Coleen tells Ben that "the iraqui" has found the decoy village, and Ben replies "Good, that was what we wanted."

Why?

The idea of a decoy is exactly the opposite: to never reveal its nature, to always pretend to be something that is not. By revealing this, they create a new problem: the survivors will want to keep looking for the real settlement.

So lets shift away from the whole boat controversy, and focus our attention on the "decoy village".

We always thought that the Others wanted to keep this lie (the decoy village) alive.
We even were happy when Kate found the costumes in a locker.

It seems to me that there was a more sophisticated plan attached to the decoy village, maybe connected with Michael and his son.

But the decoy only had to work long enough to lure the overconfident Lostaways to their "war," right? Once they discovered the subterfuge, they would have no idea what to do next or where to do it, and would be isolated and in a very vulnerable position. Seems to me that's exactly what happened.

It seems to me that there was a more sophisticated plan attached to the decoy village, maybe connected with Michael and his son.

That is possible, but if they were trying to fool Michael and Walt, they didn't do a very good job because Walt said to Micheal "They're not who they say they are." So Walt evidently knows that they aren't living in tents and walking around barefoot, and then Michael knows something's up.

But the decoy only had to work long enough to lure the overconfident Lostaways to their "war," right? Once they discovered the subterfuge, they would have no idea what to do next or where to do it, and would be isolated and in a very vulnerable position. Seems to me that's exactly what happened.
Agreed... They needed to accomplish 2 things-- 1) Make Michael think the Losties had it better then the Others as he would bring them back thinking they had the upper hand, and 2) Make people think they were long gone so they wouldn't have to share their happy little subdivision (are the desprate housewives invited the the book club too??) :biggrin:

actually did sayid realise it was a fake village or did he think it was abandoned?

Sayid knew it was fake. After he opened the doors to the fake hatch, you can see it in his eyes. Plus with his military background I think he can put everything together and know what's going on. He's no dummy.

that was my impression as well, but now that I think about it I don't think he ever actually said anything out loud to anyone about whether it was fake or not.

Ben might have wanted Sayid to find the decoy village to let Sayid know that the others are intelligent. Once Sayid finds the decoy village, he is left with nothing solid to trust about the others. Now that the village is known to be fake, there is no way for Sayid to know what exactly is real and what is a set-up. This makes the others just as mysterious to the lostaways as they have always been which could take away Sayid's feeling of being in control.

Of course Sayid always has ideas and he tried to regain control with that ambush.. but that didn't turn out very well. I think overall Ben would have been pleased with the outcome of Sayid finding the village. Just a thought.. cuz really who knows :confused:

I dont think that ben thought it would have mattered if he found it or not, as long as they werent there when he found it (even though they would be able to capture him easily)

I don't know where Michael is going, or if they actually sent him home, or if that's even Walt (or the real Vincent) in the boat with him.
But I do know that Michael still thinks that is what the Others were like. He is now off the island, with a boat. If for some reason there was a chance he'd be saved, that is how he'd remember the Others.

Then again, he was with Walt, and if its the real Walt he'll obviously tell his dad what he saw (http://www.thetailsection.com/gallery/displayimage-25-12.html).

Sigh...perhaps the decoy village is what they use every time they encounter someone new. And to reply to the first post - I think Ben expected to be OUT of the Decoy Village long before any of the other Lostaways showed up. And if they did catch their trail - they'd find a ghost town.

Claire and Danielle know about the fake beard and medical station. Hopefully they'll combine knowledge with Sayid if we aren't supposed to have "implied" they already have:grin: Sayid will definitely be skeptical about the fact that it's abandoned...

ETA: I'm watching Live Together, Die Alone right now, and Sayid finds the DV BEFORE the Mike&Lostaways even hit the bridge.

Agreed... They needed to accomplish 2 things-- 1) Make Michael think the Losties had it better then the Others as he would bring them back thinking they had the upper hand, and 2) Make people think they were long gone so they wouldn't have to share their happy little subdivision (are the desprate housewives invited the the book club too??) :biggrin:

Michael didn't really care if the others where living in tents or not. He didn't care if the camp was fake. He only cared about saving his son. If Michael thought that the others had it worse than the losties didn't matter, since he lied to the losties anyway and took them somewhere else. The fact that Sayid followed them with the boat was oblivious to him.

But... maybe the Others did this as a backup plan. They wanted to make sure that in case Michael didn't do as he was told (besides, the ultimate deceiver Ben was not with them) and actually asked for the losties help, that they wouldn't be able to find them.

Question: Maybe this has already been asked but how did they know that the "iraqi" was following the losties from the see and that he found the fake camp? Cameras?

Michael didn't really care if the others where living in tents or not. He didn't care if the camp was fake. He only cared about saving his son. If Michael thought that the others had it worse than the losties didn't matter, since he lied to the losties anyway and took them somewhere else. The fact that Sayid followed them with the boat was oblivious to him.

I'm curious to know if the original plan was for Michael to bring the Losties to ambush site, or if there was a change of plans at some point.

Question: Maybe this has already been asked but how did they know that the "iraqi" was following the losties from the see and that he found the fake camp? Cameras?

Colleen said Brian radioed in and told them.

thanks:)

How did Brian know

But the decoy only had to work long enough to lure the overconfident Lostaways to their "war," right? Once they discovered the subterfuge, they would have no idea what to do next or where to do it, and would be isolated and in a very vulnerable position. Seems to me that's exactly what happened.

I agree completely and I think that's all there is to it.

That is possible, but if they were trying to fool Michael and Walt, they didn't do a very good job because Walt said to Micheal "They're not who they say they are." So Walt evidently knows that they aren't living in tents and walking around barefoot, and then Michael knows something's up.

"They're not who theys ay there are" has nothing to do with where they live. Yes Walt knows that the village is fake... he'd have to because they were doing experiments (or tests) on him and there's not mmuch room to do that at their fake village. But, they took him away before he could tell Michael too much.

How did Brian know

We don't know for sure yet, how brain knew. There's many possibilities from simply being on the ground and spying on the village with a radio in his hand, to using some sort of observational technology.

We don't know for sure yet, how brain knew. There's many possibilities from simply being on the ground and spying on the village with a radio in his hand, to using some sort of observational technology.

Do we even know who Brian is? I don't think we do. Maybe Brian is the infamous mole in the Losties' camp. :devil2:

Do we even know who Brian is? I don't think we do. Maybe Brian is the infamous mole in the Losties' camp. :devil2:


Hmmmmmmm ... whatever happened to Walt's adoptive father, Brian? :rolleyes:

Do we even know who Brian is? I don't think we do. Maybe Brian is the infamous mole in the Losties' camp. :devil2:

This is true, we don't know anyone on the island named Brian. There is the guy who radios in and talk to pickett, so that could be brian, but you're right it could be the beach mole!!! Speaking of which I have to watch 'the mole' reality series.