Hey there fellow Losties,

I know there is already a thread going about Paulo and Nikki in the Futher Instructions board. And also one about Paulo going in the Every Man for Himself board. However I would like to see how many people think they should get X-ed ASAP??? Compared to how many fans want to see more of them, and how they can grow as characters. Sorry to say that I personally don't care for them at all, or they way they have been introduced into the show. But I'm a little harsh, so I need feedback. Please vote on this poll, and if there is an option that I have not included, please post it. Thanks guys.

Um, they haven't really been introduced yet. We don't know anything about them.

EDIT: Poll?

Where's the poll?

ETA: Polls here now. Okay. I said they should die ASAP, not because I'm judging them too quickly and harshly, but because they never should have been brought in in the first place. Totally unnecessary.

Um, they haven't really been introduced yet. We don't know anything about them.

EDIT: Poll?

I understand that, but that's why I started the poll, to see what others feel. Because honestly it seems that a large number of fans don't want to know anything about them to begin with. I know that it's early for them but I don't think they should have even been added. It's like cramming more food onto an already full plate, everything starts to run off the plate over the sides ;).

I understand that, but that's why I started the poll, to see what others feel. Because honestly it seems that a large number of fans don't want to know anything about them to begin with. I know that it's early for them but I don't think they should have even been added. It's like cramming more food onto an already full plate, everything starts to run off the plate over the sides ;).

Amen i hope the just get Libby'd wrong place wrong time goodbye

They both need to go. We already have established characters who don't get nearly enough screen time as it is.

I don't care about, want, or need these two new characters. You're telling me that there is such an important role for them to play that couldn't be done by some of the existing characters? I don't think so.:thmbdown:

Where's the poll?

ETA: Polls here now. Okay. I said they should die ASAP, not because I'm judging them too quickly and harshly, but because they never should have been brought in in the first place. Totally unnecessary.


My feelings exactly, I thought there was enough losties without bringing in more in the 3rd season.
Val

GOOD GRIEF, people!

We haven't even seen Nikki's and Paulo's backstories yet, and how they tie in with the other characters or the island's mythology.

At least give their flashback episodes a chance before calling for their heads on a platter.

There's so much going on with the story already that I don't see what those two could possibly add that would justify their existence.

why add other characters when.....where are Rose and Bernard? did they drown? at this point i would rather see an Aaron flashback than N & P. haven't seen danielle in a while....what happened to that little girl Ana Lucia was helping when the tail section first landed? before tptb go adding new characters with super-abrupt introductions, they need to tie up many many many loose ends IMHO.

There is nothing they can bning to the show or the camp, they just dont fit, they were added when totally unneccessary, they wont be helpful at all and just dont merge in. I mean, all the other characters compliment the rest, but they dont. They seem like sticking out, sort of too fancy for the losties. I also think its because its been 71+ days on island now, and any new red shirts becoming main characters will look awful, because its too late in the show. Well theres my massive reason, now bring on the slaughter.

Eko should pick up the Axe from the plane and Axe Nikki and Paulo. They are as unecessary as something that is unecessary. :biggrin:

I don't care about, want, or need these two new characters. You're telling me that there is such an important role for them to play that couldn't be done by some of the existing characters? I don't think so.

I said they should die ASAP, not because I'm judging them too quickly and harshly, but because they never should have been brought in in the first place. Totally unnecessary.

There's so much going on with the story already that I don't see what those two could possibly add that would justify their existence.

:hug: to archangel!

:hug: to pace!

:hug: to Ginge!

These are the real points! We do not need any more characters! :ranting:

And I miss seeing Bernard and Rose around. They are not missing so that these two newbies can be shoehorned in, I hope! :mad:

I keep :42: who's gonna die so these two can live. . . .

I voted: Nikki should go, but Paulo is cute enough to keep around. Yeah, I'm pretty shallow. I think we should give them a chance, but if TPTB insist on killing someone, they could kill them instead, I don't think I'd lose sleep over it. I would like to see their perspective on what happened with them. Maybe they figured everything out about the island (smokey, the polar bears, the whispers), didn't tell anyone, and spent the rest of the time working on their tans. :biggrin:

GOOD GRIEF, people!

We haven't even seen Nikki's and Paulo's backstories yet, and how they tie in with the other characters or the island's mythology.

