When Locke put the tape in i was so so happy. I was going to get some big surprise, but no its Widmore who is the evil mastermind thats such a let down. I dunno who or what i thought was going to happen. Just really seems like Dr. Evil

When Locke put the tape in i was so so happy. I was going to get some big surprise, but no its Widmore who is the evil mastermind thats such a let down. I dunno who or what i thought was going to happen. Just really seems like Dr. Evil

Are you presuming that Ben was telling the truth? I mean, Widmore is apparently important enough that Ben has a file on him, but that's all we really know for sure. Everything else is taking Ben at his word, and he was awfully willing to tell all to Locke, just to be able to sleep in a clean bed...

Ben is telling the truth, I think. Why do I think this? Because the Writers need to start giving us answers, and if when we do finally get answers those answers turn out to be lies, well, that's not very good for ratings. I think the Writers can allow themselves a twist or two, perhaps a red herring even, but not out-and-out lies so soon into the answers. If Ben says Widmore's behind the Freighter, then I'm believing it.

I'm still not sure about the Widmore explanation. Ben is just such a sneaky dude. Why in the world would he want to tape over the Red Sox anyway!

What sort of amazing semi-mystical answer are people expecting for the Freighties anyway?

Ever since the Freighties plotline developed it has looked pretty obviously like the motives behind it are the perennial human motives - a lust for wealth and power.

yep, what Quinch said.

Yeah I think that was pretty clear after what Miles said to Ben.

The "tape" was a let down, we all knew that Widdy was the fundmaster for the people trying to find/steal/exploit/etc the Island.
I expected a better reveal than that. Paik would have been so much better, a WTF moment..





"dude, you got some Arzt on you"

Ben is telling the truth, I think. Why do I think this? Because the Writers need to start giving us answers, and if when we do finally get answers those answers turn out to be lies, well, that's not very good for ratings. I think the Writers can allow themselves a twist or two, perhaps a red herring even, but not out-and-out lies so soon into the answers. If Ben says Widmore's behind the Freighter, then I'm believing it.

That's probably the best explanation yet I've seen for this situation. Many people think Ben is lying about Widmore, but this far into the series, I would have to agree with Lucidity. We're going to get a lot of answers this season simply because the story has already been built up to a certain point where it's time.

Moreover, I think that Ben needs Locke, and maybe Sawyer, and some others simply as bodies to help him in his task because all his other footsoldiers are dead. Let's see what they talk about at "Dinner".

We need to also realize that some of the more passive viewers may find the Widmore reveal a shock. I overheard people at my work confused and not remembering we had seen Charles Widmore before during "The Constant."

So to some of the less-obsessed fans, this may not seem so bland.

I really wasn't surprised because I called it last season. I wrote up a long theory to Widmore being the man behind the freighter after the season 3 finale. The more and more I see this season the more I'm shocked at how close I was in my theory.

I felt the Widmore reveal was in the previous episode when he obtained the Black Rock journal. This was just dumb in my opinion, I felt they told us the same thing twice. A wasted episode, I didn't care for it. I also don't care for the preview "spoiler" (in my opinion) If the man on the boat is who I think it is, then they've already given that away too in the preview. I don't usually complain, but I'm not thrilled. Preview about the man on the boat:You thought you'd never see him again I think it's Hmmmm Michael? He's the only one that has "left" the island. The other characters are dead. We've already seen Walt this season. It seems obvious, which is annoying. I hope it's anyone else.

The "tape" was a let down, we all knew that Widdy was the fundmaster for the people trying to find/steal/exploit/etc the Island.
I expected a better reveal than that. Paik would have been so much better, a WTF moment..


But I think Widmore made a lot of sense -- all of the signs pointed to him, from the Des/Penny picture on. While some of us might think this makes him too obvious, I think it makes him realistic and believable. And for a show like this, being grounded in reality is very important, or else we're going to start shouting "jump the shark".

Paik would not have made much sense as a reveal -- especially based on what we've seen so far.

My big take on it was, I think Ben is telling the truth, but that there is a lot more to the story than what we've heard. Though Widmore may be the man behind the freighter, the reason Ben gave for him coming to exploit the island may not be (and probably isn't) 100% true.

And above all else, I bet Ben and Widmore have an interesting history that I would love to learn about! So I'm perfectly fine with the reveal.

