Hello!
First time posting here !:biggrin:

Did anybody noticed when the episode starts..in the very very beginng...Desmond's hand??
(where he sits sceptical on the rocks near the sea)
On the top side of his hand he has a round kind of wound....looks like from a nail?!:eek2:
You can see it...its very very clear!!

Sorry if somebody posted it already...i didnt see it!
I dont know how to put a screencap!

Welcome, Sokolata. Good first post - you may be on to something. Here's the cap:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1189&pos=3

Hmmm... possibly, but from the looks of that pic there are other scrapes and such on his hand that look similar, like on his knuckle. They all seem to be on the surface. Usually that sort of reference would be more obvious. If TPTB wanted to display a stigmata, I would think that it would be more emphasized on his hand - in my opinion. Interesting observation, though.

(btw, welcome to the 'Lage! :Welcome:)

Thanks for the welcoming guys!:biggrin: :biggrin:

Yes there other scrapes on his knuckles....but i find this particular wound and his hand on his chin for few seconds ...was there for us to see!!

Thanks for the pic Fish biscuit....For me its kinda of clear that this is a wound like from a "nail" !! In this season... Desmond is the most exciting character for me so far!

Be patient with my English..not my first language!:biggrin:
:hypocrit:

Yes there other scrapes on his knuckles....but i find this particular wound and his hand on his chin for few seconds ...was there for us to see!!

That's what I thought. The way the camera turned where you could see the top of his hand made it look intentional. Makes ya wonder....

And i dont know if im going too far with this Jesus connection think but i believe even the clothes that Hurley gave to Desmond ("Further Instructions" episode) were meant to be shown as kirtle/robe !!
What do you think?:undecide:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1185&pos=631

I never paid any attention to it but it certainly is worth chatting about, Desmond has looked more and more like Jesus as the weeks have gone on, and he seemed quite shocked that Locke " shut out a priest " from the swan hatch. Maybe he got religion when he was in prison. I think Desmond is going to go through a transition like Eko did.

Hello!
First time posting here !:biggrin:

Did anybody noticed when the episode starts..in the very very beginng...Desmond's hand??
(where he sits sceptical on the rocks near the sea)
On the top side of his hand he has a round kind of wound....looks like from a nail?!:eek2:
You can see it...its very very clear!!

Sorry if somebody posted it already...i didnt see it!
I dont know how to put a screencap!


Excellent first post. There is also a cap of Des with the sun setting in front of him and it looks like he has a halo.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x03-instructions/2/normal_instructions-cap-651.jpg

You might be onto something here.

Thank you Waltisfuture !!:smile:

Really? In what episode?:o
I got to see that!!!

Thank you Waltisfuture !!:smile:

Really? In what episode?:o
I got to see that!!!

I just added it to my previous post. Enjoy

Another Jesus/Desmond reference some peeps thought of was the tie-dye shirt is an homage to Jesus Christ Superstar??

Oh sorry! i've just noticed! You already posted a screencap!
:p

I'm going to have to say that this is stretching it quite a bit.

- Just because Desmond has a long face and a beard like the icons of Jesus does not mean that were the writers' intent. Many guys wear long hair and have beards, and they have the "Jesus-look," which does not mean anything. It's just a style that has been around longer than Christ came to earth.
- The scrape is closer to his knuckle then directly behind the palm of his hand (or the wrist).
- When the sun is behind him, that is not supposed to mean anything, but that he is behind the sun.
- Wearing a shirt which covers his crotch (can I say that?) :lipsseal: does not look like a toga, it looks dorky. :eek2:
- His ability to predict the future does not mean anything either. It's just a cool thing the writers put in there to make us wonder what will happen next; and might be used for an upcoming plot.

These rebuttals are not intended to blast the newbie (I'm a newbie too!), but I see too many things in this forum where observations lead to ridiculous hypotheticals which will not be proven (no time clocks, the toothpicks in Jack's grilled cheese sandwich, car on the island). It becomes tiresome.

I highly doubt there would be a religious intent inserted in the episodes unless they are blatantly put in there (Virgin statues, halos on the characters in Charlie's dream in "Fire + Water," Eko's priesthood, Sayid praying to Allah). Unless Desmond begins saying something like, "The Son of the Scottish will be betrayed and be delivered up to the Others," I will continue to doubt that the writers intended to put any Jesus connection to Desmond.

I think the wound just looks like a clump of sand stuck to a scrape on his hand

Yeah, it is a bit of a stretch here that the wound on Desmond's hand is a pure puncture wound like what Jesus received from being nailed to the cross. Even with the accellerated healing on the island it would look different then just the scratch on top of the hand that we saw in that picture.

The fact that we havent seen what happend to Desmond, Locke, Eko or Charlie after the Hatches implosion is one of the greatest mysterys to show up so far out of Season 3.

I mean we saw what became of the hatch. Those 4 should be dead and crushed into about the size of a Rubics' cube. Instead Desmond shows up nekkid, Locke shows up in a post very much like when we first find Jack, but without the ability to speak, Charlie wandered back to camp partially deaf and Eko almost ended up as a take out meal from Polarbear McDonalds.

But I am rooting for ya for the Jesus connection. I'm just not seeing it yet.

Considering the blast of the hatch, it certainly seems like it would take a resurrection to survive that.

HAHAHA, i love lost, :)

i dont know what is being discussed here, if desmond is jesus or similarities? as a guy born in 1986 i dont really know what jesus looked like,(his hair his clothes or even his skin colour - apart from those re-occuring faces of him on toast) and i dont think that lost would take on religion so much as to put jesus innit, but i do think that either the writers are giving more red herrings (the hurley bird) or that they are hinting that he has some power we would class as divine...............and bring forth the seeing of the future......nothing in lost is by accident, cept when hurley farts but they edit that out.

Considering the blast of the hatch, it certainly seems like it would take a resurrection to survive that.

Hee hee!! Good one!:biggrin:

Considering the blast of the hatch, it certainly seems like it would take a resurrection to survive that.

A resurrection implies one was already dead, and came back to life. Up to this point, there is no implication that Locke, Desmond, or Eko died. However, it was mysterious how they survived the implosion/explosion.

Hello again!

I wrote what I thought of course ...im not 100% sure!!
Maybe there is no Jesus connection after all....im not going to argue with that because simply....I dont know!!

I dont take it personally sk8rpro..dont worry!:biggrin:
I respect your opinion..maybe you are right! Who knows!!

We're all chatting about lost here and we assume stuff sometimes!!
;)

This right here is what's amazing about this show! We all come together and toss theories at one another! Some of us think others are bogus, and some of us are like, "Oh My God! Why didn't I think of that!?" And yet we are respectful and kind!
LOST FANS ARE AMAZING!:rockon:

Personally, I think TPTB aren't trying to make Desmond JESUS. But I do think they're giving him similar qualities. You can read a book that has nothing to do with religion, and yet find that religious symbolism was throughout the entire novel. Why can't TV characters be the same? They can. That's what I think Desmond's character is; symbolism of Jesus.
He's gonna be the Savior of our Losties, just you watch!!! Hehehe

This right here is what's amazing about this show! We all come together and toss theories at one another! Some of us think others are bogus, and some of us are like, "Oh My God! Why didn't I think of that!?" And yet we are respectful and kind!
LOST FANS ARE AMAZING!:rockon:

Personally, I think TPTB aren't trying to make Desmond JESUS. But I do think they're giving him similar qualities. You can read a book that has nothing to do with religion, and yet find that religious symbolism was throughout the entire novel. Why can't TV characters be the same? They can. That's what I think Desmond's character is; symbolism of Jesus.
He's gonna be the Savior of our Losties, just you watch!!! Hehehe

I like the idea of symbolizing Jesus in Desmond as a "savior," actually. And I can totally see the hints - The halo, the toga, the surviving the implosion (yes, I realize E,C, & L survived, too, but Desmond was the furthest underground, thereby the MOST unlikely to have survived). Plus, his appearance naked could be a symbol of resurrection - being "reborn."

True, it's not overt, and it may be nothing - but it's fun to speculate, isn't it?

This right here is what's amazing about this show! We all come together and toss theories at one another! Some of us think others are bogus, and some of us are like, "Oh My God! Why didn't I think of that!?" And yet we are respectful and kind!
LOST FANS ARE AMAZING!:rockon:

Personally, I think TPTB aren't trying to make Desmond JESUS. But I do think they're giving him similar qualities. You can read a book that has nothing to do with religion, and yet find that religious symbolism was throughout the entire novel. Why can't TV characters be the same? They can. That's what I think Desmond's character is; symbolism of Jesus.
He's gonna be the Savior of our Losties, just you watch!!! Hehehe


Yes of course they are not trying to make Desmond Jesus....I was talking about sympolism!! I hope i was clear about that!:biggrin:
This is what i believe too Nikki Nap....That he will be the one to save them! yeyeeey!Hehehehee;)

I like the idea of symbolizing Jesus in Desmond as a "savior," actually. And I can totally see the hints - The halo, the toga, the surviving the implosion (yes, I realize E,C, & L survived, too, but Desmond was the furthest underground, thereby the MOST unlikely to have survived). Plus, his appearance naked could be a symbol of resurrection - being "reborn."

True, it's not overt, and it may be nothing - but it's fun to speculate, isn't it?

Using the symbolism card can be dangerous for movies or media. (I understand that the people who are posting here use symolism rather than saying Desmond is equal to Christ.)
For example, the quote from above says that nakedness represents rebirth. While that can be true, I as a biblical studies major, say that nakedness in the biblical context represents shame. Some people suggest Jesus was crucified nekked - that represented shameful humiliation. The slippery slope is that symbolism could represent rebirth or humiliation.

Two episodes ago, Desmond was nekkid and it was embarrassing for him. Notice how angry he got from Hurley's, "So the hatch blew off your underwear." Look at the context of the storyline! Being that Desmond supposedly already "resurrected" why is it embarrasing to be nekkid if it is supposed to represent rebirth? As far as I can tell, there is no symbolism here.

Anytime people try to find religion in movies or any type of media, they tend to be stretching it to the point as if it is the writers' intent. If you go to www.hollywoodjesus.com (http://www.hollywoodjesus.com) you'll see people trying to link any movie or song with Christianity (or they used to do it more) because they love Jesus! I don't blame people for loving Christ, I love him, too. But geez, let the story be itself before jumping to conclusions that the writers intend to put religious content.

My point is that symbolism will be seen in the light of what people wish to see, rather than the writers' intent. Lost fans are good at observing book references, but they are found in the context of books being referenced. Easter eggs, too, are found, but they are for the context of seeing if viewers have catched it. With Desmond symbolizing Christ, the details given for support could mean anything, and it is a slippery slope.

A resurrection implies one was already dead, and came back to life. Up to this point, there is no implication that Locke, Desmond, or Eko died. However, it was mysterious how they survived the implosion/explosion.
How do you know Desmond wasn't dead? We don't. He said he "woke up" naked in the jungle.

How do you know Desmond wasn't dead? We don't. He said he "woke up" naked in the jungle.

We don't? Are you telling me everytime we see a character survive mysteriously you would consider an idea of resurrection?

Here's one thing that was said by Carlton and Damon in the Official Lost Podcast:


There are no plans to resurrect characters except in the Zombie season. Whenever they talk about zombie seasons, they use that as a joke. In other words - never.

Saying we don't know Desmond was dead is just like saying Boone or Shannon are still alive. This show is not religious where characters are resurrected from the dead.

But thanks for your suggestion. It clearly demonstrates my point how people assume rediculous things by overanalyzing everything, which exceeds the authors' intention.

We don't? Are you telling me everytime we see a character survive mysteriously you would consider an idea of resurrection?

Here's one thing that was said by Carlton and Damon in the Official Lost Podcast:


There are no plans to resurrect characters except in the Zombie season. Whenever they talk about zombie seasons, they use that as a joke. In other words - never.

Saying we don't know Desmond was dead is just like saying Boone or Shannon are still alive. This show is not religious where characters are resurrected from the dead.

But thanks for your suggestion. It clearly demonstrates my point how people assume rediculous things by overanalyzing everything, which exceeds the authors' intention.


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Ok ...now you become very very inpolite my friend!
RELAX!!!!! its a show!!....we say stuff,we assume stuff,sometimes we say right things,sometimes wrong!
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM??!!
Why so touchy and sensitive about the Jesus - connection??
If is there fine....if not fine again! who cares??!!

Well..your last sentense shows your quality and your respect for others opinions...Im not going to go further than that! THE END!

Happy chatting people..its only a show!!
We do have a life after that!

PEACE!:biggrin:

How do you know Desmond wasn't dead? We don't. He said he "woke up" naked in the jungle.

Good point.

The implosion of the hatch was rather violent, but I don't think it's possible a blast rips ones clothes off without seriously injuring the one who wears it. So what happened to Desmond?
- He could've taken 'm off himself in a sort of blackout right after the blast
- They could be stolen

Both down-to-earth possibilities seem unlikely to me, so I think we have to look for an unlikely explanation. The idea he resurrected fits with that - and I like the idea.

@ Sk8rPro Of course not every theory is as sound as another, but if you disagree with one, please be a bit more respectful when you critizise it.

i found desmond to be looking rather like Jesus, with the beard and his unkempt locks. actually, that's the first thing i said when i saw him sitting all pensively .."man, desmond looks like Jesus!"

we'll see, perhaps he inheirited some healing powers as well as the gift of foresight.

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Ok ...now you become very very inpolite my friend!
RELAX!!!!! its a show!!....we say stuff,we assume stuff,sometimes we say right things,sometimes wrong!
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM??!!
Why so touchy and sensitive about the Jesus - connection??
If is there fine....if not fine again! who cares??!!

Well..your last sentense shows your quality and your respect for others opinions...Im not going to go further than that! THE END!