At least give their flashback episodes a chance before calling for their heads on a platter.

That's EXACTLY the reason they need to go, before they get a flashback. I mean, even the wanted effect by TPTB, that teenager latino's would massively zap in to watch their favorite star, doesn't seem to work out.

The way they seem to be set-up is that they have abysmal characters and feel left out and they will be oining the losties on their trecks and adventures, probably to be turned slightly to good persons, but...don't you understand we don't give a damn nut about them in the first place?

And kudos to the people saying one of them can stay because they're cute. That's one hell of a good reason...Who needs scripts anyway? Just let a few of the main actors stroll by topless and we're happy, wee!

Hasnt anyone thought that there isnt just the main cast there, all so often we dismiss the background traffic in shows like this, missing the ever more important clues they might drop along the way.

We only have peices of the losties history, and little of the others, expanding the story with a little more spice could prove interresting.

On the other hand, introduing folk 70 days into this adventure seems odd, but should we dismiss all the other survirvors just because we love the cast? Do we fear change that much?

Wait n see, patience people, dont jump to conclusions eh.

I voted for them to stay. I'm as uncomfortable as anyone with how they were brought in, but I think they at least need a flashback each to see just how important they are to the story...but then again there is the good argument that there are other losties who are being neglected. :undecide:

If they do get them before Charlie/Claire/Rose/Bernard then they are going to have to be pretty juicy storylines to make us remotely interested in their survival. (maybe even on-island flashbacks of their own treks into the jungle? Who knows what they found?)

I'd say a happy medium for them is to be part of the group for a little while, flashbacks can come when they are accepted a little more, but there's no reason to kill them just yet, you never know..... :confused:

And kudos to the people saying one of them can stay because they're cute. That's one hell of a good reason...Who needs scripts anyway? Just let a few of the main actors stroll by topless and we're happy, wee!

LMAO

Please dont give TPTB any bright ideas. Actually forget that. I am sure thats exactly what this show will become regardless. I mean lets be honest, they only brought in these pretty people for the shallow followers of LOST, which I think happens to be most of the viewers.

As for the post, kill em off fast. Wont ever happen though...they are TOO CUTE!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, now I know why Bernard and Rose are not getting any screen time....not purdy enough.

Feed em to the Krakken! Arrrrr!!!!

They should go. I don't want any of our established characters to die simply to give these two new characters space. I am sick and tired of investing emotionally on LOST characters only to have them die because new characters are introduced.

The show is established enough. There are plenty of stories to be told about the esblished characters. As I am writing this it is Wed. morning of Nov. 1. Tonight a character will die and I am upset. I know that Rodrigo was brought to the show to enlarge the Brazilian audience. LOST does not need to do that.

In fact, now that LOST is showing in Russia, are they going to introduce Russian actors to appease the Russian audience? Give me a break.

Now, I don't want to be a hypocrit. I do adore a new character who was introduced in S. 2: Henry/Ben/Benry. But that character was not supposed to have last longer than 3 episodes. It was Michael Emerson's acting ability that made Benry a permanent character. The audience loved him and he stayed. I have no problems with such addition. However, I hear rumors that Benry may die. Why kill off a good thing going? Maybe LOST is jumping the shark.

Also, LOST has established something that no other shows have done previously: They were not afraid of killing off main characters. However, do it enough, and you may lose your fan base.

That's just my not-so-humble opinion.

GOOD GRIEF, people!

We haven't even seen Nikki's and Paulo's backstories yet, and how they tie in with the other characters or the island's mythology.

And I don't want to. I have built up such disdain for them that I don't care who they are, what they do, or who they save, I will hate them until they die.

I agree with those who say that N & P's backstories will only take away from current character's stories that I would like to know more about rather than N & P's ie, Rose, Benard, Claire, any of Others, hell thow Neil, Cindy and Scott/Steve in the mix.

They should go. I don't want any of our established characters to die simply to give these two new characters space. I am sick and tired of investing emotionally on LOST characters only to have them die because new characters are introduced.

The show is established enough. There are plenty of stories to be told about the esblished characters. As I am writing this it is Wed. morning of Nov. 1. Tonight a character will die and I am upset. I know that Rodrigo was brought to the show to enlarge the Brazilian audience. LOST does not need to do that.

In fact, now that LOST is showing in Russia, are they going to introduce Russian actors to appease the Russian audience? Give me a break.