We need to also realize that some of the more passive viewers may find the Widmore reveal a shock. I overheard people at my work confused and not remembering we had seen Charles Widmore before during "The Constant."

So to some of the less-obsessed fans, this may not seem so bland.

i know what you mean, i even thought to myself that i wish i didnt spend so much time on the internet reading theories, i probably would have been shocked, or maybe even not remembered who widmore was.

and i also agree with the poster who stated that they already made the reveal by showing widmore at the auction.

But I think Widmore made a lot of sense -- all of the signs pointed to him, from the Des/Penny picture on. While some of us might think this makes him too obvious, I think it makes him realistic and believable. And for a show like this, being grounded in reality is very important, or else we're going to start shouting "jump the shark".

Paik would not have made much sense as a reveal -- especially based on what we've seen so far.


I would have to disagree on this. Paik would (and still does) make a great deal of sense. And their leading us to look to Widmore for a little while also makes a great deal of sense. The reason for this is that Paik's daughter is stranded on the island and will make an ideal hostage for Ben's people. Ben already tried this once and failed (the attempted abduction of the pregnant women in TTLG). Sun has been kept out of sight this season so we don't think about her too much. Her lines have been mostly to show growing dissention with Jack, to give an excuse for her to consider travelling off in the jungle to join Locke. In either that journey or with Locke, she has the perfect opportunity to be abducted, under the premise that these people who are running for their lives from the freighties still want a pregnant woman who's going to die soon, anyway. In fact, Sun would be the perfect hostage to keep the freighties at bay, presuming the freighties see her as "The Big Boss' " daughter...

Also, consider that Michael is wearing Paik's special watch which I suspect contains a transponder that was intended to be used to locate the island. Instead, it will lend credibility to how the freighties will have located Michael out in that big, big _big_ ocean. This would all provide a much bigger surprise and be better-connected plotting than the more obvious idea that Widmore is connected to the freighter...

I had been suspecting Widmore working in addition to Penny's efforts for sometime and it really would be the only person to make sense. At this point to introduce a new villain would seem like a cop out I think. Everything seems to be coming full circle and I agree that they needed to start giving us answers and this one makes sense. Although I do wonder if there will be some weird reason he was aware of the island in the first place. Maybe some investment in the Hanso Foundation or Dharma.

I would have to disagree on this. Paik would (and still does) make a great deal of sense.

Yeah, but how much more evidence do we have that Widmore is behind it all, rather than Paik? The Penny connection alone, going way back to LTDA when she was financing the research station and found the EM burst -- it's very likely that Widmore learned about her efforts, and is now piggybacking off of them to zero in on the island. Widmore funding a race around the world, perhaps sending people right in the vicinity of where he thought the island might be in the hopes that one of them might stumble upon it? The Black Rock journal reveal in the previous ep? Des seeing the "Namaste/Polar Bear/Sailboat" painting in Widmore's office in FBYE?

While Paik is possible, we don't have too much evidence of this except that he's another rich, ruthless man like Widmore, and his daughter is on the island. None of the Sun/Jin FB's have pointed to any deeper Paik island connection.

Though I definitely think that Paik might, down the road, have something to do with the island, and he may have a link with both Ben and Widmore - I would like to see that dynamic explored.

I had been suspecting Widmore working in addition to Penny's efforts for sometime and it really would be the only person to make sense. At this point to introduce a new villain would seem like a cop out I think.

I can agree with you 100%. At the same time I stand behind all the claims I've made, because both can be true at the same time. Now, if there were another potential villain that had been already introduced, that person should be considered carefully, don't you think?

Imagine if you were a writer. You are going to bring someone from the flashback "B-team" to the forefront as an important character. But how to keep it from becoming obvious? Writers commonly employ "red herrings" to throw us off the scent. The easy way to do this is to display an obvious villain (Widmore) for everyone to suspect, and introduce the villain you're actually going to use, but keep him more out-of-sight, so that the audience won't think that much about him. That second villain (Paik) is perfectly plausible, but almost no one seems even willing to consider him. Now if you want to write a mystery where the audience doesn't figurer it out ahead of time, setting up a villain who no one wants to think about is what you'd want to do, if it could be pulled off...
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Yeah, but how much more evidence do we have that Widmore is behind it all, rather than Paik? The Penny connection alone, going way back to LTDA when she was financing the research station and found the EM burst -- it's very likely that Widmore learned about her efforts, and is now piggybacking off of them to zero in on the island. Widmore funding a race around the world, perhaps sending people right in the vicinity of where he thought the island might be in the hopes that one of them might stumble upon it? The Black Rock journal reveal in the previous ep? Des seeing the "Namaste/Polar Bear/Sailboat" painting in Widmore's office in FBYE?

