanish and is American with family from an unidentified spanish speaking country, and regardless of the actor's ethnicity, we don't know where Nikki is from at all. They may not even make her character Hispanic, much less from the same country.
Well, I was grouping the 3 of them, *most respectfully*, into "Hispanic"; and so may have known each other in LA, or bonded on the beach because of it.:) And maybe this was a mistake on my part, but it was based on the actors' seemingly Hispanic-origin names.

But again, if their only connection is the beach, that whole scene flopped miserably, as far as I'm concerned.

I must say I was not at all impressed with the way these two characters were introduced to us last night, and though I wont go so far as to say I hate them, I will admit that having them on as main characters will take time away from an already large ensemble cast that compete for screentime as it is.
No, it won't. Do you realize that 6 regulars have been written off the show? That means, there are some blanks to be filled.

I think if TPTB wanted us to like these two, they could have introduced them in a much more subtle way. Many people that have already posted made some pretty good suggestions like having them help out the established losties in some way and maybe even have one of the established losties say something like "I'm sorry, what was your name again?" to either one of the two. A situation like that would have showed us that they have been in the background all the while and that our established losties know who they are but are not super close. Because after all, how can you expect us to believe these two were part of the core group when this is the first time in 3 seasons we've ever seen them interact with them?
Answer me this, if you got stranded on a deserted island with 40 strangers, for 3 months, do really you think you still wouldn't had the time to catch everybody's name?

Like most of the other posters I have to agree that the appearence of Paulo and Nikki felt very abrupt and even forced. A subtle introduction would have helped us to ease into these characters, rather than having them burst on the scene. This is especially true in the case of Nikki who came in like gang busters, scolding Hurley and crying out for Jack. Having said that I have to be greatful, even if just slightly, that they were introduced in this way and not they way that was originally intended.

You said that because that was the first time you ever saw them. But think about the people on the island. Everybody knows everybody. Even Bernard was calling the redshirts nicknames. And Bernard came to the island almost 2 months later.

To be fair I will say that they, at that point at least, were probably unaware of J/K/S predicament, but in either case, I just would have felt it completely wrong, especially because of the fact that they were new additions. We can forgive Hurley for hording food because its Hurley and we love him, but have some other unknown go and do something like that and you'll see an entirely different audience reaction.
Of course they were unware. Most of those people were. Even Claire, for instance. For all they knew, Jack was in the hatch or whatever.

You know the old saying, you'll never have a second chance to make a first impression? I hope for the sake of these two actors, that this is not the case.
I really can't tell why you guys are so pissed about two guys saying "Who's they?" and "When were you going to tell us that?". I really don't.

Well, I was grouping the 3 of them, *most respectfully*, into "Hispanic"; and so may have known each other in LA, or bonded on the beach because of it.:) And maybe this was a mistake on my part, but it was based on the actors' seemingly Hispanic-origin names.

But again, if their only connection is the beach, that whole scene flopped miserably, as far as I'm concerned.

Is Brazilian even considered Latin American or Hispanic or is it Portuguese? Now you got my thinking. But whatever, it was a good thought.

I actually read a bit of a translated article from someone in Brazil who posts on Lost-Forum, and it said that Paulo was going to have a past connection with Claire. Whether you can believe that is up to you. It hasn't been confirmed anywhere else. But it does support the Paulo/Charlie/Claire love triangle spoiler theory.

Thanks, pace...

Maybe to be politically correct, I should have typed "Latino", instead of "Hispanic", but in any case, I was just trying to speculate about a possible acceptable, believable reason for these 2 characters to be in the story.

I read spoilers, and so I was prepared for the introduction of these characters, but unfortunately, it didn't go off well (so far), IMHO.

ETA: Weeping Buddha, some of us are engaged in a critical analysis...I don't think many are emotionally enraged about it. ;)

I'm sure this is going to sound really harsh but the worst, most horribly contrived and horribly forced and even embarrasing moment on the show took place when they 'introduced' the two new (totally unnecesary) characters Paulo and Nikki.
I was watching the show with my sister and I actually felt embarrassed for all of the regular cast members that were forced to interact with this new brash, instantly dislikeable chick and some other generic JoeBlow guy who at least didn't have the nerve to shout at Hurley and demand answers and make me want to smack 'em!
You can't even really call it an 'introduction' - it was more like random, awkward, forced dialogue and the main cast (Locke, Hurley, Charlie and Claire) having to be all like 'let's-just-pretend-you-two-have-been-here-all-along-and-act-like-you-guys-interact-with-us-
on-a-regular-basis-and-are-privy-to-all-the-cool-gang's-super-dooper-secrets'.
It reeked of bad timing, lousy writing - the kind of 'filler' type of one-liners that supporting characters like Rose and Bernard (or Claire even - you know, the Lostaways that are always kept out of the loop about all the crazy goings'on that happen outside of the camp and that they aren't privileged enough to partake in because they're too old to go racing through the jungle being chased by smoke monsters, or they are stuck taking care of their model student child - and I mean that in the nicest way possible...but Aaron doesn't have a Daddy, so I'm not insulting the litte tyke, just telling it like it is...anyways, I digress).
I took an immediate dislike to the woman playing Nikki....I mean seriously, did you hear the way she snapped at poor Hurley in that ditzy vincent tone of voice?
What is she the now the designated host body chosen for the express purpose of channeling deceased Shannon's spirit?!
Sigh...yeah, she's gunna be a real joy to gag at...and to think, I was so happy to finally be rid of that awful Ana-Lucia and tepid Libby at the end of last season.
And yet, here we go again...another useless, female character that lacks any mystery or intrigue or a likeable personality (I know I'm jumping the gun a bit, given the short screen time - but I've got to go with my gut instincts and put it out there on the table - she stinks! Throw her in the garbage!)....
And I know, I know - people are already going - 'Ooo she's hot, Ooo he's even hotter!' but really - if they're lacking in compelling personalities and presumably decent acting skills, then it shouldn't really matter *what* they look like, should it? I mean, I adore Desmond, but I wouldn't necessarily categorize him as classically handsome and expect to see him on People's '50 Most Beautiful' Magazine Issue anytime soon - but he's a good actor, his character is quirky and likeable and even mysterious. These two look more suited for the lasted craptacular WB (Ooops..sorry, I mean CW) pseudo-emo teens or 20-something's show...seriously there are millions of girls that look just like this Kiele chick - but too me these uber pretty types with their perfect figures and blindingly white teeth are all starting to look the same to me...so in my eyes, she looks more like someone you'd expect to see guest starring as some Woman-In-Peril type on crape like 'Supernatural' or 'Smallville'....
ARG!
Can't they just stick with the people we already know and love?! As if the actors weren't already getting antsy and bitter last season about how little screen time they each get (excluding Jack of course - they wouldn't dream of skimping on the obvious 'Hero' of the show's story time - for shame!)...now Rose and Bernard are going to have these two jokers stealing all their shocked and appalled reaction lines - and they only get one or two ever few episodes!
Please Lost producers - if you can hear me out there - stop hiring new 'generic' main character actors - we have enough already! Just leave the main cast as it is and feel free to go nuts with flashback and supporting characters...but if I have to sit through backstories about more 'new' people, that aren't really new at all and were apparently always there....I'm going to scream!!!
Okay - I'm ending my rant now...before my head explodes from all the pent up bitterness I'm accumulating from that one, 20 second long scene...it just *really* rubbed me the wrong way...:mad:
Why couldn't they have been former Tail Section Survivors that have been imprisoned by the Others this whole time - you know with Cindy and those kids and all the other (Originally 23) Tail Section survivors who were ultimately either snatched up or mysteriously disappeared! That would have been so much easier to digest!
C'mon Lost writers - you can do better than just shoving two unfamiliar faces up in our grills and be like, 'Here's the new characters you ordered - enjoy!' and I'd be all, 'Uhhh..I didn't order any new characters, I like the ones I always order and I don't want these new ones! What gives?' and they'd be all, 'Oh yeah, about those old favorites you've come to love and adore...we'll probably be taking them off the menu soon, FYI...gotta make room for some new fresh choices!'
***End Rant***

Brooklyn_Brimstone:

:hug:

Kudos for the heartfelt *first* post! Methinks you're going to fit in here.

How long have you been lurking here? ;)

wow it seems like it took me FOREVER to get to the end of this thread, heh heh. brooklyn brimstone, your rant made me chuckle. good to see someone passionate about the show! i don't agree with you on everything but you're a good writer and that was a heck of an entertaining read.

ok so - the introduction of the two new characters seemed awkward to me, but i don't feel really strongly about it one way or the other. i am basically nonplussed. the group i watch the show with just sorta accepted it, and i think it is because they don't spoil themselves. only one commented about nikki, just that she was "annoying." i agree.

mowbray, you are def not a troll, and i am glad you de-lurked, because you put it perfectly when you wrote that she "berated" hurley - ya just don't do that to hurley! not a good way to introduce a character we are supposed to care about. i'm hoping the writers do a better job with her character's future interactions with the ones we know and care about. however...


The two are caught together in Jack's tent.
I think I would have been even more turned off by these characters had that scene stayed in because I/we, unlike the beached losties, know whats going on with Jack, Kate and Sawyer and to me that would have seemed totally inappropriate.

agreed. i was really not looking forward to this scene. so, it's already shot and if they use it later maybe it'll work better, then. but while we've been watching the torture of the trio by the others, this woulda made for a lot of nikki/paolo haters right away.

Paolo looked way to groomed. He looks like he'd just had his hair cut by a stylist.

Nikki was too "In your face" about her her questions, came off as over acting, over the top...(

hahaha, noeland - totally. first thing i thought when i saw them was - look, it's guido and betty! :laugh: what was with his helmet hair and disco look? and she just came off as a shrill bimbo. still, i'm gonna give 'em a chance, because i've always liked the idea of the "background people" stepping up to the main story. i do wish it'd been sceve and janelle, instead!

I thought the whole introduction of Nikki and Paulo was kind of abrupt. It just rubbed me the wrong way.

I agree. I was like, "who the heck are these people, and why do they seem significant... should I know them?" -- threw me off too.

Im loving this thread. :biggrin:

I sooo want Danielle to stomp out of the jungle, take a look at these two, declare them 'sick' and put a bullet in each one's head.:)

Seriously, I'll be offended if they try to pass these two off as 815 survivors.

Lol.. :24:

Is Brazilian even considered Latin American or Hispanic or is it Portuguese? Now you got my thinking. But whatever, it was a good thought.

I actually read a bit of a translated article from someone in Brazil who posts on Lost-Forum, and it said that Paulo was going to have a past connection with Claire. Whether you can believe that is up to you. It hasn't been confirmed anywhere else. But it does support the Paulo/Charlie/Claire love triangle spoiler theory.

I hope that spoiler doesn't come true.
I really want more Claire time but just not with the new guy.

And i hope that these two new characters don't get their own forum at the fuselage now.

*ducks and hides*

Maybe it's because I avoid spoilers and promos like the plague, but I honestly didn't even realize that the two were being introduced as new cast members until I came here to the Fuse. I just thought they were just a couple of lucky extras who got some lines (this has happened before, usually in conjunction with Jack or Locke delivering a nice speech on the beach).

Or maybe I am just a bit slow.

By the way, anyone notice that Locke's "speech" was to like, four people? Where are all the extras we're talking about? Because almost the entire main cast is gone, Desmond is off skipping rocks and Eko is not at all well, Locke had Charlie, Claire and Hurley to say his wonderful "we're going to bring them home" speech too. Not much of an audience. Hurley just came back from there and doesn't seem eager to come back and Charlie and Claire aren't exactly the elite guard. They almost had to invent a "Nikki and Paulo" (I'll bet you thought this was going to be off topic--fooled you ;) ) just to have more people to listen to Locke. It was just silly that he would give a speech like that to anything less than the entire beach. Remember how many people were there when he gave his famous "we're not the only people on this island and we all know it" speech? That was a decent crowd.

Wow this is a popular thread. I guess I'm in the minority because I didnt mind the introduction of Niki and Paulo. It's impossible for me to tell if I will like them or not since they only had a few seconds of screen time.
Its funny that people say they are replacements for Boone and Shannon, because if that's the case then I should be hating them, but I dont...yet.
Noone will ever replace Shannon, or Boone.

Maybe it's because I avoid spoilers and promos like the plague, but I honestly didn't even realize that the two were being introduced as new cast members until I came here to the Fuse. I just thought they were just a couple of lucky extras who got some lines (this has happened before, usually in conjunction with Jack or Locke delivering a nice speech on the beach).

Or maybe I am just a bit slow.
No, Chad, I think if you had no expectations your impression was very normal - just a couple of lucky extras. (Never mind we've never seen them on camera before. I think most regular viewers recognize a lot of the extras.)
I'd heard about the hiring of the actors and about the scene that was apparently deleted, like many other people, so I guess I was expecting something better. But I'm sure what has made the 90% of posters here dislike the introduction was Nikki's obnoxious manner and delivery. If she had been more courteous I bet the thread wouldn't have nearly as much action.
I see shades of Ana Lucia -- new actress who's supposed to shake things up and be some great new romantic foil -- she sure shook things up but TPTB underestimated the viewer dislike of her, and they abandoned the storyline of the new love interest for Jack. I'm afraid Nikki hasn't made much of a first impression.

I see shades of Ana Lucia -- new actress who's supposed to shake things up and be some great new romantic foil -- she sure shook things up but TPTB underestimated the viewer dislike of her, and they abandoned the storyline of the new love interest for Jack. I'm afraid Nikki hasn't made much of a first impression.

Oh, come on, is that what they are for:mad:? God dang it, that's exactly what Lost needs LESS of, IMHO. I have a vague recollection of TPTB stating that season three was going to be more about the Islands weirdness (the very things that made season one so enthralling) as opposed to the needless yet oh so abundant touchy-feely plotlines of season two.

Great, now I dislike Paolo and Nikki even more.

I'll see your two redshirts and I'll raise you one small plane. :evil1:
How bout I up the ante, and hand them each a stick of the oldest, wettest, most volatile dynamite that I have. :evil1:

I probably qualify for "troll" status in that I love reading what every one picks up on, theories, etc. and rarely post myself.
As others have said, you are far from a troll! You were "lurking", and that's perfectly fine. I do the same thing in the "Eh" thread, cuz it entertains me!


