Its probably just me but when we watched Michael & Walt sail away at the end of Season 2 we also watched Jin's watch (introduced in season 1) go with them. You remember the one he was suppose to deliver to somebody in California? So we wait an entire season to watch Michael pawn it to buy a gun to kill himself with. :eek2:

I was hoping there'd be a better reason for that watch exsisting...did anybody else post on this or even care? Translations of the inscription?

The watch served its purpose.

And a translation can be found here (http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k149/jyunaharry/lost%20cap/?action=view&current=jinswatch.jpg).

I don't see why every prop on this show needs a deeper meaning. Personally, I think some fans interpret the show as being a hundred times more complicated than the producers ever intended it to be.

The watch served its purpose.

And a translation can be found here (http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k149/jyunaharry/lost%20cap/?action=view&current=jinswatch.jpg).

I don't see why every prop on this show needs a deeper meaning. Personally, I think some fans interpret the show as being a hundred times more complicated than the producers ever intended it to be.

I agree with you, its a watch, nothing more. Not everything in this show has to be a clue to something else.

When Tom was a kid he was a bad boy who kicked a cat on the street, and universe got angry.

Universe course-corrected Mr. Paik's imperium to be built, just so that the watch would be given to Michael, so he could get a gun to kill himself, so he could be stopped by Tom, so he would get hit by a champagne bottle.

Education: Don't mess with universe, or you get hit by a bottle.

When Tom was a kid he was a bad boy who kicked a cat on the street, and universe got angry.

Universe course-corrected Mr. Paik's imperium to be built, just so that the watch would be given to Michael, so he could get a gun to kill himself, so he could be stopped by Tom, so he would get hit by a champagne bottle.

Education: Don't mess with universe, or you get hit by a bottle.

LOL, good one.

I agree with you, its a watch, nothing more. Not everything in this show has to be a clue to something else.

so, if some random dude shows up in a bathroom and tells you to deliver to a watch to someone you don't know...you don't see the mystery there? Yes, over all its just a watch...and we know his father in law is a powerful dude...but, they obviously threw that scene in for a reason. And I'd rather think theres a deeper meaning to the watch than some of the things i read about the smoke monster around here. If you pause your season 2 dvd to 2:30 in the episode rewind 3 frames back stand on your head and rub your tummy you can see the real smoke monster. GTFOH

I think the watch had a transponder that Paik was intending to use to locate the island. We haven't been shown Michael's rescue yet, but I suspect that the watch is how he was located out in that big, big ocean. Paik's people were looking for the island, and didn't expect to find Michael.

It's interesting that when Jin was warned in the restroom about running away and delivering the watch, the stranger's only command was that he must deliver the watch. He said he knew Jin was planning to run away, but he never said he couldn't do just that after delivering the watch. This made no sense at the time, but it does now.

If Paik knew that Jin's plan was to run away, he likely also knew that Sun was planning to dessert him at the airport in Sydney. In that case, the warning was intended to make sure Jin took the watch onto flight 815 and to the island even though Sun was not supposed to be there. Sun's sudden decision to go with Jin foiled part of Paik's plan, getting his daughter stuck on the island Paik couldn't find. Michael's taking the watch off the island further messed it up by removing the means that Paik would have used to put things right.

I'm guessing that the people who found Michael were not in a good mood...

Sometimes a watch is just a watch. If it looks like a watch, keeps time like a watch, it is probably just a watch.

"mutual co-operation" doesn't say corporation, co-operation. Could this refer to Paik working with Hanso in a mutual job they had to do, etc? There may be more of a meaning. ;)

"mutual co-operation" doesn't say corporation, co-operation. Could this refer to Paik working with Hanso in a mutual job they had to do, etc? There may be more of a meaning. ;)

It could mean many things. If the watch were truly intended to be delivered to someone in LA, then Hanso is certainly a reasonable candidate. If the watch were hiding a transponder to locate the island, then it was never intended for delivery, and the inscription is just there to make the whole ruse look convincing.

I'm suspecting that...

The fact that they've just made an effort to remind the viewers that Michael had the watch (only us rabid enthusiasts still remembered that, otherwise)
The fact that they included otherwise unnecessary dialog to remind those who still didn't remember that it came from Jin
The fact that they curiously didn't show Michael's rescue and how he got back into the USA without attracting attention (and presumably, without a passport...)...is set-up for their revealing the watch's purpose in the story in the next few episodes.

We'll see...

what the sad part is that he left with it - even after coming to "terms" with Jin and the boat and all.. He still kept it.. am i right, dont remember jin giviing it back to him.
so he stole it again.. making him once more and added more not a good person.