While Paik is possible, we don't have too much evidence of this except that he's another rich, ruthless man like Widmore, and his daughter is on the island. None of the Sun/Jin FB's have pointed to any deeper Paik island connection.

Though I definitely think that Paik might, down the road, have something to do with the island, and he may have a link with both Ben and Widmore - I would like to see that dynamic explored.

I would suggest that the evidence for Widmore that you're presenting can mean one of two different things; an obvious one, and a tricky one.

You've picked the obvious one.

But writers will toss out these doubly-interpreted items (red herrings, actually) to try to distract us. The obvious interpretation can keep us from considering the subtler one. All the Widmore "evidence" you've suggested could also be interpreted to suggest that Widmore already knows all about the island and has been involved there all along. If Wimore were actually The Man In Charge on the island, with Ben having somewhere fallen under is thumb, everything you've presented would still fit neatly. Not only that, it would explain how Penny was able to connect in to the Looking Glass when Charlie shut the jamming down; it's because her Daddy has already been communicating with the island all along, and she's got the communication info from someone in Daddy's organization.

As far as evidence of Paik's involvement goes, consider that a mystery writer isn't going to base the outome of the story on the most obvious solution. In fact, it's the less obvious one (the one they've deliberately chosen not to display too prominently) that they'll tend to use.

Now, none of this actually gives any proof that Widmore or Paik will be the one actually in charge of the freighter. What I'm doing is presenting a perfectly plausible alternative that may or may not pan out. But the fact that so many people will staunchly oppose a perfectly plausible alternative while embracing a different, more obvious one gives me a reasonable amount of hope that I'm on the right track.

We'll see...

Sometimes occam's razor is the way to go.

They've obviously been building this The Widmore connection for a long time (back when Dalton asked viewers to look out for the Widmore sign during Fire + Water), so I'd rather they stick to their plan rather then invent a new twist just for the sake of it.

I believe it's Widmore's freighter, I just don't buy that he some uber-villian. Ben said that if Jack called the freighter, every living thing on the island would die. He didn't say WHO would be responsible for it though. I think Ben was planning on using the gas again as a last ditch effort to keep outside forces from gaining control of the island. All we've seen Widmore do so far is be a jerk to Desmon (which most father's would do to the scruffy looking guy that wanted to marry their daughter) and beat up some anonymous person. Just about everybody on the island has beat up somebody at some point. Even Hurley killed a guy. Until I see him do something truly EVIL, I'm going to keep thinking that Ben's doing what Ben always does, lie and deceive.

I do believe that this is Widmore's boat and I believe that it is the same boat that called Penny at the end of season 2. I really believe that Penny and her Dad are working together, even tho they haven't showed them together, I still think that Widmore cares about his daughter and wants her to be happy and Desmond is what makes her happy so he is going to try and find him (of course I guess this is my hopeless romantic side). .. of course along the search widmore could have found out about the great things the island can do/the people interested.. $$$.. etc.

Sometimes occam's razor is the way to go.

They've obviously been building this The Widmore connection for a long time (back when Dalton asked viewers to look out for the Widmore sign during Fire + Water), so I'd rather they stick to their plan rather then invent a new twist just for the sake of it.

Consider that if in Season 1 someone speculated, "I think that the hatch contains a button that has to be pressed every 108 minutes or the world will end," the pretty much unanimous response would have been much like the response you just gave here. The deadliest word in your response is the word "obviously." That's because "obviously" is the enemy of surprise; it's the destroyer of creativity.

It's what you don't find in a well written story.

In fact, I think what we all really want from the writers is a good story with good twists; not an obvious follow-on from what's already been done. Now, the twists they pull aren't likely to be intensely complex (and that's an application of Occam's razor) and the idea I'm proposing isn't overly complex either. But for there to be plot twists, the story development can't be obvious and "sticking to a plan." For a plot twist, you point the story in an obvious direction and then you suddenly turn it in an unexpected way. That's just what a plot twist is.