Bottom line: if they're important enough to warrant flashbacks now, (which they presumably will be), then they were from the beginning. They didn't, so stick to the original cast and find compelling exposition in the Flashbacks of Our Losties.
(And they certainly didn't do poor Nikki any favors by having her first line involve her berating one of the most beloved characters on the show for not sharing information that he JUST RETURNED FROM witnessing. I know the perfect victim for the Smoke Monster's return; she's cute, abrasive, and wears a red shirt. Let's hope the island demands a few more sacrifices.)
Yessss!!! The island is very hungry... it has not had a meal in a long time! I see the perfect entrees have just reared thier heads.

Maybe it's because I avoid spoilers and promos like the plague, but I honestly didn't even realize that the two were being introduced as new cast members until I came here to the Fuse. I just thought they were just a couple of lucky extras who got some lines (this has happened before, usually in conjunction with Jack or Locke delivering a nice speech on the beach).

Or maybe I am just a bit slow.

Me neither, I just thought they were backgrounders with random speaking roles that were out of line and badly inserted until I came here. I avoid spoilers as well.

Oh, come on, is that what they are for:mad:? God dang it, that's exactly what Lost needs LESS of, IMHO. I have a vague recollection of TPTB stating that season three was going to be more about the Islands weirdness (the very things that made season one so enthralling) as opposed to the needless yet oh so abundant touchy-feely plotlines of season two.
Great, now I dislike Paolo and Nikki even more.

Actually, I keep hearing quite the opposite. They said that season 2 was "too mythologically dense" and that season 3 will be the year of "romance & adventure!" :rolleyes:

Whatever, as long as they tell compelling stories, I'm along for the ride! And a smoke!munster attack or two would be cool... and there is fresh meat for the beast.

Was it just me or did the girl really suck. I mean in a btchy way. She just seemed like a control freak to me. It was rather annoying.

She's hot, but annoying.

I knew there were new characters to come but I really wasn't spoiled & didnt realize it would happen in this epi. That being said....
I felt it was an awkward moment. They seemed "thrown in". It was kind of annoying really. I am not real keen about new people coming on the show. Seems contrived. None the less, maybe they will be killed off in short time like Ana & Libby were. I know that was terrible but I really am not liking new Losties.

Yes she sucked. They both sucked. Nikki was up in everyones face comming from no where and Paulo was all Vidal Sassoon...Is there a salon on that island?

Possible introduction of Nikki;

NIKKI: Jack's gone? I don't understand. Okay, when were you planning on telling us this Hurley?
HURLEY: *stares bewildered at NIKKI* Who the heck are you?

That would have been friggin hilarious:grin:.

THAT would have been VERY funny.

Paulo was all Vidal Sassoon...Is there a salon on that island?

:roflmao::lol2::rotflmao:
too funny

Good post. I agree.

Want an example of the right way to introduce background fusies? Scott and Steve in the Moth. Charlie runs onto the beach, tells Michael he needs help, Michael turns to a guy in the background and says, "Hey, Steve?" He says "I'm Scott", the other guy says "I'm Steve" and they run off to help. Perfect, now we've established Scott and Steve.

Nikki and Paulo should have been way in the background and when Charlie and Locke appeared with Eko, Claire could have yelled for help, asked them what their names were and then asked them to pitch in.

emmylala2003, I think you hit the nail on the head. TBTB need some unpopular characters as a foil (and/or monster or polar bear fodder) to the regular cast. To know Hurley is to love him. I can't remember anyone on this board otherwise which is unique. So Nikki scolding Hugo has to be intended to clue us in to her (lack of) character.

Actually, I keep hearing quite the opposite. They said that season 2 was "too mythologically dense" and that season 3 will be the year of "romance & adventure!" :rolleyes:

Really? I kind of interpreted the introduction of the Four-Toed Statue and the more nuanced portrayal of the Others (their heirarchy, work and so forth), as a taste of things to come; that being more pseudo-science, spiritual mythology, Otherism and general Island weirdness.

Can't they leave the romantic intricacies and lovey-dovey crap to Grey's Anatomy?

I finally watched the episode, and I have to say that while I have been fine with the new additions to the cast, I was not pleased with the way they were introduced, notably Nikki. Is she supposed to be an annoying character?

And i hope that these two new characters don't get their own forum at the fuselage now.

*ducks and hides*

No, actually, I agree with you. Though it's only fair if they do, since Danielle/Mira, Rose/L. Scott, and Bernard/Sam, who are only "Guest Stars" all have one.


Its funny that people say they are replacements for Boone and Shannon, because if that's the case then I should be hating them, but I dont...yet.
Noone will ever replace Shannon, or Boone.

Word!!! I completely agree.

I finally watched the episode, and I have to say that while I have been fine with the new additions to the cast, I was not pleased with the way they were introduced, notably Nikki. Is she supposed to be an annoying character?

That's how she came off to me. Beyond annoying, actually. *shrug*

I don't like how they were introduced, at all.

If you're a casual viewer and you didn't know about the new casting calls, you'd be so confused at who they were. I'd think, "Did I miss something?". `They were thrown in there very randomly, and Nikki snapping at Hurley pissed me off.

I think somebody at Lost-Forum, or maybe here, said that they should have introduced them by Locke saying "Charlie, gather up some people from the beach to help me with Eko", and back comes Charlie with those two who Locke had to ask, "what are your names again?" or something like that. They were just there like THEY'VE ALWAYS been there, and we were stupid for not seeing them.

*EDIT* Haha, I just say that PaceJunkie said the same thing.

I also really didn't like Hurley said, "They took Jack, Kate and Sawyer.." and Paulo said, "Who? Who took them?"

Who the hell do you think?

Locke had to make it that more obvious... "The Others."

I don't like how they were introduced, at all.

If you're a casual viewer and you didn't know about the new casting calls, you'd be so confused at who they were. I'd think, "Did I miss something?". `They were thrown in there very randomly, and Nikki snapping at Hurley pissed me off.

I think somebody at Lost-Forum, or maybe here, said that they should have introduced them by Locke saying "Charlie, gather up some people from the beach to help me with Eko", and back comes Charlie with those two who Locke had to ask, "what are your names again?" or something like that. They were just there like THEY'VE ALWAYS been there, and we were stupid for not seeing them.

*EDIT* Haha, I just say that PaceJunkie said the same thing.

I also really didn't like Hurley said, "They took Jack, Kate and Sawyer.." and Paulo said, "Who? Who took them?"

Who the hell do you think?

Locke had to make it that more obvious... "The Others."

Exactly..They want us to think they have been there all along but they don't know that Jack is gone..(granted they don't know he is captured but they should have at least noticed that he has not been around in a few days). They don't know who the Others are..this whole thing just makes me hate them. And no matter what they do there will be a cloud over their heads.

Well, I've skimmed through this thread, rewatched the end of Further Instructions, and thought quite a bit about this. My conclusion: You're all overreacting! I think the biggest thing the introduction of Paulo and Nikki was that scenes were cut. I'm not just talking about the scene in Jack's tent, either. If you look at the promo pics for the episode, you'll see one of Hurley walking on the beach with Desmond right behind him. This seems to be from a deleted scene of them coming back to the camp. Now, had it been included, it would have been more obvious that Hurley had been back at the camp for a while before Locke and Charlie come back with Eko. Nikki's question of, "When were going to tell us this?" might not sound as nasty, with that context. Also, I've seen people complain about the other characters treating them as newcomers. How ridicous is that? Of course they're act like they already know each other, because they would if they'd been on the same beach for two months! Others have gone so far as to suggest that they seemed to be in on all the stuff going on with the core characters. I think Paulo's lack of realization that "they" were "the Others" shows that he's not exactly in on all the secrets. Really the only problem I have with it is that we're supposed to believe that they've been there the whole time, but we've just never seen them. I didn't have a problem with Steve or Sullivan coming into the show this way (although, not ever seeing Sullivan again kind of ruined that illusion), and I was able to get over it with Arzt, but now, it's getting less and less believable. Also, there are plenty of actors who have been there from the beginning that we really haven't gotten to know, yet. I think I would have prefered seeing them step forward than introducing two completely new actors, but I won't hold that against Paulo and Nikki just yet.

But I don't care about the promo pictures because I don't look at the promo pictures- what I get from the episode is what I see in the episode- and I didn't like how they were introduced and how they acted towards Hurley at all.

And yeah, our Losties treated them as if they know them, but WE dont. I'd rather get to know them as our cast gets to know them, since we've seen our groups activities almost every day and they've never done anything of importance on the island. I feel like we missed some stuff now.

But I agree with you about Artz, Sullivan and Scott/Steve, but also because it was so early on the island and I was expecting new characters to start to appear. How they introduced Artz was perfect, but really, they may have gone for something else when they were filming the episode, but I think the execution of throwing in the new characters was done poorly.

No, it won't. Do you realize that 6 regulars have been written off the show? That means, there are some blanks to be filled. True but these "regular" spots could be taken by Juliet, Benry, Colleen, Tom, Pickett, Alex, Karl etc... No one said it had to be beached losties that were added as series regulars.


Answer me this, if you got stranded on a deserted island with 40 strangers, for 3 months, do really you think you still wouldn't had the time to catch everybody's name?. I've worked at my job for 8 years, which happens to employ roughly 50 individuals. Individuals who I may have been introduced to at some point in time, but because I do not normally interact with them, I do not always remember the names of. So yeah, I do really think that you could forget someones name under conditions like that. Why? well because all of our workers work in different departments, so our paths wont always cross. Same can be said of the folks on Lost.

You said that because that was the first time you ever saw them. But think about the people on the island. Everybody knows everybody. Even Bernard was calling the redshirts nicknames. And Bernard came to the island almost 2 months later. This might be so, but he wasnt calling Nikki and Paulo nicknames, and these are the two whom I was reffereing.


Of course they were unware. Most of those people were. Even Claire, for instance. For all they knew, Jack was in the hatch or whatever. Yes but I knew, and the rest of the audience knew and TPTB knew and if they had introduced these two in that matter it would have come off crude and insensitive, period. Especially because these were two new characters. If it had been Charlie and Claire, I dont think it would have bothered me as much because they are established characters. This point is not worth arguing since it was not aired. It was more my personal feeling about the scene.


I really can't tell why you guys are so pissed about two guys saying "Who's they?" and "When were you going to tell us that?". I really don't. I'm not "pissed" at the characters, just at the way there were introduced. You must make the distinction between the two.

Thanks for all of your comments. :biggrin:

I've worked at my job for 8 years, which happens to employ roughly 50 individuals. Individuals who I may have been introduced to at some point in time, but because I do not normally interact with them, I do not always remember the names of. So yeah, I do really think that you could forget someones name under conditions like that. Why? well because all of our workers work in different departments, so our paths wont always cross. Same can be said of the folks on Lost.
Ok, but these said 50 individuals were not the only people you saw for 3 months straight. Think about it. You're in an island for 3 months or so, and 40 people is all you have. Even if you don't interact with them (which you would, BTW) other people do. And these other people will talk about them. So, there's no way you couldn't have heard their names.

This might be so, but he wasnt calling Nikki and Paulo nicknames, and these are the two whom I was reffereing.
I was reffering to Bernard calling Neil as the "guy that used make frozen yogurt". Two weeks was enough to Bernard know what a character we have never seen did for living. So what's so wrong about Locke, who have been on the island all along, know Paulo and Nikki's name, who also happened to be on the island all along?

Yes but I knew, and the rest of the audience knew and TPTB knew and if they had introduced these two in that matter it would have come off crude and insensitive, period. Especially because these were two new characters. If it had been Charlie and Claire, I dont think it would have bothered me as much because they are established characters. This point is not worth arguing since it was not aired. It was more my personal feeling about the scene.
Yes, but this is not about you or the audience for that matter. This is about two losties who are not in the loop and will have a more important role from now. And I really don't get it how can that be so irritating to some people.

I look back when season 2 started and this very same thing happened when the tailes showed up. And I bet that all the former tailes-bashers feel bad about all the bashings... And the same thing will happen next year. History repeats itself.

I look back when season 2 started and this very same thing happened when the tailes showed up. And I bet that all the former tailes-bashers feel bad about all the bashings... And the same thing will happen next year. History repeats itself.

I don't think people feel bad about that. They hated the tailies for being screentime sucking vampires and when Ana was killed everyone cheered. Now half of them are gone and everyone's asking themselves "what was the point of that? To introduce Eko?" When Nikki and/or Paulo get killed off at the end of this year and everybody says that's the end of that history will indeed repeat itself.

I thought the whole introduction of Nikki and Paulo was kind of abrupt. It just rubbed me the wrong way.
I agree! My husband and I were laughing so hard when they ran out with that terrible, fake acting. Like, Who are ya'll and where did you come from? She sure was interested in Jack.

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Well, I never got around to voicing my opinion, and since this thread is alive and kickin'...
I agree with the majority of the posters:
I did not like their introduction at all. It was so forced and awkward. Nikki was terribly annoying. And Paula was an overly-groomed version of Desmond.
I see no point to them. They are truly screentime-sucking vampires.

I wish they'd be introduced differently, but I'm glad they weren't introduced the planned way. That would have annoyed everyone much more.

And I wish we freakin' knew if they were regulars or recurring, and if they are just in the opening credits because of fat contracts... :confused:

I'm with the people who don't understand how you can say you hate somebody after seeing them for so little. If their scenes were all left in the episode like intended, their introduction wouldn't have seemed forced. Personally, I'm looking forward to having Kiele Sanchez on the show. I loved her on "Related" last season. She was my favorite character on that show. Plus she's extremely hot. :biggrin: There has been a big dropoff in the number of attractive females on the show with the deaths of Shannon, Libby, and Ana-Lucia. I welcome another pretty face.

Can't they leave the romantic intricacies and lovey-dovey crap to Grey's Anatomy?

LOL I know, right? Let's just hope Lost never gets as bad as that...

they did nothing to excite me. not sure how their weak entrance has spurred 20 pages of debate. i would guess too many people expecting too much, from spoilers. i will just say, bring them in, they might make good 'polar bear' food one day.

Not for anything... but...

The ending was abrupt & kinda tossed in our faces, I mean, how long was Hurley back in camp & noone said a word to him about the trip, @ the end of last season everyone in camp was grumbling about them setting off to get Walt. Then Hurley shows back up & oh Jack's not coming back... BAM...huh...What, how long would it have been if Locke Charlie & Eko got eaten by the polar bear.

