Charlie flips the switch, and Claire and Aaron get on a helicopter.


Ok, when this actually happens has yet to be specified. Can we assume that Claire and Aaron do get on the helicopter based on Desmond's ability to predict the future? I think this could be solid evidence of two more who get to leave the island. If not, Desmond's flashes would no longer be true, either that or something is "off" based on what The Old Woman in the Clockshop.

Thoughts anybody?:confused:

Well it could be true, but we don't know when Desmond's flashes are supposed to occur. It looks like his flash could come true here, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't.

i'm not sure, but this reminds me that i wish i could remember if desmond actually sees claire leave safely on the helicopter or if he just sees her get on the helicopter -- not that i want visions of claire being pushed into the ocean -- but maybe she gets on the helicopter but is not rescued, per se.

Claire and Aaron could get on a helicopter and fly away... only to land on the other island where the others had their HQ. Desmond's vision stands true but they don't get to leave... He only saw them board the heli, not arrive safely back home in Australia.

-Edit: Elin beat me to the punch..

Here is my theory, the's on the 2nd run! The pilot says he will take Naomi's body on the next run, assuming there will be more than one. I don't know exactly HOW it happens, but I believe Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sun and Jin (All of Jacks mainstays) will get on the plane. How Hurley gets there is beyond my knowing. But they make the first trip. On the second Trip Claire gets into the Helicopter with a handful of other survivors but for some reason the copter can't leave. Electromagnatism, Locke Shoots it down, Out of Gas, whatever the reason, they cannot make another trip, leaving EVERYONE but the 6 on the island! neo

Here is my theory, the's on the 2nd run! The pilot says he will take Naomi's body on the next run, assuming there will be more than one. I don't know exactly HOW it happens...

Sayid can fly the helicopter. He said everything on the hhelicopter was in working order. How would he know that if he couldn't pilot a plane?

Sayid can fly the helicopter. He said everything on the hhelicopter was in working order. How would he know that if he couldn't pilot a plane?


I don't recall anyone ever saying that Sayid can't fly a plane....but he is the resident bad@$$ on the island, so this seems logical. The dude knows about fixing radios, walkie-talkies, and satellite phones he's never seen before. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on it.


Granted Desmond just saw Claire get on the 'copter, but if she doesn't is there something "off?" The space-time continuum per se?

Anybody who wants to can get on that helicopter, ain't nobody getting off the island on that thing. Based on Desmonds track record, Claire will definately get on the chopper, unless Desmond does something to stop it. But I really, truly believe that no one is getting out on the helicopter (at least not this season.)

When Sayid said "Second run"...I don't know. It made me think there's only going to be one run.

This could be the start of the whole "We have to go back" dilemma. Who gets left behind.....


*On a side note, I need to work on my montage set to Slipknot's "Left Behind"

I'm thinking before anyone goes any where, the two groups of losties meet up again.
I'm guessing the women and children first theroy gets put in to play and Claire and Arron get on the chopper first.

I was thinking about this alot as well...In response to why Hurley & Jack? Maybe Hurley gets hurt...that would most likely result in Jack needing to go along for medical support.

I'm also thinking Claire & Aaron are on there as well, along with Kate & the Hippie flying the chopper.

Kate is in hiding, so she's not part of the O6. Michael & Walt, who made it to the ship back in season 2 round out the remaining two.

I was thinking about this alot as well...In response to why Hurley & Jack? Maybe Hurley gets hurt...that would most likely result in Jack needing to go along for medical support.

I'm also thinking Claire & Aaron are on there as well, along with Kate & the Hippie flying the chopper.

Kate is in hiding, so she's not part of the O6. Michael & Walt, who made it to the ship back in season 2 round out the remaining two.


But don't we already know that Kate makes it off the island? And thus is one of the Oceanic 6?

We know she gets off the island...but there's obviously something going on...why meet at the end of a runway (their "spot"?). Why the secrecy? Why does Jack promise to never contact her? It's well known about Kate's legal problems, and I doubt that just because she survived a plane wreck, the federal government would just pardon her.

I thought it to be highly likely that she got off the island, but hid herself...maybe created a new identity...that kind of thing...

We know she gets off the island...but there's obviously something going on...why meet at the end of a runway (their "spot"?). Why the secrecy? Why does Jack promise to never contact her? It's well known about Kate's legal problems, and I doubt that just because she survived a plane wreck, the federal government would just pardon her.

I thought it to be highly likely that she got off the island, but hid herself...maybe created a new identity...that kind of thing...

If someone found out that she got off the island, I think it would be highly likely that they (whoever they would be) would pardon her IF she kept her mouth shut. So, while I now see the possibility that she's not one of the O6, I think she still could be.

Also, I agree that Claire and Aaron will definitely get on a helicopter. Just don't assume more than that. But seriously, if the Losties have any choice about it, don't you think they would put Claire and Aaron on there first? Then probably Sun... but there would be room for only one more, if Kate is included in the six. Really hope Sun and Jin don't get separated with Jin left on the island...

Desmond didnt just say she would get in the helicopter

He said she that she gets in, and it lifts off and leaves this Island. . I remember specifically because I checked when someone asked a while back.

that reminds me, where the hell was Desmond in this episode?

beema-good point! He was with the Jack group when we last saw him in Ep 4.1, but conspicuously absent this second ep. I guess we are supposed to think he is back with the rest of Jack's redshirts, because only Sayid and Juliet took the guns and looked for Jack and Kate. Just like Lost, no one tells anybody anything on that island. Or like Boone said, he's "helping himself", and we'll see that in an upcoming episode.

Maybe she gets on the helicopter and goes to the freighter, where Ben's inside man starts mutiny, and is forced back to the island.

Right now our losties dont know who the man is so he could start it right under their noses, possibly even trick them into helping him.

It's well known about Kate's legal problems, and I doubt that just because she survived a plane wreck, the federal government would just pardon her.



Not our government.....:biggrin:

i'm not sure, but this reminds me that i wish i could remember if desmond actually sees claire leave safely on the helicopter or if he just sees her get on the helicopter -- not that i want visions of claire being pushed into the ocean -- but maybe she gets on the helicopter but is not rescued, per se.


His flash only showed them getting into the Helicopter. Lets just keep our fingers crossed that their Helicopter leaves the Island

Here is my theory, the's on the 2nd run! The pilot says he will take Naomi's body on the next run, assuming there will be more than one. I don't know exactly HOW it happens, but I believe Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sun and Jin (All of Jacks mainstays) will get on the plane. How Hurley gets there is beyond my knowing. But they make the first trip. On the second Trip Claire gets into the Helicopter with a handful of other survivors but for some reason the copter can't leave. Electromagnatism, Locke Shoots it down, Out of Gas, whatever the reason, they cannot make another trip, leaving EVERYONE but the 6 on the island! neo

Well Maybe they get Hurley on the 2nd run, but because hes rather large, it can only take him back alone. (I kidding)

His flash only showed them getting into the Helicopter. Lets just keep our fingers crossed that their Helicopter leaves the Island

But, is it this Helicopter - what if Desmond sees the Helicopter and its different to the one in his vision? O.o

We need more Desmond to find out stuff - did he foresee naimo's death? I dont remember him saying anything.

I was thinking about this alot as well...In response to why Hurley & Jack? Maybe Hurley gets hurt...that would most likely result in Jack needing to go along for medical support.

Oooh, I like this a lot. It would really make sense and provide a good reason for him to have gone instead of staying back in case anything happened to anyone in the meantime.

We can even take this idea one step further...and try to figure out why Hurley says to Jack, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry I went with Locke. I should have stayed with you."

Lets speculate that Hurley gets hurt, because of something that happens when he decided to follow Locke's crew. The lost crew are getting ready to get off the island on the helicopter...doing the "women and children first". But who should be coming over the hill, is Hurley with a gut shot, being assisted by Desmond & Locke...and he's hurt bad. Jack takes a look at him, and immediately says he has to leave now. Sun (who was supposed to be on the first flight) says, "Jack - take Hurley...it's ok...Jin and I will be on the next flight! go now!" So Kate, Claire & Aaron, Jack & Hurley, and the pilot (Sayid or the Hippie) take off for the Freighter.

Then, when they get to the freighter, it gets damaged or sabotaged by Ben's inside man...or the Hippie pilot gets shot...something along those lines. Either way, they can't make another trip back.

So because of that, Hurley would be living with the guilt, that had he NOT followed Locke & stayed with Jacks crew, he would never have been shot/injured. The individual/s who he replaced in the chopper, would have been rescued instead of him. AND he would most likely still be on the island. Seems like that would be a lot for someone to bear...especially in hindsight, if you feel like you were never supposed to leave...

We can even take this idea one step further...and try to figure out why Hurley says to Jack, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry I went with Locke. I should have stayed with you."

Lets speculate that Hurley gets hurt, because of something that happens when he decided to follow Locke's crew. The lost crew are getting ready to get off the island on the helicopter...doing the "women and children first". But who should be coming over the hill, is Hurley with a gut shot, being assisted by Desmond & Locke...and he's hurt bad. Jack takes a look at him, and immediately says he has to leave now. Sun (who was supposed to be on the first flight) says, "Jack - take Hurley...it's ok...Jin and I will be on the next flight! go now!" So Kate, Claire & Aaron, Jack & Hurley, and the pilot (Sayid or the Hippie) take off for the Freighter.

Then, when they get to the freighter, it gets damaged or sabotaged by Ben's inside man...or the Hippie pilot gets shot...something along those lines. Either way, they can't make another trip back.

So because of that, Hurley would be living with the guilt, that had he NOT followed Locke & stayed with Jacks crew, he would never have been shot/injured. The individual/s who he replaced in the chopper, would have been rescued instead of him. AND he would most likely still be on the island. Seems like that would be a lot for someone to bear...especially in hindsight, if you feel like you were never supposed to leave...


Almost as though his curse started all over again by him keeping people from getting off the island....at least that may be how Hurley sees things in his mind.

Des' visions of Charlie changed daily, every time he didn't die. Who's to say that something happens to prevent Claire from getting on the helicopter and then he gets a vision of her doing something else. I don't think she's getting on that helicopter because we think she's supposed to.
And yes, we need more Des in the episodes! I got a fever and the only perscription is more Des! There was plenty of cowbell in that last one.

Des' visions of Charlie changed daily, every time he didn't die. Who's to say that something happens to prevent Claire from getting on the helicopter and then he gets a vision of her doing something else. I don't think she's getting on that helicopter because we think she's supposed to.
And yes, we need more Des in the episodes! I got a fever and the only perscription is more Des! There was plenty of cowbell in that last one.


LOL!!! Hey relax guys, I put on my pants one leg at a time just like you. Only when I put my pants on, I make gold records.

And literally cowbell in the last eppy with the cow popping up on the edge of the cliff...

Well it could be true, but we don't know when Desmond's flashes are supposed to occur. It looks like his flash could come true here, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't.That's what I think, too. Des didn't know what helicopter would rescue them. Most likely it'll be when Jack and Co. make it back to the island (which I think they will eventually). I think it's just too predictable for Claire and Aaron to be rescued this time around.

LOL!!! Hey relax guys, I put on my pants one leg at a time just like you. Only when I put my pants on, I make gold records.

And literally cowbell in the last eppy with the cow popping up on the edge of the cliff...

More cowbell than Des and that's just wrong. I have to say though, Frank's "I saw a cow" was my favorite line of the night.