The unexpected way I'm proposing may or may not be the way the story goes; that's all part of the fun of trying to figure out what the writers are really doing. To second-guess what I hope is a well written mystery, I'm looking for the plausible-but-unobvious. If the writers find a way that's even more plausible and more unobvious, I'll be delighted that I was wrong.

If they consistently take the obvious route, I think we'll all end up disappointed...

Wesb, I understand where you're coming from in wanting more of a twist, and it's definitely possible that Paik is involved.

I think the twist will likely come from, not so much who is behind the freighter, but why they're coming to the island. As I said before, Ben is probably not completely on the level about that detail, or about the blurred line between who is really good and who is really bad (which could depend on your perspective -- if Ben wants to save the island at any cost, that's all well and good, unless it comes at the expense of innocent people dying)

As for how good or bad Widmore really is, I guess that remains to be seen. He definitely reminds me a lot of Ben right now, I don't know exactly why, but I'm hoping he becomes as ambiguous and not down-right "villainous" as he is at first appearing to be.

Also, keep in mind that, if he really is coming to take control of the island, that could make for a lot of dramatic weight in S5, if those left behind have to fend for themselves and protect the island, or what have you. That definitely has potential for a new set of "enemies" on the show, with the others now potentially helping the losties left behind.

Also, keep in mind that, if he really is coming to take control of the island, that could make for a lot of dramatic weight in S5, if those left behind have to fend for themselves and protect the island, or what have you. That definitely has potential for a new set of "enemies" on the show, with the others now potentially helping the losties left behind.

Abbadon's, "Are they still alive?" question to Hurley suggests that the freighties never get to take over the island. In fact, they don't even have a source of information from the island. And Naomi's comment that she's going to have to "baby sit" her fellow freighties, and that they're the wrong people for the job, forebodes that that whole operation will go badly, especially since their "baby sitter" is now dead.

Abbadon's, "Are they still alive?" question to Hurley suggests that the freighties never get to take over the island. In fact, they don't even have a source of information from the island. And Naomi's comment that she's going to have to "baby sit" her fellow freighties, and that they're the wrong people for the job, forebodes that that whole operation will go badly, especially since their "baby sitter" is now dead.

I'm not sure how the O6 will get off, or how things go, but my guess is that Ben may actually get the O6 off (my first clue to this was Sayid working for Ben off island -- I have no idea, but I guess we'll see eventually ;) ) This would explain Abbadon's not knowing how everything turned out on the island. I also think some of the freighties may stick around longer (Dan, especially is a very popular new character, and I'd love to see him on the island longer) which suggests some of these ill-equiped freighties get stuck on the island.

Maybe Abbadon is cut off from direct knowledge of the mission, but the freightie mission still goes ahead, but with complications (brought on by Ben, and those who are left to potentially defend the island). I see a future season turning into a battle to protect the island with opposing forces (Widmore's men vs Ben) and the losties trying to figure out who is really in the right and who's side to join.

But I'll admit there is still a lot we don't know, which makes this a difficult guessing game.

I'm not sure how the O6 will get off, or how things go, but my guess is that Ben may actually get the O6 off (my first clue to this was Sayid working for Ben off island -- I have no idea, but I guess we'll see eventually ;) ) This would explain Abbadon's not knowing how everything turned out on the island.

I don't think that would work... If the freighties take over the island (which was the comment of yours that I was respopnding to) then they would have a source of information about the island in the flashforward at the time Hurley is back in Santa Rosa. The fact that Abbadon was probing for information from Hurley suggests that he and his people (who we saw are also the ones who employed Naomi) are in the dark as to if "they" are still alive. Just who "they" are doesn't matter in this case, as any people who'd taken over the island would be the only ones who would likely know. They don't know...

it's all Desmond's fault. he was dating Penny, and to the point that they wanted to get married. So daddy hired someone to find out about this guy and most likely had him followed and found out about the island. because desmond had gone over to Stanford University to find Daniel Faraday. connect the paths to that.

We all have heard on the show from Penny Winmore, if you got money you can found out anything.

Thats how MR widmore knows about the island.