Second The two saying what they did at the end, rang to me of a school play where words are added to it just give someone a shot in the spotlight. You know extra's dialogue, It didnt ring true.

Maybe thats what they were going for maybe they want us to see that there is really no order now that the main three are gone. That Locke needs to take the helm.

and if the new CAST-aways start wearing red shirts then their days are numbered.

Still an awesome episode !!!!

Eko get well soon

I think it would be awesome if they did show up in red shirts next week. Just another way for the writers to say, "ya we know you're thinking it, so ha". LoL

I'm really unhappy with this decision to bring in these two. Especially when the biggest reason I'm hearing for liking their presence is "they're hot." Jeez. I'd rather have a character than a hawt guy or girl any day. Henry Ian Cusack is great-looking but he's first and foremost a fascinating character. I'm sorry, but to me it just looked like a couple of people wandered over from the old Baywatch set. Hot beach bods. Yawn.

As for accepting them as "always having been there" -- I can't. The thing is, these two are clearly Type A personalities. After the plane crash, the type A people stepped up to the plate and started running things, looking for wreckage, finding the distress signal, and eventually building a raft. If you were the type of person that wanted to control your own destiny, you joined up, volunteered, and at the very least you played golf ... seriously, these new guys have the type of personalities that make waves so clearly they wouldn't have been sitting around contemplating their navels all this time.

The people who were milling around the beach were always shown as part of a pretty passive herd. When someone tells them what to do or it's time to move to the caves, or bury someone, or be alarmed by black smoke, they oblige. They mill in the direction they're told. Maybe they ask a timid question, maybe they help when they're asked.

Now they pulled Arzt out of the herd in a cool way. He got to rant about how the cool clique had left him out. He's not a Type A center of attention guy until dynamite is involved. That's his deal. He steps up and blows up. It works.

With these two, it's obvious they aren't the types to hang with the sheep. As soon as we meet them they turn out to be center of attention people just like our original personalities, so WHERE WERE THEY? Uh-uh. It would work to have one or two of the more quiet withdrawn redshirts come into the picture. Maybe come up and say they were pretty traumatized by the crash but now they've worked through it and they want to do more. That would work. Give us a reason they were not seen that makes sense.

I really don't understand why people are OK with "we're supposed to assume" that these two were right there in the center of Lostville politics all this time even though WE never saw or heard them. It's not my job to assume anything or to rewrite the history imagining these two were in it. It's the writers' job to show me the camp dynamic. These guys weren't there. They never mattered, and suddenly they are important people on the beach. Because they're hot?

NOT working for me.
Juliet, however, is engaging. She's complicated. She's not introduced as a sexy lady or hunk, but as a woman with the intelligence to cross minds with Jack and Ben both. Thumbs up for Juliet.

As for accepting them as "always having been there" -- I can't. The thing is, these two are clearly Type A personalities. After the plane crash, the type A people stepped up to the plate and started running things, looking for wreckage, finding the distress signal, and eventually building a raft. If you were the type of person that wanted to control your own destiny, you joined up, volunteered, and at the very least you played golf ... seriously, these new guys have the type of personalities that make waves so clearly they wouldn't have been sitting around contemplating their navels all this time.

Well said. I was not happy with their introduction either. It's not like there's a shortage of characters on this show and the fact that I have to accept their concern about the abducted losties when everyone else seems so apathetic about everything isn't helping much either.

Now they pulled Arzt out of the herd in a cool way. He got to rant about how the cool clique had left him out. He's not a Type A center of attention guy until dynamite is involved. That's his deal. He steps up and blows up. It works.

Even Sullivan, the annoying hypochondriac red shirt in Solitary made more sense than these two and suits the story better.

NOT working for me.

That seems to be the consensus among my Lost-watching friends who didn't tune out after last week.

Wow! 21 Pages!

While some of us were joking about the 'screentime sucking vampires' I am interested to see that a lot of people are serious in their dislike.

It should be known that this has nothing to do with the actors. I haven't seen 'Nikki' in anything but "Paulo' was good in "Love Actually'. Its not their fault the editors decided to clip their parts and give them such a strange intro. Yes..they are good looking and they may be talented out the wahzoo. This has little to do with THEM. If they make them sympathetic that will be fine....we just don't like time being taken away from our regular losties. And fair warning...neither of them will be sympathetic to me if they are involved in a silly C/C love triangle.

I don't think people actually 'hate' the characters. I think most think the intro was too abrupt and jarring. Some fear that they 'suck' up screentime that we in all our wisdom :biggrin: think should be given to others. :D

But I do suppose that its possible to hate certain chacters after only a few seconds... :wink1:


I'm glad to see that they are only 'reoccuring'.

I havent seen the episode but agree that it feels useless to add more peopleto this show, it's already got a big cast with about 90% of the original losties way underused as far as screentime, so why o why add more people? If they're only in the ocasional episode with no mayor storyline than fine but please:63:oh please dont make them part of another love triangle, one on this show is more than enough.

The people who were milling around the beach were always shown as part of a pretty passive herd. When someone tells them what to do or it's time to move to the caves, or bury someone, or be alarmed by black smoke, they oblige. They mill in the direction they're told. Maybe they ask a timid question, maybe they help when they're asked.

Now they pulled Arzt out of the herd in a cool way. He got to rant about how the cool clique had left him out. He's not a Type A center of attention guy until dynamite is involved. That's his deal. He steps up and blows up. It works.


Excellent post...and I couln't agree more. My point is that Neil, Scott/Steve, Arzt, Cindy (btw what ever happend to her) and the like are all background characters. They are there for a purpose if you need them and the rest of the time they are there as a simple reminder that other people are on the island. A "Hey Neil", "Hey Hurley" kind of thing.

We still have unanswered questions from Season 1 about our main group of Losties. Why was Locke in the wheelchair? What's with Jacks tattoo? etc. Then S2 brings in the Others, the mulitiple hatches, Desmond and a whole new set of questions that need to be explored, Wham! here is Nikki and Paulo in your face. See that sentence didn't fit and neither do they, especially if they are trying to achive main character status. I don't want or need their background story, new questions about them, new flashbacks, my plate is full.

I don't want or need their background story, new questions about them, new flashbacks, my plate is full.

Agreed. It's not essential to keep bringing on new people every effing season. It's already a large cast. Juliet's introduction was impactful, but Nikki and Paulo just fell flat to me. I didn't buy that they were apart of the camp all this time.

I think the introduction seemed clunky if you knew the characters were going to be on the show. I was totally spoiled and thought it was abrupt and unnatural. My fiancee had no clue though and he thought they were just like Sceve or some of the other extras that just have brief lines. So he thought it flowed fine.

MMM Paulo ;)


I had NO idea that they were "new characters"... thought that the Red Shirts were
finally being given lines. It didn't seem strange or out of place, just interesting.

However, I couldn't pick either of them out of a line up. I think the man might have
been dark and the woman blonde, but that's it. I honestly thought the guy was Sceve.

When I heard they were adding all these new characters this season I thought it would naturally be 'The Others" -

as previously mentioned in this thread - I don't think they needed to add any other "survivors". In season 2 the Tallies worked out because the plane was spilt - yeah there have alwaysd been the unknown survivors but to introduce them now as main characters........... i dunno - hope this isn't a jumping the shark moment.

I guess you can count me in the minority - I had no problem with the introduction of the characters.