Now, I don't want to be a hypocrit. I do adore a new character who was introduced in S. 2: Henry/Ben/Benry. But that character was not supposed to have last longer than 3 episodes. It was Michael Emerson's acting ability that made Benry a permanent character. The audience loved him and he stayed. I have no problems with such addition. However, I hear rumors that Benry may die. Why kill off a good thing going? Maybe LOST is jumping the shark.

Also, LOST has established something that no other shows have done previously: They were not afraid of killing off main characters. However, do it enough, and you may lose your fan base.

That's just my not-so-humble opinion.
Totally agreed, only kill them off if they cant act the part well enough. I hope ben stays on though, and that niki and paulo get killed off soon, as rose and bernard are no longer series regulars, they are classed as guest stars. =/ Plus, if these two hated characters both get seperate flashback episodes, thats two episodes wasted on characters we dont care about. Bring on the blood fest, and no long drawn out, romantic, moving deaths. Just push them off a cliff, hear the splat, get john to say "well, look at that" and let the rest of the cast carry on. :D
Also after watching their intro, i know why else i hate them. The fact nikki whines saying when were you planning on telling us this hurley? Erm duh, he just got back and it was the first thing he said! Then the fact paulo asks what do you mean they, who's this they?
Erm, the others? Were have you been for the last 70 days? Did you miss lockes speech in season one! You should of been there, mr red shirt. honestly, they seem like all they have done for the last 70 days was sleep together and clean their clothes.

They both should get the "Artz"!

They should go. I don't want any of our established characters to die simply to give these two new characters space. I am sick and tired of investing emotionally on LOST characters only to have them die because new characters are introduced.

The show is established enough. There are plenty of stories to be told about the esblished characters. As I am writing this it is Wed. morning of Nov. 1. Tonight a character will die and I am upset. I know that Rodrigo was brought to the show to enlarge the Brazilian audience. LOST does not need to do that.

In fact, now that LOST is showing in Russia, are they going to introduce Russian actors to appease the Russian audience? Give me a break.

Now, I don't want to be a hypocrit. I do adore a new character who was introduced in S. 2: Henry/Ben/Benry. But that character was not supposed to have last longer than 3 episodes. It was Michael Emerson's acting ability that made Benry a permanent character. The audience loved him and he stayed. I have no problems with such addition. However, I hear rumors that Benry may die. Why kill off a good thing going? Maybe LOST is jumping the shark.

Also, LOST has established something that no other shows have done previously: They were not afraid of killing off main characters. However, do it enough, and you may lose your fan base.

That's just my not-so-humble opinion.

Nooo! Why did i read the spoiler font! And to think i was spoiler free till now. Dam it anyway.

I don't like either character so far, mainly just for the way that they entered our view. I really don't care to know much of their backstory, but I also don't want them killed off right away. It would seem even worse to me if these two characters were abruptly introduced and then abruptly killed off.

I think I heard a while back that Paulo was introduced to become a leader figure for the Losties now that Jack is away.

Desmond? Sayid? Locke? Eko? I'd put money on Rose formulating a plan to get their buddies back.

What do we need another leader for? Maybe keep Nikki if she can be less whiny, but we've got enough guys.

I'm tired of hearing their names!!!! Especially Paulo.

I think I heard a while back that Paulo was introduced to become a leader figure for the Losties now that Jack is away.

I really hope that's not true.

Also, on a different note, leaving Nikki alive to balance out the guy:girl ratio doesn't make sense to me, either. What's the point in doing that when they're not making good use (or in some cases, any use) of the women who are on the show anyway? (Claire, Danielle, Rose, this means you). At least Sun has a murder under her belt. :rolleyes:

Boy, I would hate to be the new kid at any school you people attended. I wouldn't have been given a chance. One glance and my character is assessed and I am on the outs, no chance to prove myself.

Maybe I'm a bit slow but I generally take more than 60-90 seconds of exposure to decided if I like a person or not. I guess I'm strange that way.

Wanting them gone because your fav may not get more screen time is shallow and doesn't show an interest in the possible story development. Judging them on what little we have seen is to forget how wrong in assumptions many were about the original Losties.

I'm sure if, in time they do not fit they will be bear food soon enough.

For those that don't like investing emotions in characters that get killed off, you may be watching the wrong show. We have been told from the beginning that if it serves the story, people will die and that no one is safe. It has happened and will again. I don't like it but I understand why they do it and I enjoy the show enough to deal with it.

I can live with a couple of new characters since we just lost 6 main ones last season. They aren't really adding more characters, just replacing some of the dead ones.

We (well, most likely just me) mainly don't like them as nikki's only parts so far involved whining, and paulo being arrogant. Besides they dont seem right to me, no amount of blending in or time will make me like them. They are just so..annoying to me.

They don't have to die. I just want Narki and Pyro to fade back into the shadow of redshirtland from whence they came.

Boy, I would hate to be the new kid at any school you people attended. I wouldn't have been given a chance. One glance and my character is assessed and I am on the outs, no chance to prove myself.

Maybe I'm a bit slow but I generally take more than 60-90 seconds of exposure to decided if I like a person or not. I guess I'm strange that way.

:)

Maybe I'm the strange one, but the way I size up fictitious characters on a television show doesn't equate to how I treat people in real life.

We may need these two for " island sacrifices":biggrin: later....better them then people we want to stay.

I'm reserving judgment until I see more of their scenes. However, what I've seen so far has not impressed me.:rolleyes:

:)

Maybe I'm the strange one, but the way I size up fictitious characters on a television show doesn't equate to how I treat people in real life.

That's a refief. But I wasn't talking about how people are treated but rather how people make snap judgements, which is what folks are doing here and, I suspect, do in real life as well. We are all guilty of that but some try to overcome it and give new people a chance.

I also don't see most folks sitting back and thinking "well, they aren't real so I can make a snap judgement but tomorrow when the new guy comes to work, I'll hold back until I know more about him." I've worked with groups of 75 or more and they go with their first impression just about everytime.

And as I said, we should remember how wrong we were about some of the Losties at the beginning. Jin being the one most misread.

Actually I would say Sun was the most misread.

The point is it doesn't matter if they are 'nice' characters or not. What we are saying here is that the addition of these two characters is not wanted.

And I'm a pretty open minded person in real life..I give people a second chance...sometimes even two or three chances. :D

What if they add some insight to the plot? Who cares if they're annoying. So was Shannon at first. Nothing's going on at the camp anyway except Locke and Desmond being all crazy. I'd rather see what they have to offer than watch Claire stare at her baby all day without anything happening.

Ha I voted give them more time because frankly I didn't even know their names were Paulo and Nikki until i read it on this board. :)

I'd rather see what they have to offer than watch Claire stare at her baby all day without anything happening.

Paulo can offer his five iron. :)
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The point is it doesn't matter if they are 'nice' characters or not. What we are saying here is that the addition of these two characters is not wanted.


Exactly. Not only not wanted, but not needed. Such a huge cast of Losties as it is, but they need to bring in MORE Losties in order to further develop the plot? No. Heck, you could spin a whole web of tales from Danielle ('Ultimate Lostie', as I like to think of her) alone.

(maybe even on-island flashbacks of their own treks into the jungle? Who knows what they found?)


This could be very interesting, if done correctly. Seriously, are we to accept that none of the other survivors have been curious about what's going on on the island and that they haven't been checking things out? On the other hand, this would prove to be "revisionist history" by TPTB, especially if P and N's treks into the jungle revealed something crucial to the plot.

So, I voted that we need to give 'em more time.

Hippity Hop Hippity Hop Hippy Hop Paulo and Nikki Hippity Hop...........

You people are Pikki, Pikki, Pikki...;)

My take on the P&N situation is this: If they weren't important enough as characters to be introduced in the first 2.5 seasons, why are they so important now? What are they really offering? It would've been ok if we would've been even casually introduced to them in the previous couple of episodes; like, "Hey Nikki, can you hand me that bottle of water?" Then at least we would've seen one or both of them beforehand.

The way it is now, they've (according to the story), been in the background for 70 days and haven't been important enough for so much as ONE LINE! And now they're being portrayed as semi-key members of the group, with Nikki's opinion on when and what Hurley should tell people and Paolo with his obvious distaste for Desmond.

And the person with the work analogy: If I had a new coworker start and the first time I'd ever seen him/her she was giving me the attitude that P&N have been throwing around, I would NOT like them, and I think with good reason.

