Ben told Jack "And I have lived all my life on this island" playing into Jack's belief, or assumption, that there is only 1 island. I think he's lying, and that he has not lived his entire life on the island.

Now, before you start to post "But he might mean HYDRA Island" yes, he might, but even if he does, it's still a statement made to decieve and manipulate, because Ben knows that Jack doesn't even suspect that he's on a seperate island.

When he told Sawyer "but we're better" while they were looking at the other island, it's probably the only true thing he's told anyone so far.

I think that statement is really the heart and soul of what is happening on the show. Ben is running some kind of master con here. I think we can pretty much assume that anything Ben says to the losties in any form is a big fat lie.

I think it's interesting how some people take certain things Ben says, like growing up on the island, as truth. I'm willing to bet if we tally up the things he's told people that he has about 50 things in the "lie" catagory and about 4 in the "truth" catagory!

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There is some debate in other posts on whether or not there are really 2 islands (at least). Two question in response to your opinion:

Has Ben lived on one of the islands all his life?
Do they have contact with the outside world? (There seems to be no debate there is)

Now, before you start to post "But he might mean HYDRA Island" yes, he might, but even if he does, it's still a statement made to decieve and manipulate, because Ben knows that Jack doesn't even suspect that he's on a seperate island.Where I live (Home) and where I work are two separate concepts in my mind. I have lived in one city while working in another nearby larger city. I f asked where I was living I would have identified the city where my home was located. So although I think Ben is a consummate liar, I might grant him the benefit of the doubt on this point, even though I dislike doing so.

Since the facility Jack was being held in is a marine research lab, it may be under water between or near the two islands, not on Hydra Island. Nit picking!

Since the facility Jack was being held in is a marine research lab, it may be under water between or near the two islands, not on Hydra Island. Nit picking!

Jack is not under water. He's in an small cell inside the building right by Sawyer and Kate's cages. He's probably 100 feet away from them, and he's probably in a basement, but he's not under water.

Where I live (Home) and where I work are two separate concepts in my mind. I have lived in one city while working in another nearby larger city. I f asked where I was living I would have identified the city where my home was located. So although I think Ben is a consummate liar, I might grant him the benefit of the doubt on this point, even though I dislike doing so.

Who said anything about home and work? I don't understand how your point applies to mine, since I don't think Ben thinks of the Hydra station as his full time job. But even if he did, WTF does it have to do with my OP??

Not to mention, no cities, and you are not holding crash survivors hostage in zoo cages and a strange old corporate testing facility. ;)

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Jack is not under water. He's in an small cell inside the building right by Sawyer and Kate's cages. He's probably 100 feet away from them, and he's probably in a basement, but he's not under water.



Who said anything about home and work? I don't understand how your point applies to mine, since I don't think Ben thinks of the Hydra station as his full time job. But even if he did, WTF does it have to do with my OP??

Not to mention, no cities, and you are not holding crash survivors hostage in zoo cages and a strange old corporate testing facility. ;)

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Actually, he is underground(underwater). You don't remember when Jack asked Ben what would happen if he opened a certain door and Ben said they'd all die? Then Jack opened it and the whole place flooded with water. I'm pretty sure they are in the same place that flooded a couple of episodes back.

A lot of people are debating that scene. There is no way that Jack and Juliet could have closed that steel door if they were actually being flooded with water on the ocean floor. No way. So either it's a sloppy production mistake, or they're not underwater.

If they're underwater, then it just means that the Hydra is at the edge of Alcatraz Island and Jack is being kept just offshore.

I think Ben is lying to Jack, but not about living on the Island all his life. He's lying about taking Jack home.

I am absolutely convinced that they are cut off from the outside world since the Hatch implosion. Whatever "crack" in the Island's isolation they used to communicate and get supplies through is gone now. Ben was headed to the Swan when he got caught to see that it got closed (though I don't know if he planned to kill, kidnap or just talk to Locke). And the rest of the Others had no idea what he was up to.

I don't know if Michael and Walt made it out in time, but there's no way to take Jack (or anyone else) home any more.

Or so I believe.

I think Ben is lying to Jack, but not about living on the Island all his life. He's lying about taking Jack home.

I don't know if Michael and Walt made it out in time, but there's no way to take Jack (or anyone else) home any more.

Or so I believe.

I think this too, there is no way to take Jack home. There is no transportation for this too.

HAHAHAHA i still love lost :)
well as were all giving our i thinks...

o i think he isnt lying he will take him home, why lie about that there are plenty of other things he can offer to get co operation from him, like answers, a zippo, a few shares in the company, a round the island tour, hell a back massage and a candle light dinner with hurley would be amazing after the stuff he has gone threw....

o i think ben isnt lying about living on that island all his life, i am just skepticle as to wheather his life has been 40+ years or if the show is going to take on cloning ( i cant see it but i didnt see another island or birds that say hurley) and he has only been alive 5 years

maybe he has lived on the island all his life but, sometimes he likes to ride his dharma shark around to the salsa island where its spanish night every night. so he is only lying a little.

maybe he is the island!