Some of you seem to think they should be part of a new group ---just wandering out of the jungle or something. How many new groups can there be on this island? I wouldn't have bought that at all at this point.

There were 40+ losties originally, and you can't get to know that many at once. Now that the others are so established, we can get to know some more of them. Like Artz said, the others in the group are people too.

Several of you seem to think we should have been gradually introduced to the 2 newbies. A few lines an eppy might be HOW they plan to introduce them gradually.


I don't think the point that many of the people are getting at here is that the Losties should be gradually introduced to them but that, rather, we should have been gradually introduced to the Losties and the background characters just speaking to each other but only in the background, not a big outburst amongst 'the main characters' when she's never had any apparent input into anything. That would at least set the scene for on-island flashbacks involving some of the characters and would vibe with the sense that the interaction and communication that we hear isn't all there is to it; we would at least know that we've seen main characters and Backies talking even if it had nothing to do with any particular episode.

I guess I mistakenly started a new thread for this question/comment and it was "moved," but no to here, so I'll try again.

Does anyone think the fact that Paolo is Brazilian (or, at least, the acor is) is a link to Penny and her Portuguese-speaking trackers?

It did seem odd to me that Nikki would snap at Hurley the way she did, but I guess I just assumed she had a bitchy personality.

The one real thing that bothers me, in hindsight, is how would Paulo NOT know who The Others are? Since he and Nikki have been on the island this entire time, they would have had to have been in the caves during MOSMOF when Jack was addressing all of the Losties as a group (and Jack clearly made references to The Others) about hiding in the newly-discovered hatch.

Also, everyone in the camp should have known about the purpose behind the J/K/S/H/M rescue party, which makes Paulo's question even more confusing. In fact, why didn't anyone ask about Michael and Walt? The entire camp must have been told that rescuing Walt was one of the main reasons for J/K/S/H/M heading out to confront The Others.

Maybe Paulo just isn't very bright? :lipsseal:

However, it DOESN'T bother me that Nikki and Paulo spontaneously popped out of nowhere and began asking questions. In fact, I'm glad to see more beach extras doing that, filling the sociological void that Artzt left behind. And quite frankly, I have no problem believing that they haven't been interacting with our main cast of Losties during this whole time (especially since the only Losties who we ever saw wandering through the hatch were Jack, Kate, Locke, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid, Michael, Sun, Charlie, Ana-Lucia, Libby, Eko, and Rose). Jack and Locke were probably overprotective of the hatch and micromanaged who was allowed access to it, which probably really pissed off everyone on the beach who's been "out-of-the-loop."

So that means Nikki and Paulo have probably just been hanging out with Rose, Bernard, Sceve, Larry, Neil, Janelle, Ralph, Tracy, Sullivan, and Faith during the past two seasons. :biggrin:

And I'm not certain on this, but I suspect Kiele and Rodrigo are listed in the opening credits because they are contracted for at least 13 episodes each this season, and that's the magic number you need to get credited as a series regular and be paid accordingly.

That also probably means that Zeke, Alex, Pickett, Miss Klugh, Rose, and Bernard will most likely be appearing in fewer than 13 episodes each. :frown:

I think that Paulo and Nikki are going to be an interesting addition to this seasons plot. The possibilities of how they could interact and manipulate the losties are endless. Plus, Paulo is totally hot and I'd love to see him hook up with... anyone! I'm awaiting his shirtless scene with much anticipation!

I think that Paulo and Nikki are going to be an interesting addition to this seasons plot. The possibilities of how they could interact and manipulate the losties are endless. Plus, Paulo is totally hot and I'd love to see him hook up with... anyone! I'm awaiting his shirtless scene with much anticipation!


Well I for one refuse to be blinded by the pretty. :D

Well I for one refuse to be blinded by the pretty. :D
Sorry, I just can't help myself! He's too darn hot! :drool:

Sorry, I just can't help myself! He's too darn hot! :drool:


:lol2: Down girl! (pours cold water on Joshypoo)

But I do suppose that its possible to hate certain chacters after only a few seconds... :wink1:


I'm glad to see that they are only 'reoccuring'.

I don't hate them. I just think they're unnecessary and annoying.

How did we confirm that they are definitely just recurring even though they are in the opening credits?

i don't like the two. they are like the unwelcomed guest in an already perfect cast. Espeically the girl, man that was bad acting.
100%
I don't like the new additions. They are like unwelcomed guests at a party. Especially their deliver of their lines were terrible.

And how Paulo doesn't know about the others? Who else would kidnap jack, sawyer, and kate other than the others?

However, it DOESN'T bother me that Nikki and Paulo spontaneously popped out of nowhere and began asking questions. In fact, I'm glad to see more beach extras doing that, filling the sociological void that Artzt left behind.
And I'm not certain on this, but I suspect Kiele and Rodrigo are listed in the opening credits because they are contracted for at least 13 episodes each this season, and that's the magic number you need to get credited as a series regular and be paid accordingly.

Artzt was introduced for a specific purpose, completed that purpose and was terminated. I do not see much of a void. The problem that I have is that Nikki and Paulo are not going to be just beach extras with the occasional line. From what we have heard TPTB are going to make them into main characters, equal to Jack, Saywer, Kate, Charlie and the like. I don't want to invest into these characters that we know nothing about, and I don't want to waste the time to get their background when there are other more important questions/mysteries that need to be answered.

I think the introduction seemed clunky if you knew the characters were going to be on the show. I was totally spoiled and thought it was abrupt and unnatural. My fiancee had no clue though and he thought they were just like Sceve or some of the other extras that just have brief lines. So he thought it flowed fine.

MMM Paulo ;)

I didn't know anything about there being a deleted scene or anything else having to do with these new characters. I just thought it was odd that characters we'd never seen before suddenly had lines in a manner that implied familiarity with the main characters without us knowing what it was. Not that it was necessarily wrong, but it was a bit jarring because it wasn't "the norm". Now, knowing that there was supposed to be more backstory appear on the episode but didn't, it's somewhat annoying. I agree that some of the other scenes from the episode should have been cut to allow for us to "get to know" something about these two new characters instead.

I still find it hard to believe that less than two minutes' worth of screentime can possibly justify all the hate that has been directed toward these two characters. I also can't believe how ridiculous some of the complaints are.

Artzt was introduced for a specific purpose, completed that purpose and was terminated. I do not see much of a void. The problem that I have is that Nikki and Paulo are not going to be just beach extras with the occasional line. From what we have heard TPTB are going to make them into main characters, equal to Jack, Saywer, Kate, Charlie and the like. I don't want to invest into these characters that we know nothing about, and I don't want to waste the time to get their background when there are other more important questions/mysteries that need to be answered.
Maybe they'll be introduced as regulars maybe even get a flashback and then be the next victims killed off ala Libby and Ana:rolleyes:

Artzt was introduced for a specific purpose, completed that purpose and was terminated. I do not see much of a void.

I didn't mean that Artzt was ever intended to become a regular.

By "sociological void," I was referring to how Artzt was the only one to point out how "cliquey" and exclusionary *our* core group of Losties had become (Artzt pretty much said this during his rather angry rant to Hurley).

What I meant was, even though Nikki's dialogue and delivery wasn't the best, she at least voiced some variation of this same frustration level that Artzt had once exhibited. That's what I meant by "sociological void." Artzt was the only character (albeit a minor, disposable character) who challenged our Losties' self-centeredness.