Anyone that voted for them to be killed off are really being a bit over reacting.
They've been in what 2 episodes?
Chill and give them time.
Instead of moaning about EVERY SINGLE BIT just watch it and have a good time:)

Hippity Hop Hippity Hop Hippy Hop Paulo and Nikki Hippity Hop...........

:rotflmao2: c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, do that thing you do......

Boom! :blowup:

You people are Pikki, Pikki, Pikki...
Perfect nickname for them, hiccup! Everyone here in agreeance?

Thanks for this thread! I can always come here when I either need a good laugh, or a good vent! :thumbup:

Kill 'em! Why not?

I have to jump back in here with more of my reasoning for wanting the both of them gone. My major problem with N&P is that they have never ever, ever, ever been seen before now!!! Come on guys, I'm not a sheep and I'm not going to accept that these extra good looking people have been there the whole time, and never have we even seen them in the background/backstory or anything. If TPTB want to bring redshirts to the field, at least respect the hardcore fans enough to bring in people we can screencap and say yeah they were on the beach when Desmond came back! Or something on those lines, it's been 70 days and never once have they been seen, PLEASE! And I know people compare this to The tail section people, Benry, and the Artz situation, but those were totally different. We all knew that the tail of the plane broke off from the beginning of the show, so it was not a foreign idea that there were people in that section that could have survived. Benry was believed to be an Other and also clearly stated that he crashed in a ballon and was not on the plane, which makes it understandable that we had not seen him before. Artz came in at the end of season one, which was much closer to the time of the plane crash, he also served an instant purpose with his knowledge of explosives. So in my opinion these introductions were totally different from N&P. Moving on we already have established characters that are not being properly resolved and killed off the show, i.e. AL, Libby, Micheal and Walt sail off with no answers/resolution. Plus Claire, Rose, Bernard, Desmond, etc already don't get enough screentime. Only to make room for people that we don't care about, and that are not going to be properly resolved either. So why bother??? Just to bring in another demographic, that's stupid. And what about the forgotten?? The taken people, Rose & Bernard, Danielle,etc?? I guess they don't matter anymore :frown:, because they are not the right demographic and are not cute enough. TPTB should try to tie-up loose ends first, and maybe we would give these people a real chance. Shouldn't you drink your beverage first before you get a refill, otherwise your cup just runs over.

P.S. I'm a flight attendant, and I work with and meet new people on every flight I work. And I don't prejudge people, co-workers, passengers, etc. I give myself time to get to know anyone that will allow me too. But this situation with Nikki and Paulo is ridiculous and just doesn't make common sense.

I voted for the 'kill 'em off' option. Why? Too few of my favorite characters get any face time without adding to the mix. I'd rather the precious non-flashback moments focus on the characters I've grown to enjoy...

I voted for give them more time and stop prejudjing them. For gosh sakes people! Theyve had like, 30 total seconds of screentime so far! let the characters be for now!

I think we have a new Ship!

Paolo + Nikki = Pikki

Full credit should go to Hiccup!

I definetly think we should keep them on the show. But if they do stay, they need more DIALOGUE and at least one flashback. The writers should NOT kill Paulo and Nikki because then it would be just like season 2 with Ana-Lucia and Libby.

I definetly think we should keep them on the show. But if they do stay, they need more DIALOGUE and at least one flashback. The writers should NOT kill Paulo and Nikki because then it would be just like season 2 with Ana-Lucia and Libby.

That's the point, it's going to be like AL and Libby regardless of how much dialogue the writers give them. And that's why people don't want a flashback or anything for them because TPTB now have a history of dropping characters and storylines like this. So it makes no sense to add people who their only going to drop.

It's not about "judging" them - there is just no reason, room or time for them. Show more of the characters we've already grown to know and love. They're already introducing all the "Others" this season... that's enough. With Desmond, Ben, Juliette, etc., we don't need anyone else.

Where are Rose & Bernard?
Where is Cindy?
Where are the children?
Where's Kate's black horse?

Why was Libbie in the psych ward???

:confused:

Ok I gave them time and guess what .they should protest their lines. Good gravy......could they have had something intelligent to say?

It might have been less abrupt if one of the other main characters had sought out the help of the new ones, to gently bring them into the series..

instead of "WHAT?! WHEN WERE YOU PLANNING ON TELLING US, **HURLEY**?!