Now that we have seen that Desmond can somehow see into the future, I wonder if he acquired these skills on the island or if he hda them before. It kind of sheds a whole new light onto the conversation that Jack had with Des in the stadium a/f Jack was havng all those relationship problems. Did Des know about them and could he see into the Jack's future when they first met??????

Eh...I think if Des had any psychic abilities, however slight, he would have seen himself stuck on an island for 3 years and wouldn't have tried to sail that boat.

So...nah, I think it's a result of the implosion.

what if he got it from the vaccine?

I mentioned this in another thread. When Des was telling Hurley about Locke's speech and Hurley looked at him like he was nuts, Des seemed to have caught himself like "oh yeah thats right,it didnt happen yet". Now personally , if I had just gained the ability to see the future, I dont think I would be so calm about it. I would have been freaked, but Des seemed to act as if he slipped up about knowing what was going to happen. Just because he can see the future doesnt mean he can get off the island using that skill, just that he can know whats going to happen.

Now that we have seen that Desmond can somehow see into the future, I wonder if he acquired these skills on the island or if he hda them before. It kind of sheds a whole new light onto the conversation that Jack had with Des in the stadium a/f Jack was havng all those relationship problems. Did Des know about them and could he see into the Jack's future when they first met??????

He did seem to be in the know about Jack's problems. I thought this during that episode because of the pointed questions he had asked Jack about Sarah.

and desmand's fav quote: "see you in another life" hmm maybe dropping a bit of a hint there!

i think it is a result of the hatch explosion. He was acting different when he was throwing the rocks into the water.

Eh...I think if Des had any psychic abilities, however slight, he would have seen himself stuck on an island for 3 years and wouldn't have tried to sail that boat.

So...nah, I think it's a result of the implosion.
Didn't Des say something to Jack back at the Stadium about healing Sara and that he would see Jack again?? If so, then he may have had the gift before.
And just because he may have 'the sight' does not mean that he can control what he sees! How do we know that he might've seen himself on the island??? Maybe he didn't.....

I believe, in theory, people who can see the future don't just see the future 24/7. They have random visions, and they can't actually control when those visions will occur. So I think this makes a lot of sense. Back when he first met Jack, his knowing Sarah would get better and his "another life" remark made no sense at all. But now in retrospect, knowing that he may have this ability now, the earlier things suddenly make sense if he had it all along.

Maybe he usually edits what he says out loud, to hide his ability. But after the hatch implosion, he is pretty shaken up. He may have simply slipped that remark out before he caught himself.

There was some question after this episode about a possible time slip causing Desmond to know this would be said by Locke later. If he had been nearby listening at the time it was said, that might make sense. But he was down by the beach with the sound of the surf drowning out the voices, and looking the other direction. So he knew it because he saw it and heard it happen from a different point of view - the past.

I believe, in theory, people who can see the future don't just see the future 24/7. They have random visions, and they can't actually control when those visions will occur. So I think this makes a lot of sense. Back when he first met Jack, his knowing Sarah would get better and his "another life" remark made no sense at all. But now in retrospect, knowing that he may have this ability now, the earlier things suddenly make sense if he had it all along.

Maybe he usually edits what he says out loud, to hide his ability. But after the hatch implosion, he is pretty shaken up. He may have simply slipped that remark out before he caught himself.

There was some question after this episode about a possible time slip causing Desmond to know this would be said by Locke later. If he had been nearby listening at the time it was said, that might make sense. But he was down by the beach with the sound of the surf drowning out the voices, and looking the other direction. So he knew it because he saw it and heard it happen from a different point of view - the past.
Great post, MPMom, I agree. Psychic abilities are probably not very controllable by those who possess them (I wouldn't know, lol). I definitely thought Des had some supernatural power back in the stadium. I wonder how long he's had it. Probably the EMP of the hatch amplified it.
And it doesn't seem like he would have been able to hear Locke's speech if he were down by the water (which makes a lot of noise) throwing rocks, so it was probably a vision that he saw. I hope we see more of this!

I took his confusion as just that. He was confused - with all those wierd island dreams going around...I mean come on. The only difference between Locke saying "I need to get Eko from the polar bear " and never seeing Eko get dragged away is that we saw his dream. We didn't see a desmond dream so we freak out?? He's not been physcic all along. And he seems a lot different than he did before the hatch explosion.

I don't think that Des had any previous powers before the implosion of the hatch. "see you in another life" is just something Des says. I doubt like someone said before that if Des would have seen himself being stranded on an island that he would have set sail around the world on that sailboat. I don't think there will ever be any flashbacks or anything to suggest that Des had this ability before. Just my opinion.