While some of us were joking about the 'screentime sucking vampires' I am interested to see that a lot of people are serious in their dislike.

It should be known that this has nothing to do with the actors. I haven't seen 'Nikki' in anything but "Paulo' was good in "Love Actually'. Its not their fault the editors decided to clip their parts and give them such a strange intro. Yes..they are good looking and they may be talented out the wahzoo. This has little to do with THEM. If they make them sympathetic that will be fine....we just don't like time being taken away from our regular losties. And fair warning...neither of them will be sympathetic to me if they are involved in a silly C/C love triangle.

I don't think people actually 'hate' the characters. I think most think the intro was too abrupt and jarring. Some fear that they 'suck' up screentime that we in all our wisdom :biggrin: think should be given to others. :D

But I do suppose that its possible to hate certain chacters after only a few seconds... :wink1:


I'm glad to see that they are only 'reoccuring'.

You called them "screen sucking vampires" before the episode even aired. :rolleyes:

Their scenes that may have given them a proper introduction to the fans were cut. If not, they may have been liked by the fans. On the contrast, Charlie got tons of screentime that pretty much equated to a bunch of snarky comments against Locke. From your's and one other person's comments made before the episode, it seems to me like them not getting screen time and then to be disliked is what you wanted.

I'm not glad they are only 'reoccurring'. I think they have potential to be fresh and exciting. To be honest, I would much rather see screentime be given to them than Charlie who in my opinion has a tired and dull storyline.

I don't however wish to see the other character's screentime compromised for new characters.

They just seem like unnecessary eye candy to me... had hoped Lost was a bit deeper than that. This is supposed to attract more viewers? More likely to lose more dedicated fans.

It just serves to demonstrate that the makers are padding this out with extra fluff just cos it's making money. I'd rather it all finished with all questions answered this series, than dragging it all out for another 6 years with all this extra fluff before we get the answers.

I trust TPTB.

There has to be a reason to introduce two new island characters. There has to be something more than "romance" that they want to do.

But if it just turns out to be "eye candy," then I would probably be dissapointed (a status that doesn't really match up with lost..to me at least)

I still find it hard to believe that less than two minutes' worth of screentime can possibly justify all the hate that has been directed toward these two characters. I also can't believe how ridiculous some of the complaints are.

When i was in school we had this one day thing about interviews. There was a statistic , and don't quote me on this cause im not 100% clear on it, but anyway 90% of people's lasting impression on other people is made in the first 20 seconds that they see them.

So if people dislike Nikki and Paulo in the opening scene's they were in, its gonna take a lot for them to do in order to have people like them in the future.

Maybe someone with more knowledge can clarify the 90% impression thing.

You're right about first impressions irish lost fan. I have read the same thing. But honestly, I think that the small scene that N &P had didn't make any impression at all for the general audience. Every Thursday I go to lunch with a bunch of casual viewers from work and we discuss the show. Nikki and Paulo weren't even mentioned. Casual viewers have seen Rose and Bernard. I don't think having a couple of the other background characters suddenly speak out is a big deal for them.

If the characters turn out to be dull or annoying, I think people will hate them in earnest. But for now, I think it's just difficult to accept new characters into a show that arguably already had too many characters and too many loose ends and storylines running. I do think their one scene is awkward and I wish their other scenes hadn't been cut.

Also, because I read posts where people were hating these characters calling them "screen time sucking" before N&P even showed up on the screen, I'm convinced that a major reason why there is so much hate here among the online fans now is simply because N&P are a threat to their favorite character's screentime.

I really resented Ana Lucia last season and hated the fact that she got so much screen time. So I can understand why people don't want new characters. But I think it's lame if the only reason they are hated is because of jealousy or bitterness because they are a threat to take away one's favorite character's screentime, especially if that character is not popular.

Well, I can say for sure that it's going to be an uphill battle for them to get me to like these characters, especially after that first scene with Niki going off on Hurley like that.

It just seems unnecessary to introuce new characters with so many already on the plate. You've got 14 regulars, all the Others, plus Danielle, Penny, and former regulars who we may see in flashbacks.

Plus, if they are truly planning on killing off a regular to make room for Niki and Paulo, I will be really angry, no matter who it is. I have some Losties I like more than others, but none of them would be characters I would like to see go.

I hate to break it to all of you haters out there, but Rodrigo & Kiele are listed among the regular cast members in the opening credits - which means they are regulars and not just recurring.

Obviously we need some NEW characters. Who is Locke going to take on his rescue party -- hurley and aaron? eko is out of commission, charlie is too sassy and desmond has nothing to wear.
From a writing standpoint we need some established characters on the beach while everyone else is running around the woods.
For those who like to speculate, new posts on Completely LOST include:
1. Do the OTHERS remain on the island because they will die if they leave? (Will the 815ers discover they're in the same situation?)
2. Do the OTHERS want Jack for the simplest reason everyone else does? (He's a doctor)
3. Is the real leader of the OTHERS...a dark-haired woman?
4. Is the cave where Eko was taken actually the home of other OTHERS?
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I hate to break it to all of you haters out there, but Rodrigo & Kiele are listed among the regular cast members in the opening credits - which means they are regulars and not just recurring.

I noticed that too, and wondered who the heck they were. I wish whatever scenes that established their characters weren't cut, but what're you gonna do? I'm sure TPTB have a plan for them, apart from appearing from out of the blue like glorified background artists who are suddenly given speaking parts.

I hate to break it to all of you haters out there, but Rodrigo & Kiele are listed among the regular cast members in the opening credits - which means they are regulars and not just recurring.

And like I mentioned before in this thread - they were listed as guest stars on the ABC press releases for the first three episodes and Damon said they are recurring characters... ;)

Well, I never got around to voicing my opinion, and since this thread is alive and kickin'...
I agree with the majority of the posters:
I did not like their introduction at all. It was so forced and awkward. Nikki was terribly annoying. And Paula was an overly-groomed version of Desmond.
I see no point to them. They are truly screentime-sucking vampires.

I wish they'd be introduced differently, but I'm glad they weren't introduced the planned way. That would have annoyed everyone much more.

And I wish we freakin' knew if they were regulars or recurring, and if they are just in the opening credits because of fat contracts... :confused:

What she said. ITA.

kill them they're pointless

Well, I guess time will tell what role they will play, but since Rose & Bernard are only listed as guest stars, I guess it is safe to say that they will likely get less screen time than Jack (since everyone gets less than Jack) but more than Rose & Bernard. So does that make them regurring? ;)

Either way, it looks like we will be seeing quite a bit more of them so the haters are a little SOL.

kill them they're pointless

And you know this from the 5 seconds of screentime they got?????
*wonders if grasshopper has been spending time in Locke's sweat tent

I'm excited about the new characters. I'm not sure why though. I'm fearful that Niki might turn out to be like Ana and then I'll dislike her.. but for some reason I don't think that's gonna happen. I don't see her kicking the crap out of anyone like Ana did. :rolleyes:
How come you can get excited about Juliet and some of the Others, but not Niki and Paulo? At least give them a chance to see what kind of people they turn out to be.

What's funny is that after a couple weeks everyone else might really like them, and I'll be the one hating them.

eta: I love this thread.

