I'm sorry, I know this is seemingly miniscule, but am I the only one who thinks there's something not right about how daniel responds to juliet trying to stop them?

I mean, he knows she's a native, so he *should* presume she's on ben's side, and thus it's obvious she's trying to stop him - they <dan and charlotte> obviously knew that enough to sneak off to the tempest.

So shouldn't dan have been more like "oh no!", "how'd you catch us?", or something, I mean he seemed confused when it's plain as day she just caught up to him, something about how dan responded to her being there just really didn't sound so right (@~32:30 in)

I don't know why, but the way he talked to her was almost like he knew her already - like he was familiar with her, maybe it's my imagination. It was odd definitely

(I'm not really sure where I'm going with that, other than it just doesn't seem to work - perhaps dan's got a decent feel for how it was gonna go down, almost like he had the premonitions or whatever when he saw the 815 news report, and he didn't *expect* juliet would be part of the equation? It just seems he should've been upset/bothered she caught up, not surprised and confused that she would do such a thing - he knew she would, hence why they snuck there instead of just saying "we're headed to the tempest, later!")
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Chrysander!!!! Yes!! I left that out - listen to how he says juliet, I'm hearing that in a far, far more familiar manner than I'd expect him to say "jack", for instance. I'll bet there's a bit more going on than meets the eye (duh, like that's not the case w/ every minute of the show lol)
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(((Okay, anyone who's not seeing what I mean, try watching it a few times in a row. I just watched it a couple more times and the more you see it, the more obvious it is. Pay attention to his face, he honestly seems like he's really, seriously ASKING her what she's doing there - like it'd just be so unusual that she would want to be there. But he seems to honestly be asking that, not saying the question of "what're ya doing here!" as a statement, he really seems to be asking!)))

I almost started this exact thread, but figured I must be missing something. Faraday knew of Juliet, at the very least, from her hanging out with Jack's group on the beach. I wasn't sure if he knew Juliet was a hostile - was Faraday there when Frank noted that Juliet wasn't on the plane?

Regardless, I thought it was really odd as well. Thanks for posting it. He said "Juliet, what are you doing here?", not out of surprise to see her, but seemingly out of exasperation and disappointment. I realize too that Faraday has some strange affect to his presentation, but knowing him now for a few episodes, the reaction seemed strange, even for him.

I'm glad you brought this up, because I didn't have the courage. When I first saw this scene I looked over at my girlfriend and was like, "OMG... how does Daniel know Juliet?!?"

And of course, she responded, "Because they met near the helicopter. Remember Lapidus saying, 'she wasn't on the plane.'"

And I was like, "Oh... right. Der."

But I watched it again because something didn't sit right with me. It was the way that Farraday spoke these words that implied something more than what was said. There was some definate subtext going on there. FAMILIARITY. So again, I'm glad you brought this up, but so far I can only offer three possiblilities.

1) The freighters and Juliet have a past that has yet to be revealed.
2) Time loop theory - Daniel has been through this before. Only in subsequent attempts to stop the gas, Juliette has not attempted to stop him. Thus, the familiarity is tied more to the situation and not Juliette.
3) Jeremy Davies acting was just a little too Shatner. No offence to Davies. I've always respected his acting.
4) We're just looking to deep into things because this episode offered very little as far as shocking revelations - besides Ben's obsession with Juliette.

I hope this thread continues to get responses because I'm curious to see other ideas on this topic. Thanks again, joeyboy!

Yeah, I felt the same thing. It did sound like Daniel knew Juliet quite well personally. It was as if Juliet was the last person Daniel expected to see there.

I don't know Daniel is weird! lol But i definitly like him!

Juliet and Jack went walking off into the jungle and if it weren't for Harper, Juliet wouldn't have gone to the tempest in the first place.. so I am sure that Daniel was like.. hmmm? what is she doing here? But at the same time the computer lady was screaming warning warning so I am sure that he wasn't too worried about dealing with Juliet, his main focus was 'stopping' the gas... that's just what I think that he didn't have much time to react..OR he already knew she would come.

I LOVE Daniel - best new character in the history of forever... which has nothing to do with this thread buy hey, you can never have too much love, right? :biggrin:

I thought his reaction was disappointment... two possible rationales:

He knows (from Frank) that she's a native, not a crash survivor, but from hanging around on the beach with Jack and Juliet, he's learned that she's thrown her lot in with the Losties. Then he sees her there with a gun on him and figures that she's been lying and is still working for Ben after all, and he's disappointed in her because he liked her and thought she was one of the good guys.

OR

He likes her and he's disappointed she found them because now Charotte's will have to go all ninja on her... derriere.

but for your first scenario, he'd *also* have to assume that the beach folk wouldn't want to follow them - which they would, as evidenced by him and charlotte having to sneak off.

I'm thinking of only 2 rational explanations to this, as it seems there HAS to be more going on than we currently know. Dan does not expect her there, he's surprised she's there - he shouldn't be surprised since he knew he had to sneak there, so surely the fact they followed and caught up isn't a shocker. The only 2 possible reasons I can think of, though I'd love to hear a bunch more, are:

1) he's been there before or has had premonitions, etc, he KNOWS, to some extent, how this scenario plays out <see his reaction to flight815 being found in 4.02>, and knows juliet is not a part of it, yet she's there all of a sudden, OR

2) there's more between juliet and him that we don't know about. I don't have any idea whether maybe dan/charlotte cut a deal with juliet that we didn't see, hell, widmore may be juliet's new 'boss' since she left ben's side, whatever, and her being there was a violation of what was presumed by dan. <<sorry if that's not clear - what I mean is that dan would've known she knew they were gonna be there, and was not going to interfere, yet all of a sudden, there she is>>>.