Considering the mobisode with Christian and Jack concerning a watch, to me their is obviously a little more to this

The watch served its purpose.

And a translation can be found here (http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k149/jyunaharry/lost%20cap/?action=view&current=jinswatch.jpg).

I don't see why every prop on this show needs a deeper meaning. Personally, I think some fans interpret the show as being a hundred times more complicated than the producers ever intended it to be.

The writers/producers certainly are aware that every little speck of dust is going to be analyzed and pondered like a cure for cancer.

That's all part of the fun, at least for us. I suppose it makes their jobs harder.

Well, blame them. If they hadn't created such an interesting puzzle, we wouldn't be sniffing like bloodhounds after ever atom.

It's a sign of greatness. If you want to challenge folks, they'll respond.

Get over yourself and enjoy.

time changes things, just watch

I don't see why every prop on this show needs a deeper meaning. Personally, I think some fans interpret the show as being a hundred times more complicated than the producers ever intended it to be.

Your contradicting yourself:biggrin:

It did have deep meaning as Mike used it to try and kill himself for betraying everyone.

So if someone thought the watch had meaning--they were right. The inscription also espoused Mutual cooperation----which is the opposite of what Micheal did...but what he is now doing on Freighter for his friends.

But dont think Im disagreeing with your premise because people do go overboard. Most items and themes are episode independent and many people dont see the forest through the trees because they see foreshadowing when its not there.

We do have cause for wondering about Jacks watch as well because it was highlighted in the mobisode as given to him by his rockingchaired father who seems to important. Just the fact that TIME is what Lost is all about makes one pay attention to all things ticking :)

Yes, people put to much effort in decifering every little part of lost in to a clue to something bigger

I think it will mean something or at least it will do something...I bet the watch ends up back in the hands of Suns father somehow

what the sad part is that he left with it - even after coming to "terms" with Jin and the boat and all.. He still kept it.. am i right, dont remember jin giviing it back to him.
so he stole it again.. making him once more and added more not a good person.

You remember wrong.

When Jin, Sawyer, Michael and Walt were sailing away from the island on their raft in the season 1 finale, there was a point when Jin had put down his watch, and Michael gave it to him. Then Jin put the watch back into Michael's hand and said "You".

So it was given to him by Jin as a sign of his newfound respect for his fellow raftaway.

personally..i have this crazy theory that the watch is really...............a watch... simple enough

thank for the reminder. i remember now on the raft. well.. that gives a new light to michael. :)

the watch has a meaning. when they go out of their way to show you that is Jin's watch it is called foreshadowing. These are clues that the writers want us to see. It is not like someone took a screenshot and in the upper left hand corner in the reflection of a mirror you can see Jin's watch.

remember that we have presented with a puzzle and have been challenged to figure it out. so it makes sense that the watch is a clue regarding something to come in the near future.

It could mean many things. If the watch were truly intended to be delivered to someone in LA, then Hanso is certainly a reasonable candidate. If the watch were hiding a transponder to locate the island, then it was never intended for delivery, and the inscription is just there to make the whole ruse look convincing.

I'm suspecting that...

The fact that they've just made an effort to remind the viewers that Michael had the watch (only us rabid enthusiasts still remembered that, otherwise)
The fact that they included otherwise unnecessary dialog to remind those who still didn't remember that it came from Jin
The fact that they curiously didn't show Michael's rescue and how he got back into the USA without attracting attention (and presumably, without a passport...)...is set-up for their revealing the watch's purpose in the story in the next few episodes.

We'll see...

Have to agree - sometimes a watch is just a watch but coupled with the Missing Pieces in which Jack was given a watch from his father, it seems like there is (or could be) so much more to these particular watches.

it seems like there is (or could be) so much more to these particular watches.

given what we know about time issues relating to the Island, I am not surprise that we have all these watch references. I wonder if Michael selling Jin's watch was a way of indicating time was meaningless to him now? I kind of remember him giving up the watch like he felt it was a useless object to him.

I think the watch is important in MKJ, for a different reason. If you look at the scene of the car crash, the camera makes a conspicuous point of showing unconcious Michael's left / forearm wrist laying on the dash, and the watch is clearly not there.

Moments 'before' the crash, we see him writing the note in the apt, and he's wearing it.

Not long after that he's in the pawnshop, removing it to trade for the gun.

To me it shows his F/B is not in the sequence we were shown. If the reason he's not wearing it tin the crash scene is deliberate, then the car crash is after the pawn scene, the alley scene, and after the Tom hotel scene...the crash and hospital scenes are the last scenes before he turns up on the freighter.

He committed suicide on the pier after Tom recruited him, woke in the hospital and realized he didnt even have a bruise after a horrific crash, might as well go to kill himself on the freighter.

I think the watch had a transponder that Paik was intending to use to locate the island. We haven't been shown Michael's rescue yet, but I suspect that the watch is how he was located out in that big, big ocean. Paik's people were looking for the island, and didn't expect to find Michael.



If the watch has a transponder in it that was intended to locate the island and if Paik's people found it with Michael instead of Jin on the island, then why in the world would they let Michael keep it and go on his merry way?

If the watch has a transponder in it that was intended to locate the island and if Paik's people found it with Michael instead of Jin on the island, then why in the world would they let Michael keep it and go on his merry way?

Good point! Theories:
1) Perhaps Tom could be working for PAIK, which is how he found Michael in the first place.
2) When Ben captured Michael he changed the GPS, so letting Michael go wasn't really letting Michael go! Which would explain how Tom found Michael in New York.
3) The GSP became damaged by the electromagnetic radiation.

The watch could still play a part. If Mr. Paik - or any other mysterious power player - learns the watch was pawned two months after Jin supposedly died in the crash, but a month or more before the O6 made it back home, he's going to ask some questions that could lead to the island.

I think the watch is important in MKJ, for a different reason. If you look at the scene of the car crash, the camera makes a conspicuous point of showing unconcious Michael's left / forearm wrist laying on the dash, and the watch is clearly not there.

Moments 'before' the crash, we see him writing the note in the apt, and he's wearing it.


I agree, they lingered on the post-crash view of Michael's wrist.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/MW.jpg

If the watch has a transponder in it that was intended to locate the island and if Paik's people found it with Michael instead of Jin on the island, then why in the world would they let Michael keep it and go on his merry way?

I can see several possible reasons. Maybe more than one of these can be true at the same time:
By that time, it was a useless trinket to them. They were looking for an island, one which in fact may have their Big Boss' daughter stranded on it, and this joker in the boat gummed-up the entire plan. They would be very annoyed, and not the least interested in who actually had the watch in the end.
They had no intention of letting Michael know that they were searching for the island. In this situation, they would ply Michael with questions about where he came from but not tell him why. They'd show no interest in the watch.
There might have been a great deal of secrecy surrounding their mission and they were told to disclose nothing that they didn't have to disclose about it. They would have had some "fake" mission as a cover story. In that case, showing an interest in the watch would have disclosed that they had knowledge that they weren't supposed to have.We should note that we've been shown nothing about Michael's actual rescue at sea, which should have some interesting consequences, considering that he got back to the USA without any fanfare (hence his mother's having to keep his return a secret) and he presumably entered the country without a passport. I'm suspecting he's made some deal with his rescuers in addition to his deal with Ben. Michael may very well be a double-agent for two baddies; he's holding not one, but two tigers by the tail.

He's probably in a very bad spot...

I agree, they lingered on the post-crash view of Michael's wrist.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/MW.jpg

You can't really tell, by this screen cap if Michael has the watch watch on or not. Look at the edge of the shirt sleeve, it looks like there is something on Michael's wrist, it appears to be partially round.

Yeah, I saw that Sam....it's a button on the cuff of his jacket. I don't really dwell on this issue, but thought it was worth posting this cap since I already had it in my photo album.

I, somehow, also captured this of Michael in the "zero hour" of his crash. Yeah, I have a lot of spare time. "Warp speed Michael."

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/MZ.jpg

The watch could still play a part. If Mr. Paik - or any other mysterious power player - learns the watch was pawned two months after Jin supposedly died in the crash, but a month or more before the O6 made it back home, he's going to ask some questions that could lead to the island.

Since Jin is buried in Korea I believe he was one of the O8. So, Jin didn't die in the Crash. HOWEVER, the watch does show up before Jin does! Great Point! I believe Paik has already talked to Michael because the watch had a GPS on it, (My theory).
I don't believe the story Michael told to Sayid and Desmond about how he got onto the boat.

Since Jin is buried in Korea I believe he was one of the O8. So, Jin didn't die in the Crash.

The date of death given on Jin's tombstone is the date of the plane crash (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Jins_grave.jpg). The O6 seem to be telling the rest of the world that Jin was one of the original victims. (Personally, I hope he's not dead at all).

The date of death given on Jin's tombstone is the date of the plane crash (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Jins_grave.jpg). The O6 seem to be telling the rest of the world that Jin was one of the original victims. (Personally, I hope he's not dead at all).

Okay, I missed that date. And they wouldn't say Claire died if Kate was telling everyone that Aaron belonged to Kate. However, who the O8 are is for a different thread.

Paik knows where Michael is would be my guess.