But if you shoot me Sun--that's exactly what we will become...." that is what Colleen says about the others if Sun were to shoot her.

My question is---Ethan got shot 6 times and died---the others did not become the "enemies"
-Ana Lucia stabbed Goodwin in the chest and killed him---Still not the "enemies"
-Ben was tortured---Yet still no "enemies"


so wtf makes colleen so important?

My impressions was that she wasn't referring to the Losties as a whole group, she was referring to Sun as an individual. She thought Sun was a good person and couldn't kill, but if she did kill Colleen the others would no longert see her as good and thus was fair game to be mistreated.

I agree, the statement was probably directed specifically toward Sun. The others may have been enemies to Ana Lucia and Charlie, but they still considered Sun a good person (maybe she was on the good list, if there is something like that). But if Sun shoots one of the others it will show that they misinterpreted her and her qualities will change.

We have to assume that the others know just as much about Sun as they do Jack. If that's the case, they know she cheated on Jin. So then, how can the Others consider her to be good?

We have to assume that the others know just as much about Sun as they do Jack. If that's the case, they know she cheated on Jin. So then, how can the Others consider her to be good?
1. As a well known surgeon performing high profile operations, Jack might be a fairly public figure. Sun as the pampered daughter of a rich man may or may not be a public figure. Plus Jack like the Others is part of an English speaking society & thus easier for the English fluent Others to research unless we assume they also have Korean speaking members. Besides since they needed Jack for Ben's operation they may have done more research on him than on the rest of his group. I don't see why we have to assume they know as much about Sun or Jin or anyone else as they do about Jack.
2. We do not know she cheated on Jin, she backed out of having sex and then her father caught her at the hotel, so we have seen her consider cheating but we have not seen her cheat (at least physically). Assuming the Others know about her personal sex is a big reach.
3. How could the Others consider her a good person? Incomplete knowledge is one way. Having their own definition of what a "Good Person" is, is another way (Hey Goodman & Ethan appently qualified as good in their eyes. Or gasp, she may actually be a good person despite her flaws & mistakes is a third possibility.

I agree the statement was directed towards Sun, but your post made me laugh dr do right:biggrin:
I also think Sun shot because she thought Jin was already dead.

I think that Colleen knew that her husband has one heck of a temper and that if anything happened to her, there would be hell to pay.

I know this is silly and they've used the same names for very different people on the show before (example Tom Mr. Friendly and Tom, Kate's ex-boyfriend) but I can't get it out of my head that Ana-Lucia's ex-boyfriend's (fiance?) name was Danny like Danny Pickett.

We have to assume that the others know just as much about Sun as they do Jack. If that's the case, they know she cheated on Jin. So then, how can the Others consider her to be good?

Depending what level of omnicience one ascribes to the Others, they'd know: that Sun was in love with Jae before she met Jin and was dissapointed in her expectations of a romance with him (Mr Lee was seeing an American woman remember?), picked Jin up on the rebound, watched him turn (under the tutorage of Mr Paik) from sweet and supportive to 'traditional' husband, and felt immediately prior to the deperture of Flight 815 that to flee family and country was her only escape from a marriage that was crushing her soul.

They'd also see she chose* - at the eleventh hour - to remain with Jin.

You make an interesting point Lostnthesoutheast - Sun's husband has also acted in violence; but reluctantly. I wonder if Danny is ever regretful or resents his 'masters' bidding.

Jin was ordered to kill a man; but beat the crap outta him instead. Danny was - presumably - under orders NOT to harm the prisoners (shooting them if they attempted escape aside lol ); but beat the crap outta one of them anyway.

But I didn't stop by to compare Danny to Jin... he's clearly much like Jack in his desire to heap retribution on the wrongdoer. As he sees them. ;)

~ *Whoa! 'chose' has a definition in Law meaning: an item of personal property; a chattle. How weird is that? ~

I know this is silly and they've used the same names for very different people on the show before (example Tom Mr. Friendly and Tom, Kate's ex-boyfriend) but I can't get it out of my head that Ana-Lucia's ex-boyfriend's (fiance?) name was Danny like Danny Pickett.


yea Danny was Ana-Lucia's ex-boyfriend...hmmmm..could it be danny pickett?

My impressions was that she wasn't referring to the Losties as a whole group, she was referring to Sun as an individual. She thought Sun was a good person and couldn't kill, but if she did kill Colleen the others would no longert see her as good and thus was fair game to be mistreated.

I agree with this but i also think that the possibility that she was just messing with Sun (as the others mess frequently with everybody) is high too. Pickett is as much of the (THE LOSTIES vs THE OTHERS) mentality as most of the losties are, so since Colleen is his wife there is a high possibility that she is too.

That's possible, I've always wondered though, how does what essentially boils down to threatening Sun, make her want to put her gun down. What Colleen said was freaky and made things more tense.