Consider that if in Season 1 someone speculated, "I think that the hatch contains a button that has to be pressed every 108 minutes or the world will end," the pretty much unanimous response would have been much like the response you just gave here. The deadliest word in your response is the word "obviously." That's because "obviously" is the enemy of surprise; it's the destroyer of creativity.

It's what you don't find in a well written story.

In fact, I think what we all really want from the writers is a good story with good twists; not an obvious follow-on from what's already been done. Now, the twists they pull aren't likely to be intensely complex (and that's an application of Occam's razor) and the idea I'm proposing isn't overly complex either. But for there to be plot twists, the story development can't be obvious and "sticking to a plan." For a plot twist, you point the story in an obvious direction and then you suddenly turn it in an unexpected way. That's just what a plot twist is.

The unexpected way I'm proposing may or may not be the way the story goes; that's all part of the fun of trying to figure out what the writers are really doing. To second-guess what I hope is a well written mystery, I'm looking for the plausible-but-unobvious. If the writers find a way that's even more plausible and more unobvious, I'll be delighted that I was wrong.

If they consistently take the obvious route, I think we'll all end up disappointed...

The Widmore connection is only 'obvious' if you've been fanatically following the show and all the fan speculation.

I think viewers are going to have to adjust themselves to a mundane,regular human intrigue story rather than overly mystical/ supernatural/ sci-fantasy plots.


It's midway through the FOURTH season now (of six) so they have to start giving out some hard info. And if they keep pulling fantastical weird stuff out of the hat the show is frankly going to lose credibility. Expect to see things that are twisted but at the same time are grounded in rational reality.

I'm going to take wesb's thoughts a step farther and say that I think the big shoes to drop are still Alvar Hanso and possibly the DeGroots. If, as a writer, you needed to introduce some of the "big guns" early in a story and then bring them back as pay-off later, you couldn't set it up more perfectly than the writers have here. Alvar and the deGroots made a big splash when they showed up, and many, many theories have been advanced about them. Yet the longer we go without any direct mention of them on the show, the more they fade into the background. So, too, the theories start to dry up, because there's no fuel for the fire.

I think we've got a lot of these types of reveals coming up in the future. Widmore was just the first and most obvious. Paik's involvement is likely to be brought to the forefront at some point too. But just think through the many, many other loose ends and you'll see that there's a lot to work through over the next 40 or so episodes. Some reveals are going to seem mundane, some are going to be mind-blowing -- and some are going to be subtle and not even meant for the the mainstream audience, but just as confirmation for the die-hards. We can expect some strightforward reveals, and some feints and red herrings (although I agree with webs that these will not be too complex or overdone). I think they will build in their shock value, from a macro perspective, but since they also have to fit into the context of whatever narrative is being told on-screen, they may not always have the full punch we'd expect, especially if the reveal in question is one of our personal favorite theories/topics.

But as noted previously, the writers also have to contend with a somewhat daunting problem: the length and scope of this narrative called Lost to date. I expect everyone who posts here has had the experience (probably once a week if not more often!) of having mentioned what seems to you a fairly obvious point and had the friend or co-worker you've mentioned it to look at you with a blank stare: Claire is Jack's half-sister? Locke's boss Randy was also Hurley's boss? Alvar who? Geronimo what?

Which means we're going to get some exposition and flashback sequences just to catch up people who don't watch carefully (I prefer that characterization than "who don't obsess over the show", which my spouse might prefer). I imagine they'll do as much as they can in the Previouslies, but it's unavoidable and will make some scenes/episodes seem a bit pedestrian.

I don't think Widmore is a surprise, but i don't think it's a let down. He was seen in the previous episode bidding for a book handed down through the Hanso family so that may be how he found out about the island. That or it was just the proof he needed to confirm his theories.

I don't think he likes Desmond - in series two he tries to bribe him not to see Penny again when he gets out of prison.

The Widmore connection is only 'obvious' if you've been fanatically following the show and all the fan speculation.


To those who've been closely following the show, a Widmore reveal would be obvious and a letdown. To those who haven't been closely following the show, they almost don't know who Widmore is, so he'd be of no interest whatsoever.

To have it be Widmore would then be interesting to nobody.

To those who've been following the show, a reveal of Paik would be a surprise, since they'd been led to look to Widmore; it's a plus.

To those who haven't been following the show, the consequences of it being Sun's father has all sorts of interesting complications with her being on the island and vulnerable to a hostage situation. It's a plus.