I'm sooooo hoping for #2. I'm afraid they may go for #1, as they're hinting at premonitions/future knowledge through charlotte playing the card guessing game with him. I think #2 has far more potential, and of course, the worst would be that jeremy davies just botched that scene and had the wrong inflection when he said that - I HIGHLY doubt that's the case here, from what I read I think they run scenes a million times to get them just right, and if that was unintentional, I don't know how it would've slid.

I'm sorry, I know this is seemingly miniscule, but am I the only one who thinks there's something not right about how daniel responds to juliet trying to stop them?

There was something odd about the way Daniel responded to Juliet. It seem to imply that they already knew each other. But how could that be? Time-loop theory maybe? I don't know.

but.. they DO already know each other? no?

Daniel probably didn't expect Juliet so soon. Harper gave Juliet info that cut-down on the time it would have taken to actually find where Daniel and Charlotte had gone.

He likes her and he's disappointed she found them because now Charotte's will have to go all ninja on her... derriere.That's what I thought it was...

His response was like that of a grounded girl when her boyfriend shows up at her bedroom window: "What are you doing here? My Dad's going to kill you!"

Charlotte's his daddy.

Daniel probably didn't expect Juliet so soon. Harper gave Juliet info that cut-down on the time it would have taken to actually find where Daniel and Charlotte had gone.
I hated reading that!!! Why? Because it has me a tad torn now - I still think it's more than that, but your idea does work, it is 100% rational. The reason I don't think it's the case tho, is because the average viewer wouldn't be thinking that, heck even many here who obsess and rewatch a million times wouldn't catch that, so to have daniel act that out in that way just seems pointless. Further, even if it were truly that, I still have a second problem - daniel is *too* surprised, no matter how smoothly he thought that charlotte and him got away, it wouldn't be *that* surprising that juliet caught up with them - his surprise really seems to hint at more than "oh, ya caught me".

it wouldn't be *that* surprising that juliet caught up with them -

I think it was surprising only because you would think that, under normal circumstances, Daniel's/Charlotte's "trail" would have been completely erased by the rain. Juliet wouldn't have been able to track them without the help of Harper.

I have to admit that I thought Daniel's response was weird, but I really think it has to do more with the inflection he used than anything else. I think anything else is probably trying to read too much into it. He's surprised because they told no one of their mission, and the station is far away. He's also disappointed in her because she misunderstands what he is trying to do and tries to stop him.

Since Confirmed Dead Juliet seems to have strange encounters with the people on the boat. When Lapidus called her out on being a native Juliet didn't seem to be too concerned. Plus their is the way that she talks down to the freighties.

I think it was surprising only because you would think that, under normal circumstances, Daniel's/Charlotte's "trail" would have been completely erased by the rain. Juliet wouldn't have been able to track them without the help of Harper.
yes and no - kate, while bringing jack there, seemed to be able to easily discern charlotte/dan's footprints from juliet's, so the trail still seemed to be there. The 'yes and no', well, I only put that there because I hate how kate just happens to be a skilled tracker like that...

I don't know Daniel is weird! lol But i definitly like him!

As a computer science professor, I've met a lot of super-nerd/quasi-aspergers types like Daniel, and that's exactly how they respond to any surprising incident: "Hmm, that's interesting."

It's as if they were taking notes while observing the world through a microscope. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Grandin.

Jeremy Davies nailed that character.

Juliet is working for Widmore. Pretty easy. :)

After the death of Goodwin, I'm sure Juliet has had some sort of contact with the outside and a deal was struck. She stays with Ben and The Others, gathering information and relaying it to the outside in exchange for freedom.

The reason why she didnt seem to know whether to let Charlotte and Faraday do what they were doing is because she couldn't tell whether Ben wanted or didn't want this to happen. Thats the frustrating thing about Ben, you never know whether you are doing what he wants or not.

I thought it was weird too. I dunno why, but there was something that irked me with how he said it, like he was expecting her to be there or something and was just like "aw shucks" rather than freaking out like you'd expect Faraday to do. I'm probably just reading too much into it.

Hanover, that doesn't make much sense. If Juliet works for Widmore than regardless of what Ben wants, she shouldn't be trying to stop Charlotte and Daniel, and she should know they aren't trying to kill everyone on the island.

At most, she'd make a token fight (in case Ben is watching) and then fall like a sack of cement when Charlotte hits her. Plus, the freighties would know Widmore has a woman on the inside. Naomi wouldn't have been so skeptical of her and Charlotte wouldn't have clubbed her on the head more than once (and then just for show).

In the end, I think we're making much ado about nothing. Daniel calls her Juliet because he's spend three days with her on the island already. They're on a first-name basis. Juliet was non-plussed when outed as an Other because in her three years as an Other she's been well-trained to act non-plussed whenever something surprising happens. Not to mention, I think she anticipated that at some point they'd realize she's not on the manifest.

Yeah, I felt the same thing. It did sound like Daniel knew Juliet quite well personally. It was as if Juliet was the last person Daniel expected to see there.


I agree. His tone struck me as odd the first time I watched it, but couldn't put my finger on why. The second time I watched, it seemed to me that he wasn't necessarily surprised SOMEONE was there, but more that it was Juliet SPECIFICALLY.

Odd.

Daniel was expecting someone else? Hmmm...

Science nerd or not, Daniel is still a male.

Maybe he was secretly hoping that Kate adequately recovered from the mugging they gave her and successfully used her tracking skills to hunt them down to the Tempest.

Then, he would have expected Kate instead of Juliet to engage Charlotte in an ultra-sexy cat fight ... RAWR. (not that I didn't mind Juliet)

So maybe a Kate-Charlotte cat fight was what he was hoping for and he was just shocked to see that it was Juliet instead. :20: