Miles telling Kate about what he knew about her, his statement that she had done, "a bunch of other stuff I can't remember" made me wonder, how much do the four team members actually know about the losties? Miles indicated they had files on all of them. But it seemed like he hadn't had time to sit down and read whatever files the freighter groups organization in the real world may have gathered. As if he had time to read only the quick facts about Kate. So do the freightastic four only know the basic facts about each person, for instance, Hugo Reyes, lottery winner, former mental patient but not what he suffered from. Maybe there was a big rush to get the four team members to the island after Jack made the call and they didn't have the time to be fully debriefed. Of course Miles could have been lying to Kate, her arrest in Australia would have been big news and he could have remembered her from the news coverage of her arrest. I find this highly unlikely because sometimes when things are presented on this show they are straight forward.

You know how many people were on that flight? They had no idea who survived let alone how many. I'm surprised he knew that much information about Kate, and would be even more impressed if he knew little tid bits on everyone. How much do you want one person to know about a flight of over 200?

Well if they know that Locke was paralyzed, they aren't expressing much surprise that he isn't paralyzed now. There's food for thought.
As far as people in the news goes. How many people actually remember the names weeks later, unless it was really saturated in the news. Just recently where I live, a cold case was solved and a man was arrested on murder. I couldn't tell you his name now to save my life. How big would Kate's story really be? Maybe a day or two in the paper, and then they move onto the next thing, and you might be lucky to find mention of it on page 5A sometime later.

You know how many people were on that flight? They had no idea who survived let alone how many. I'm surprised he knew that much information about Kate, and would be even more impressed if he knew little tid bits on everyone. How much do you want one person to know about a flight of over 200?
That's why I said maybe the team had only been given the bullet facts of the 300+ people on the flight because they weren't certain who survived and if memory serves me correct Jack said "I'm one of the survivors of Oceanic 815" he didn't give an indication of how many there were. So perhaps the four team members only memorized the basic stats. For instance they might know Jack Sheapard spinal surgeon, but not where he worked. I got the impression from the brief scene in he helicopter that the team was rushed to get to the island so they didn't have time to memorize all the facts, so they might know some facts about some of the survivors but nothing about others.

Well if they know that Locke was paralyzed, they aren't expressing much surprise that he isn't paralyzed now. There's food for thought.

I don't think they know because the Losties aren't their main objective. They probably do have little bullet facts, but Locke being paralyzed I don't see why they would make a conscience effort to remember that. That would be like them knowing Sun secretely spoke English, or Charlie was a 2nd tier rock star. They are there for Ben, not a Q and A with Locke, No one on his own flight knows and they were with him, why would strangers?

Who says that everyone on the team was given the same information? Frank only says that he memorized the manifest. Miles is the only one who has proven that he knows anything more than the passengers names. Daniel and Charlotte don't seem interersted in the people at all.

I've heard it said that the fact that Miles knows as much as he does suggests he may be Ben's spy on the boat.

Who says that everyone on the team was given the same information? Frank only says that he memorized the manifest. Miles is the only one who has proven that he knows anything more than the passengers names. Daniel and Charlotte don't seem interersted in the people at all.

I've heard it said that the fact that Miles knows as much as he does suggests he may be Ben's spy on the boat.

Perhaps they were all given different assignments, but with all their inexperience that might have proven to be difficult. As far as Miles I think he just a hustler. He knew if people were looking for Ben chances are he had money and he is trying to cash in. If he was the man on the boat why would he leave the boat doesn't serve the purpose.

Plus I think the smart money is on Michael being the spy.

I'm thinking that the freighties were genuinely surprised by the losties presence on the island, which is why they compiled files on them.

Maybe the freighties know about the losties that are thought to be dangerous? or anyone off the plane, for that matter?

Maybe the freighties know about the losties that are thought to be dangerous? or anyone off the plane, for that matter?
Anyone on the island, lostie or other is a threat to the freighties and is the way. Look at the lies and evasions they've told already.
100%
Maybe the freighties know about the losties that are thought to be dangerous? or anyone off the plane, for that matter?
Dangerous in that anyone on the island, lostie or other is a threat to the freighties plans. Look at the small lies and evasions they've told already.

Im guessing they know what they need to know.
Maybe not to the extent like Patchy/Others and the Flame though.

Im guessing they know what they need to know.
Maybe not to the extent like Patchy/Others and the Flame though.
Are you saying that the freightastic four were only given the basics on the losties or that the team members have been lied to about their organization's true mission, because that's kind of what I thought. I don't think the four on the island had the time to sit down and study extensive files on the losties like many of the others seemed to have done.

I think Kate was probably an exception because she was a fugitive.

"Hey, if you do encounter these survivors, it's possible one of them is this dangerous fugitive chick who has committed murder and robbery."

Are you saying that the freightastic four were only given the basics on the losties or that the team members have been lied to about their organization's true mission, because that's kind of what I thought. I don't think the four on the island had the time to sit down and study extensive files on the losties like many of the others seemed to have done.

Sorta both..
I think they know enough about the people on the flight. Basic's, background.. (Naomi/Miles), Frank knows the manifest.. and Danny/Charly basically in the blank.

I also think that each team member, only knows what they need to know to do their job. Even the team leader was apparently being manipulated.

The freightastic four are an interesting bunch to watch.

I think Kate was probably an exception because she was a fugitive.

"Hey, if you do encounter these survivors, it's possible one of them is this dangerous fugitive chick who has committed murder and robbery."
I could see that, it's just they probably told them about the other survivors, like, "Hey, one of them is a con man who killed a man in Australia." I got the feeling that maybe the freighter was still in the process of collecting files on the losties and the team was given what they had very quickly.

Remember that Miles knew about Kate since they got her name from the satphone contact she had earlier made (as Naomi died). The details of anyone known to be alive were probably given to the team ... which basically means they know about Jack and Kate and that's it.

I'll bet that 'upper management' back on the boat have all the details to hand. The Freighties seem to be hired 'mercenaries' and probably know little more than what was deemed necessary for them to be told to complete their mission.

Frank has memorised the flight manifest but that is probably because he seems to have been obsessive about the flight, so he'd done that on his own initiative.

Frank has memorised the flight manifest but that is probably because he seems to have been obsessive about the flight, so he'd done that on his own initiative.

I am getting a couple of interesting thoughts while reading this thread.

1) Frank's knowledge of the flight manifest. I do no agree that he memorized it because he was obsessed with the crash. But I do find it interesting that he had it memorized. I think this is a clue.

2) the Freighties having files on everyone. Not only do I believe they have files on the 815er and the others, I believe that they have files on the 4 "freighty" team members. Remember that the dude who put the team together presented Naomi with pictures on the members, and she sounded like she had read a file on each one. Put that together with the fact that Ben rattled off that info on Charlotte like he was reading right out of her file. I think this is a huge clue

Another thing I would lie to point out. I do not think Charlotte is in the blank about the 815ers. We have to remember that she is a cultural anthropologist, so she is there to study them and their behaviors- not interfere with them. She is trying to appear compassionate towards them so she can be accepted by the group. This is a big clue as well.

I could see that, it's just they probably told them about the other survivors, like, "Hey, one of them is a con man who killed a man in Australia." I got the feeling that maybe the freighter was still in the process of collecting files on the losties and the team was given what they had very quickly.I doubt anyone knows about Sawyer killing that guy. It happened out in the middle of nowhere and if he left Australia the next day, it would be almost impossible to connect him.

I got the impression that the freighties know everything about the surviving losties. I think that they had the list of people on the island for some time and have all done a lot of research. They must have received the list from Ben \ Patchy or some other way from the others.

Remember, Miles only had a couple of seconds to explain to Kate how much he knew. I think he told her enough that he could think of so that she understood that they knew everything. Miles also said to Ben something like..."Don't treat me like one of them" As if it was understood he and Ben were on a level playing field way above the losties.

Abaddon knew there were survivors on that island. Naomi knew that the plane had crashed there. But everything comes down to what they are really inteersted in...
It seems that they don't care about the losties. So the information they might have about them is superficial, like the one Miles gave to Kate. No reason to run a full backgournd check if they are not your primary objecitve.

Anyways, Miles' line 'Do not treat me like I am one of THEM' seems to suggest that Miles was kind in the know about the situation between The Others and The Losties...Weird...

I doubt anyone knows about Sawyer killing that guy. It happened out in the middle of nowhere and if he left Australia the next day, it would be almost impossible to connect him.


However, somehow Ben and/or Richard knew about this. When they brought it up to Sawyer, I thought, how could anyone possibly know, but somehow they knew.

However, somehow Ben and/or Richard knew about this. When they brought it up to Sawyer, I thought, how could anyone possibly know, but somehow they knew.
I'm talking about the freighter people. Ben used some supernatural means.

I do not think Charlotte is in the blank about the 815ers. We have to remember that she is a cultural anthropologist, so she is there to study them and their behaviors- not interfere with them. She is trying to appear compassionate towards them so she can be accepted by the group. This is a big clue as well.

Wow, that's really cool. Until now I had assumed that, as an anthropologist she was there only to study Dharma, but now you've given it a nice spin for me...wouldn't it be cool, if indeed it was 2008 or 2010 in the FF, if she was there to study the crash survivors who made their own society on an island in a time bubble for a time (4 years). That would mean of course that the world had accepted the fact that such a time anomoly had happened, and that she (they) could get back there, but its cool to think about anyways.

I think they know pretty much all there is to know.

Anyways, Miles' line 'Do not treat me like I am one of THEM' seems to suggest that Miles was kind in the know about the situation between The Others and The Losties...Weird...[/quote]
I think the do not teat me like I'm one of them line shows Miles arrogance and displays the condescending attitude toward the losties, they consider them beneath them because they don't know as much about the island as the freighties appear to, but Miles doesn't know that 2-3 days before the losties wiped out thirteen of the others and destroyed their society. So once again the losties are being underestimated by a technologically and numbers superior enemy. It worked out so well for the others.

Anyways, Miles' line 'Do not treat me like I am one of THEM' seems to suggest that Miles was kind in the know about the situation between The Others and The Losties...Weird...
I think the do not teat me like I'm one of them line shows Miles arrogance and displays the condescending attitude toward the losties, they consider them beneath them because they don't know as much about the island as the freighties appear to, but Miles doesn't know that 2-3 days before the losties wiped out thirteen of the others and destroyed their society. So once again the losties are being underestimated by a technologically and numbers superior enemy. It worked out so well for the others.[/quote]

I do think that the Losties have always been underestimated. The Others learned that the hard way. But the Other's society is far from being destroyed. We never learned how many they were exactly. Guestimates put the figure around 50. A couple of others killed here and there, plus 7 at the end of Season 3... I would say that there are more than a couple of dozen left, including the 'converted' tailies. They are all hidden at the Temple.
I'm sure they are gonna come into play sooner or later, most of all if a war is coming between outsiders and the island...

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I do think that the Losties have always been underestimated. The Others learned that the hard way. But the Other's society is far from being destroyed. We never learned how many they were exactly. Guestimates put the figure around 50. A couple of others killed here and there, plus 7 at the end of Season 3... I would say that there are more than a couple of dozen left, including the 'converted' tailies. They are all hidden at the Temple.
I'm sure they are gonna come into play sooner or later, most of all if a war is coming between outsiders and the island...[/quote]
What I meant was Pryce said that he took his ten best to the beach and they were all killed so it is possible that whatever army they have is destroyed and all of the others that died last season were Ben loyalists, so those that are left are going to be those that wanted a change, and even if they aren't they have to be questioning Ben's decision making process as they are now on the run and kicked out of their homes. I got the feeling from TTLG that the losties' victory over the others was possibly the first time they had been defeated. But I do think the battle will come down to everyone on the island vs. the freighter, not losties vs others, they're all in danger.
And on another track how the hell does Miles expect to get out of custody to "take care of" Charlotte he doesn't seem like a brilliant strategic planner. And even if he does escape, he doesn't seem to know the island well so how is going to find the beach camp. He looks more and more like a dog who's bark is worse than his bite.

It actually makes perfect sense. The freighter people know details on Losties because they only know the details on some of the survivors...Now, I thought that was because Ben told them about that a couple of months ago...or shall I say YEARS in real time...since then, their relationship has deteriorated and now they want to kill him because he screwed them over...A lot...What he did to them, we will find out by the end of this season, I hope.

Maybe the freighties know about the losties that are thought to be dangerous? or anyone off the plane, for that matter?

Why would they think they were dangerous? These people were in a plane crash a would be very happy to see them. This is before Naomi that they would have read the files so don't reference her death for their skepticism

Someone on the boat probably knows all the information about the losties like Ben, but these four arent seemed so concerned with it. They just care about the mission, whatever it is, and were probably left in the dark about the true nature of what happend there.
What Miles knew was probably from the conversation with Kate on the phone. I mean if you hear someone on the phone saying something you wanna verify it. So they looked up the manifest and found Kate, a criminal charged with blah blah..

Someone on the boat probably knows all the information about the losties like Ben, but these four arent seemed so concerned with it. They just care about the mission, whatever it is, and were probably left in the dark about the true nature of what happend there.
What Miles knew was probably from the conversation with Kate on the phone. I mean if you hear someone on the phone saying something you wanna verify it. So they looked up the manifest and found Kate, a criminal charged with blah blah..
I don't think it was the conversation Kate had, when Miles said you made the phone call, he was using the plural you, not the singular, as in your people. Jack said, "I'm a survivor of Oceanic Flight 815." So I think it was after that that the evil freighter began compiling dossiers on the survivors. My question is how complete they are, and how much time the freightastic four had to study them, which I don't think was a lot because there seemed to be a rush to get the helicopter to the island. The files might not be complete just brief summaries of the passengers. Kate Austen Fugitive, arson, murder, fraud. Hugo Reyes Mental Patient lottery winner. But maybe not enough to psychologically manipulate them as the others did.
As for those asking how the others knew that Sawyer killed a man in Australia, well cops are smart, they could have closed the case after the crash and those files would have been available.

Abaddon, told Naomi that there were no survivors of 815. Why would they study the flight manifest anyway?

Abaddon, told Naomi that there were no survivors of 815. Why would they study the flight manifest anyway?
My thinking is they didn't expect the losties, but when Jack went Moses and made the call they began to start compiling files on the passengers of flight 815.

Frank Lapidus didn't know anything about the "diplomat" Sayid - did he just learn the 324 names of that damn manifest by heart without further interest?

Frank Lapidus didn't know anything about the "diplomat" Sayid - did he just learn the 324 names of that damn manifest by heart without further interest?
It seems they needed to be able to identify survivors from 'natives' only by name. Curiously, Miles knew about Kate's past, but Frank didn't know what Sayid really was...

anyways, what I have always found the most intriguing is that Abaddon and Naomi KNEW that Flight 815 had crashed on the island. HOW?

1) They just suspected that because of the path was taking 815 close to the island/portal?

I'm not so sure about this because the crash was an accident. Of course, there's the alternate theory that states that the plane was supposed to land. But Abaddon was aware of the CRASH, so...

2) Somebody on the island communicated Abaddon or somebody else that Flight 815 had crashed.

This seems to be the most logical explanation. But who is this person?
Was it Ben? Was it a mole amongst the Others?
But if one of them informed Abaddon that 815 was on the island, he should already know that Ben is alive, so why would Miles think that he can lie about that?

But there is another option....

MICHAEL...

It seems that most of us believe that Michael might have been picked up by the frieghter. So, if he was the one who leaked the info about 815, this must have happened BEFORE Abaddon assembled his team, right? Because the team was already on the boat when Michael and Walt were 'rescued'....

So I wonder if Michael was indeed rescued and taken back to civilization for a while. And then, after not a very long time, he was contacted by some people and he was kind of forced to tell about Flight 815.

I'm talking about the freighter people. Ben used some supernatural means.
I don't think Ben used any kind of supernatural means. All Ben's records are factual things that can be discovered, plus public records. As for Sawyer killing the guy, that's just putting 2 and 2 together. An unsolved murder of a guy who owed money to a guy Sawyer worked with, the day after Sawyer arrives in the country? That's not a tough one.

I don't think Ben used any kind of supernatural means. All Ben's records are factual things that can be discovered, plus public records. As for Sawyer killing the guy, that's just putting 2 and 2 together. An unsolved murder of a guy who owed money to a guy Sawyer worked with, the day after Sawyer arrives in the country? That's not a tough one.
Yeah, I don't think that Ben used supernatural means, the scene with Miles suggests Ben has a very large organization throughout the world. And Like I said, the Australian cops could have solved the murder after the plane crash, who knows what evidence there was implicating Sawyer.

More than we think.....and they know about the island and why there is a "time-gap."

More than we think.....and they know about the island and why there is a "time-gap."
I'm sure they know many of the secrets of the island, but as I said I think they(and I mean the team on the island) may not have all of the information on the losties.