I think viewers are going to have to adjust themselves to a mundane,regular human intrigue story rather than overly mystical/ supernatural/ sci-fantasy plots.


'Scuse me? My speculation is entirely one of straightforward character interaction. Please point me to any use of "overly mystical/ supernatural/ sci-fantasy plots" that I've used. In fact, I'd be interested in seeing a reference to underly "mystical/ supernatural/ sci-fantasy plots" that I've used.


It's midway through the FOURTH season now (of six) so they have to start giving out some hard info.


Perhaps we're watching different shows. The one I've been watching has been dumping out lots of hard info this season. A good mystery will also have some red herrings. That's just part of the experience, and it keeps the actual reveals fresh and surprising. We know they're not revealing everything in the next few eps; why should this particular item absolutely have to be revealed right now? The solution I've suggested would do the actual reveal soon, but carry with it a huge payoff...


And if they keep pulling fantastical weird stuff out of the hat the show is frankly going to lose credibility.


Once again, please reference some of the "fantastical weird stuff" that I've used in this speculation. I would claim that my idea is thoroughly plausible, completely rational, entirely character-interaction-based, and would be far more interesting to everyone than the obvious red herring we've been presented with. Exactly how the show would end up losing credibility with something like that is a bigger mystery to me than the Smoke Monster is. And its payback would unfold before the O6 ended up leaving the island... probably not all that far off, though I've no beforehand knowledge...


Expect to see things that are twisted but at the same time are grounded in rational reality.

Once again, please point out something I've said that is not grounded in "rational reality," whatever that is. This posting seems more an attempt to put unjustified labels on my idea, rather than to use "rational reality" to rebut it...

Now, I'm not saying that my idea absolutely must be the way the story turns out; it's an idea, and I think a reasonable one. What really surprises me is the number of people who have to make an effort to try to say how unlikely it is, while still offering no actual evidence that contradicts it in any way. To me, that's a sign of an excellent possible surprise turn for the story; it's consistent with what we've seen, plausible, is based on nothing "fantastical," and almost no one sees the possibility of it coming...

To those who've been closely following the show, a Widmore reveal would be obvious and a letdown. To those who haven't been closely following the show, they almost don't know who Widmore is, so he'd be of no interest whatsoever.

To have it be Widmore would then be interesting to nobody.

To those who've been following the show, a reveal of Paik would be a surprise, since they'd been led to look to Widmore; it's a plus.


What if Widmore, along with Paik and a few others, are all involved in exploiting the island?

What if Widmore, along with Paik and a few others, are all involved in exploiting the island?

Actually, I've been saying essentially that all along, though they'd not be doing it cooperatively but competitively. (No point in having three wealthy industrialists in the same story, if all their roles can be accomplished by a single character...) It's just that connecting the boat to Widmore rather than Paik is possible, but not the biggest bang for the buck, by a long shot. And since that "reveal" was done simply on Ben's word with absolutely no solid evidence, it can be taken back in a flash, once it's time for the actual reveal.

Once again, please point out something I've said that is not grounded in "rational reality," whatever that is. This posting seems more an attempt to put unjustified labels on my idea, rather than to use "rational reality" to rebut it...

Now, I'm not saying that my idea absolutely must be the way the story turns out; it's an idea, and I think a reasonable one. What really surprises me is the number of people who have to make an effort to try to say how unlikely it is, while still offering no actual evidence that contradicts it in any way. To me, that's a sign of an excellent possible surprise turn for the story; it's consistent with what we've seen, plausible, is based on nothing "fantastical," and almost no one sees the possibility of it coming...

Try not to be so touchy.

Try not to be so touchy.

Oh, nothing touchy in the least there... We can't put tone in our questions, so you may have surmised some. I was merely asking some sincere questions.

I notice you haven't answered any...

Oh, nothing touchy in the least there... We can't put tone in our questions, so you may have surmised some. I was merely asking some sincere questions.

I notice you haven't answered any...

Most of your 'questions' just seemed to be you reacting badly to my speculation that we are likely going to be seeing a lot more pretty mundane and relatively predictable answers to questions raised on the show.

At the end of the day Lost is a popular TV show. It's not going to turn out to be high concept art - just a well written entertaining peak-time show with mass appeal. As a result, I can't see why some poeple are so disappointed that we are getting 'answers' that have been predicted by many fans here or that seem to be fairly ordinary in nature.

I don't see anything unsatisfying about the person behind the boat being Widmore. Makes a lot of sense and just because diehard fans on the internet predicted it some time back doesn't mean that it can't turn out to be an answer in the show - this isn't a competition for the writers to come up with stuff which no-one could ever have figured out or guessed. :rolleyes:


I say 'answers' because there's still an awful lot of very early stuff still left unanswered even more than halfway through the show's run: The real nature of the Smoke Monster, the whispers, 'Adam and Eve', what the Island actually is/can do and the connections in the characters' pasts. The Numbers were sort of answered in The Lost Experience but not why they kept popping up everywhere.

What is being answered now is basically the running plot of the fourth season being tied up ready for a new intra-season storyline in Season Five. We'll likely see a resolution of Desmond's arc as too as it's clearly tied in with the Freighter.

Most of your 'questions' just seemed to be you reacting badly to my speculation that we are likely going to be seeing a lot more pretty mundane and relatively predictable answers to questions raised on the show.


...sigh...

Actually my 'questions' were about the labels you used to describe some of the things I said, and I asked you for examples, which you've so far not given. The following are direct copies of your own labels describing my comments...

"overly mystical/ supernatural/ sci-fantasy plots"
"fantastical weird stuff"I asked for examples, and expect to wait forever, because the examples don't exist. Your attempting to say that someone's reacting badly when all they'd like is an example or two seems kinda odd. Perhaps it's just another unjustified label?

...sigh...

Actually my 'questions' were about the labels you used to describe some of the things I said, and I asked you for examples, which you've so far not given. The following are direct copies of your own labels describing my comments...
"overly mystical/ supernatural/ sci-fantasy plots"
"fantastical weird stuff"I asked for examples, and expect to wait forever, because the examples don't exist. Your attempting to say that someone's reacting badly when all they'd like is an example or two seems kinda odd. Perhaps it's just another unjustified label?

Hmmm, I'll say it again: You really really need to stop being so touchy and treating every discussion as some sort of personal battle.

I specifically made my comments generalisations although you may infer what you like from the fact that I quoted your post. :rolleyes:

I specifically made my comments generalisations although you may infer what you like from the fact that I quoted your post. :rolleyes:

...sigh...

I guess that I would avoid putting unrelated generalizations when quoting someone else's post. That would avoid a lot of misunderstandings. As I see it, if you're quoting someone else, there's no real way for them to tell that you're not responding directly to them. I leave my generalizations for unquoted postings and have never had a problem. You can do what you'd like and in the future, I'll consider the source. With that, please feel free to have the last word and I'll say no more (one of us has to be the adult here...)

I shall have the last word! And I have deemed that word to be......

cantankerous

I'm still not sure about the Widmore explanation. Ben is just such a sneaky dude. Why in the world would he want to tape over the Red Sox anyway!

Maybe Ben is a Cardinal fan like me. I certainly don't want to see that footage again.

Oh, nothing touchy in the least there... We can't put tone in our questions, so you may have surmised some. I was merely asking some sincere questions.

I notice you haven't answered any...

ROWR!
100%
To me, the biggest-picture mystery over the last two seasons (mid-2 thru mid-4) hasn't been the question of who Ben's adversary is, but WHY.

I don't believe Ben at all

I don't believe Ben at all

Indeed - just how gullible IS Locke anyway? Ben knows this guy wants to take over the Island and has video footage of him plus a large dossier of intel ... but doesn't really know how Widmore found out about the Island or what his exact motivations are? And we the viewers know that Widmore was looking for info on the Island as far back as 1996.

Give me a break, Ben knows exactly what is going on.

My guess is that he did a deal with Widmore initially when DHARMA was purged and has since reneged on his end, figuring the Island is undetectable.

Now Widmore has finally been able to locate the Island himself and wants control of it plus revenge on Ben.

Ben seems to have a history of telling half-truths. He's very good at weaving some sort of fact into a complex web of lies.

I agree that Widmore is behind the boat, but I don't think Ben told Locke the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth, so help him, God.

Whether or not Ben has that information is yet to be seen. But knowing how he operates, I would say he does.

It's been 2+ years since we met Henry Gale, and we still don't know if he's a good guy or a bad guy. You've just gotta love it.