Nikki was very annoying and seemed to be "over-acting" a bit. And it seems that with every episode that passes, more and more fans are less interested with the actual plot of the show and more interested in the "hotness" of the characters. How shallow do we need to be?? Vanity is taking this show right down Soap Opera Lane. Its really kinda pathetic.

Well, I guess time will tell what role they will play, but since Rose & Bernard are only listed as guest stars, I guess it is safe to say that they will likely get less screen time than Jack (since everyone gets less than Jack) but more than Rose & Bernard. So does that make them regurring? ;)

Either way, it looks like we will be seeing quite a bit more of them so the haters are a little SOL.



And you know this from the 5 seconds of screentime they got?????
*wonders if grasshopper has been spending time in Locke's sweat tent


YEAH THAT SOUNDS LIKE FUN BUT ONLY IF BOONE WAS THERE 2 NO THERES JUST TOO MANY PPL WITH COMPLICATED STORIES THAT 2 MORE IS 2 TOO MANY I THINK

Its is, this is all true. The producers need to get back on track and focus on the main plot of the show to get the audience captivated just like they did in season one.

I'm with the earlier poster: so far I don't like Nikki and Paulo.

Based upon what??

The way they were introduced was very hecktic and confusing, but there is absolutely no reason to hate them!



Yet........................

I don't understand why some people are having a difficult time comprehending why many of us already do not like Nikki and Paulo.

Let me put it this way. Say you have a group of friends-- six or seven people you hang out with regularly, and you really enjoy spending time with all of them. The mix just feels right to you, everyone has a role to play and no one feels left out. Most of us have had a circle of friends like this. Now, some of us have also had the experience where suddenly a new person starts hanging out with the group and just rubs you the wrong way. Sometimes you can't explain why it is, other times there may be a specific reason, but that careful balance just seems to be upset by that person's presence. Then, everything's different. Something just feels off-kilter in the group. I know this has happened to me. You don't necessarily even hold any malice against that individual, you just wish they weren't trying to nudge in on your group.

I think a lot of people feel that way about Nikki and Paulo. Those who are against their presence are being criticized for making a judgment before knowing anything about the characters, but the simple fact is, for many of us it's not a question of whether we will like the characters; it's the principle of introducing these new people out of the blue that bothers us.

Another point: I think the producers really screwed up in cutting out the tent sex scene with Nikki and Paulo. Had it been done humorously, I think it would have been a great way to introduce the characters. As it happened, our brief glimpse at them has been a minute of them panicking and yelling at Hurley-- not the best way to introduce two new characters who have a lot of uphill footwoork to do in order to win over many fans. So already, Nikki and Paulo may have been damaged by a bad editing decision-- yet another blow against them.

Furthermore, are they regulars or not? Well, without them the show has 14 regulars this season (the ten remaining from the first season, plus Eko, Desmond, Ben and Juliet). That is the same number of regulars from the first season. So who knows, and the argument is largely academic since not all of the actors appear in every episode. So I would agree that there's not even much point in debating that.

I feel that it is a legitimate concern that beloved returning characters may get less screen time as a result of Nikki and Paulo's presence. However, I am somewhat on the fence as to whether their introduction will be a good thing for the show. I guess I am a wait and see type. I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I'll admit it's not easy.

Perhaps one of the links between these newcomers and past events is that as a Brazilian, Paolo is somehow connected to Penny Widmore's Portuguese-speaking scouts?

Im guessing they have much history in flashbacks and thats why they were created. Either that or they are redshirts. Or just diversions. Or smokey in human form.

How come you can get excited about Juliet and some of the Others, but not Niki and Paulo? At least give them a chance to see what kind of people they turn out to be.


Because Juliet is a member of the Others, a mysterious group that we know very little about. I love the addition of Juliet and think she will be a very pivotal and intriguing character in learning who the Others are.

The losties, on the other hand, are group that we are already very familiar with. Although there are unanswered questions about all of them, we have a very good foundation (two seasons worth of flasbacks) from which to build. It doesn't matter what kind of people N & P turn out to be, as RodimusBen pointed out (in an excellent post I might add) they are an abrupt addition to the group we are so familiar with.

Or smokey in human form.

Hehe, I like that theory!! :D

Im guessing they have much history in flashbacks and thats why they were created..
I would venture to say that this is the SOLE reason they were created. Certainly not for story development, but for fresh flashbacks. A worn out device the writers simply refuse to abandon.

I don't understand why some people are having a difficult time comprehending why many of us already do not like Nikki and Paulo.



I still don't get it...., Maybe it's because I've moved so much and never had any trouble with old friends and new friends. neither character rubbed me the wrong way and was very happy with the writers introduced them.

I also believe it's entirely possible that over 69 days, we haven't met all 40 Plus surviors from Flight 815. I read several people mentioning they had a problem with this. I guess it comes from the Start Trek years, were you never met the entire crew.

I would venture to say that this is the SOLE reason they were created. Certainly not for story development, but for fresh flashbacks. A worn out device the writers simply refuse to abandon.

I still love the flashbacks. Can't wait for more, and can't wait for new ones for Nikki and Paulo. Go Writers!!!!!

I still love the flashbacks. Can't wait for more, and can't wait for new ones for Nikki and Paulo. Go Writers!!!!!
Really? You can't wait for more "Jack needs to SAVE people! Jack and Christian have a BUMPY relationship! Sarah LEAVES Jack!" flashbacks? How about some more "Sun's dad is a BAD MAFIA GUY! Jin has a hidden heart of GOLD!" flashbacks?

When I say that it's a tired device, I am referring to the current state. Of course, I'm (somewhat) interested in seeing some new flashbacks featuring Nikki and Paulo, but that's exactly my point. Their purpose is almost expressly to provide more flashback material. This would be fine IF once those flashbacks were at saturation point, the characters wouldn't be killed off or relegated to the background somewhere, like a 20-minute old piece of chewing gum, only to be replaced by "new" characters who have "been there all along."

This series isn't called FLASHBACK, and even though it is a big part of the show's format and heart, I don't think much foresight was used regarding the lifespan of such a technique.

Really? You can't wait for more "Jack needs to SAVE people! Jack and Christian have a BUMPY relationship! Sarah LEAVES Jack!" flashbacks? How about some more "Sun's dad is a BAD MAFIA GUY! Jin has a hidden heart of GOLD!" flashbacks?

When I say that it's a tired device, I am referring to the current state. Of course, I'm (somewhat) interested in seeing some new flashbacks featuring Nikki and Paulo, but that's exactly my point. Their purpose is almost expressly to provide more flashback material. This would be fine IF once those flashbacks were at saturation point, the characters wouldn't be killed off or relegated to the background somewhere, like a 20-minute old piece of chewing gum, only to be replaced by "new" characters who have "been there all along."

This series isn't called FLASHBACK, and even though it is a big part of the show's format and heart, I don't think much foresight was used regarding the lifespan of such a technique.

I think we still have a lot to learn about Jack and Christian, Sun, her father and Jin (and everyone else). The format of the show is to mix flashbacks with current events on the Island. I think they'll be stiking with that for a while (perhaps forever), and I happen to love it. Must respetfully disagree on the lifespan of the technique. Locke's episode is a perfect example. What we learned about Locke last week was very interesting, insightful, and relevant to the events happening on the Island. I'll say it again, Go Writers!!!!