I thought from the beginning Des was the runner with something extra, it was pretty obvious (to me at least) in the stadium scene with Jack that he 'read' him. As far as intuition goes, a lot of the time you can 'see' much for yourself, you cant read your own cards or tell what partner is right etc., this isnt for all people who have the gift but it is for a lot of them. Otherwise there'd be a lot of lottery winners from this group. Not to say you dont know when your close ones might be in trouble or need you or know not to go to work on a certain day but maybe some things are too emotional to see the truth clearly about them. Des was so intent on proving that he had honor his vision was clouded, IMHO.

Evidence:

When Claire visits the psychic in S1, she says to him, "If you're psychic, why do you have to count (the money)?" and he responds, "it doesn't work that way". -- Which could be the reason Desmond is on the island even if he does have powers, he wouldn't have been able to see his own future.

Charlie says to Claire in the episode where they are abducted by Ethan, "if he has the gift, and I believe some people do, maybe he knew" -- this is a demonstrate that within the storyline of the show, some people DO have psychic abilities (as if that was ever in question).

Now, this next part is just something I noticed, but it also makes sense based on some of the other things I've seen about psychics and psychic abilities: Desmond TOUCHED something of both Jack's and Hurley's before he saw their futures (if that's what he did); Jack's ankle and Hurley's t-shirt. Claire's psychic had to touch her hands to read her future. Additionally, like I said, that is something that is a recurring theme with psychics (think "Dead Zone"), that they have to touch something of the subject's before their powers kick in.

Think about it, it makes sense! :biggrin:

:confused: Great post, MPMom, I agree. Psychic abilities are probably not very controllable by those who possess them (I wouldn't know, lol). I definitely thought Des had some supernatural power back in the stadium. I wonder how long he's had it. Probably the EMP of the hatch amplified it.
And it doesn't seem like he would have been able to hear Locke's speech if he were down by the water (which makes a lot of noise) throwing rocks, so it was probably a vision that he saw. I hope we see more of this!
I posted something about this elsewhere, but i beleive it bares repeating... Season Finaly, when Desmond's getting released from prison, the guard asks him about his Charles Dicken's book. Desmond replys, "It the last book I read before I die". To which the guard retorts, "Thats good, If you know when you're going to die." Desmond gives him a look...
Now I may be stretching here but...what do you all think?

:confused:
I posted something about this elsewhere, but i beleive it bares repeating... Season Finaly, when Desmond's getting released from prison, the guard asks him about his Charles Dicken's book. Desmond replys, "It the last book I read before I die". To which the guard retorts, "Thats good, If you know when you're going to die." Desmond gives him a look...
Now I may be stretching here but...what do you all think?

Good call! If I had remembered that, I would've included it in my post! Thanks for contributing!

Evidence:

When Claire visits the psychic in S1, she says to him, "If you're psychic, why do you have to count (the money)?" and he responds, "it doesn't work that way". -- Which could be the reason Desmond is on the island even if he does have powers, he wouldn't have been able to see his own future.

Charlie says to Claire in the episode where they are abducted by Ethan, "if he has the gift, and I believe some people do, maybe he knew" -- this is a demonstrate that within the storyline of the show, some people DO have psychic abilities (as if that was ever in question).

Now, this next part is just something I noticed, but it also makes sense based on some of the other things I've seen about psychics and psychic abilities: Desmond TOUCHED something of both Jack's and Hurley's before he saw their futures (if that's what he did); Jack's ankle and Hurley's t-shirt. Claire's psychic had to touch her hands to read her future. Additionally, like I said, that is something that is a recurring theme with psychics (think "Dead Zone"), that they have to touch something of the subject's before their powers kick in.

Think about it, it makes sense! :biggrin:
Wow, Hellfire, great research -- or should I say, great memory! That really helps set the context of where Lost stands on this stuff (at least for this week).

I mentioned this in another thread. When Des was telling Hurley about Locke's speech and Hurley looked at him like he was nuts, Des seemed to have caught himself like "oh yeah thats right,it didnt happen yet". Now personally , if I had just gained the ability to see the future, I dont think I would be so calm about it. I would have been freaked, but Des seemed to act as if he slipped up about knowing what was going to happen. Just because he can see the future doesnt mean he can get off the island using that skill, just that he can know whats going to happen.

I don't think Desmond can SEE into the future, so much as he actually may have BEEN IN the future. When he spoke with Hurley he was dazed and confused and it was only when Hurley gave him the "look" that he realized that he was talking about something that had not happened yet, at least as far as Hurley was concerned.

How do Desmond's abilities, or what we know of them, compare to what we know of Walt's abilities? Is there any relation?

what if he got it from the vaccine?

Still don't believe it's a vaccine for a plethora of reasons.

How do Desmond's abilities, or what we know of them, compare to what we know of Walt's abilities? Is there any relation?

They both may or may not have been amplified by the island.