Happy chatting people..its only a show!!
We do have a life after that!

PEACE!:biggrin:

Right there with ya - Soko. Sorry your first post drew the ire of all the "experts". Like you said, it's just a speculative observation. There's religion all over this show. Look at Charlie, Eko and Rose. Not only are they religious but they're Christians. I don't think you're off base at all. Some folks need to show that their brains are bigger than the rest of ours. "We're havin fun here, no?"

FB

I'ma agree with all the folks who posted, essentially, "calm the heck down." We get all into this because it's fun to think about - it's a giant mystery, and we keep trying to find clues, and sometimes what we find doesn't mean anything, but it amuses us.

I have a real problem with people who take things so seriously that they can't not bash other people. We were all pretty much having a good time with this thread until that happened. Why the hell can't we have candy speculations, anyway? Why can't I be interested in an idea without throwing my full mental capacity, plus all the knowledge from the Lost Experience, writer/producer commentary, interviews, et al. behind it? Some of us really are here for the fun of it!

To address one particular comment re: nekkidness - I was thinking about it in the reborn "Born Again," newborn kinda way. I can't disagree with the fact that Des was not happy about being naked, but to be honest, I wasn't prepared to discuss the topic from the point of view of a Bible scholar - just someone who reads a lot and was intrigued by a possibility. Tis all.

I agree with sokolata. We all just have a bit of fun with this show and our speculations. There is no prize that I'm aware of for being the first person to truely figure out the mysteries of Lost.

Right there with ya - Soko. Sorry your first post drew the ire of all the "experts". Like you said, it's just a speculative observation. There's religion all over this show. Look at Charlie, Eko and Rose. Not only are they religious but they're Christians. I don't think you're off base at all. Some folks need to show that their brains are bigger than the rest of ours. "We're havin fun here, no?"

FB

Indeed Fish biscuit;) ...We do have fun!!!!..And this is my only concern!! :biggrin:

A word to everyone here...

Having fun is one thing..but if this constant back and forth insult/flame game does not stop now..EVERYONE is going to be on the block for warnings and points.

Get the thread on topic and please end the personal insults or the thread will be closed.

I think symbolism for religion is everywhere, in everything, because it's what people know. If you don't know anything about Jesus, then you won't see Jesus symbolism anywhere. If you know nothing about the religion of Islam (which I don't) you won't find it in anything you read or watch. Just like I find Lost symbolism in things in my school classes. They symbolize Lost to ME. Not to anyone else, because no one else is completely obsessed with this show. Hehehe.
Symbolism, sometimes, is intentional. Other times a writer will look back and go, "woah! I didn't even think of that! But there it is!" Do you think Hemingway THOUGHT about every little detail of Christian symbolism in "The Old Man and the Sea"? I seriously doubt it, given what I know of Hemingway. But, because it's what we know, we find it. Beliefs form our interperetations of things. So if some see Desmond as a Jesus figure (I do!) then they know about Jesus. They may not practice Christianity. But they know enough about Jesus to form the connections. And connections is what Lost is all about, yeah?

Ok... I'm done ranting now.. hehe.

I'm going to have to say that this is stretching it quite a bit.

- Just because Desmond has a long face and a beard like the icons of Jesus does not mean that were the writers' intent. Many guys wear long hair and have beards, and they have the "Jesus-look," which does not mean anything. It's just a style that has been around longer than Christ came to earth.
- The scrape is closer to his knuckle then directly behind the palm of his hand (or the wrist).
- When the sun is behind him, that is not supposed to mean anything, but that he is behind the sun.
- Wearing a shirt which covers his crotch (can I say that?) :lipsseal: does not look like a toga, it looks dorky. :eek2:
- His ability to predict the future does not mean anything either. It's just a cool thing the writers put in there to make us wonder what will happen next; and might be used for an upcoming plot.

These rebuttals are not intended to blast the newbie (I'm a newbie too!), but I see too many things in this forum where observations lead to ridiculous hypotheticals which will not be proven (no time clocks, the toothpicks in Jack's grilled cheese sandwich, car on the island). It becomes tiresome.

I highly doubt there would be a religious intent inserted in the episodes unless they are blatantly put in there (Virgin statues, halos on the characters in Charlie's dream in "Fire + Water," Eko's priesthood, Sayid praying to Allah). Unless Desmond begins saying something like, "The Son of the Scottish will be betrayed and be delivered up to the Others," I will continue to doubt that the writers intended to put any Jesus connection to Desmond.

i was going to mention that the stigmata occurred on the wrist, but you beat me to that one, along with all of your other statements. i think people are reading too far into this one.... but what else do you expect from the Fuselage?