Ghost with a bandaid on her head...nah

Just trying to point out that it seems people who think claire is dead didnt bother to watch the episode again to see if it holds up. I dont know about you but I dont know of any senario that would allow a bandaid to be applied to a ghost:confused:

I have also never seen, in all my years of viewing shows and movies, a ghost take a nap

Miles infatuation with Claire seems to have been created for the sole purpose of showing James as her protector. (just as the previous episdoe did). James calls her some very affectionate names as well which leads me to think he's starting to really like her. Something is cooking..but its not paranormal its hormonal

The other reason for the miles stalking parts were so that this line could be uttered---what are you..her big brother??

This was written in THIS episode because Jack is Claires big brother and the question of who Aaron is really related to was being addressed(jacks fight scene with Kate)

there is a nice long thread re. this that you already posted in...I even mentioned the band aid on her head, breast feeding, etc. why don't you just go post there? ;)

Still think she could've died during the night. Pbbbbt!

Miles infatuation with Claire seems to have been created for the sole purpose of showing James as her protector.

I don't think that Miles is infatuated with Claire. His focus is on Aaron...he's sensing something unusual (?) about the baby.

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I don't think Claire died during the explosion, but there is a possibility that she died during the night. I can only think of a few scenarios that would cause Claire to leave her baby...it would have to be something drastic. Dying would be one of them.

I don't think that Miles is infatuated with Claire. His focus is on Aaron...he's sensing something unusual (?) about the baby.

Agreed. Hence Miles' offer to take Aaron when Claire stumbled. When she refused, he even tried to push it. "Are you sure? I'm good with kids."

Plus it's a nice throwback to when she first met Christian as a grownup in Par Avion. She had a bandaid on her forehead back then too. It's a Shephard thing (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/The%20Shephards/bandaidtwins-1.jpg). :p

I don't believe Claire is dead. For one thing, why would the Island/the Universe want Aaron to be raised by a ghost?

Why would the universe/Island separate Aaron from Claire? If Ben speaks for the island, then why did the others try to take Aaron from Claire in the first place? In the Island world of two sides, light and dark, maybe something wants them separated as badly as Malkin wanted them together. And in a world of course corrections, maybe Aaron is just supposed to be raised by another. Malkin never said Claire would definitely raise Aaron, just that it would be bad if she didn't.

Why would the universe/Island separate Aaron from Claire? If Ben speaks for the island, then why did the others try to take Aaron from Claire in the first place? In the Island world of two sides, light and dark, maybe something wants them separated as badly as Malkin wanted them together. And in a world of course corrections, maybe Aaron is just supposed to be raised by another. Malkin never said Claire would definitely raise Aaron, just that it would be bad if she didn't.

Ben speaks for Jacob... that doesn't mean he speaks for the Island. The Island/Jacob very well may be two separate forces (a strong contention of mine for a while).

Ha! You might want to let Ben know he's not speaking for the island. He certainly considers himself the protector of the island. And here's my point: Do the Island and the Course have the same agenda? We simply can't know that.

Ha! You might want to let Ben know he's not speaking for the island. He certainly considers himself the protector of the island.

Ha! I would let him know, but he's too megalomaniacal to listen. :rolleyes: :biggrin:

And here's my point: Do the Island and the Course have the same agenda? We simply can't know that.

I agree, it's always seemed like their are two competing forces at work on the Island/show.

I dont know about you but I dont know of any senario that would allow a bandaid to be applied to a ghost:confused:

Charlie got a haircut and some new threads as a ghost or whatever.

Speaking of band-aids I wonder why Frank had one on his forehead when he ran out of the jungle into Sawyer et al? I don't remember seeing him with it before... anyone?

Exile, the head injury was seen when they first arrived on the island. He had the injury when he saw the cow....remember? Juliet bandaged it up for him....this is when Frank realized that Juliet wasn't on the manifest.

Exile, the head injury was seen when they first arrived on the island. He had the injury when he saw the cow....remember? Juliet bandaged it up for him....this is when Frank realized that Juliet wasn't on the manifest.

Thank you, that's been bothering me all afternoon.

Ghost with a bandaid on her head...nah

Just trying to point out that it seems people who think claire is dead didnt bother to watch the episode again to see if it holds up. I dont know about you but I dont know of any senario that would allow a bandaid to be applied to a ghost:confused:

The other reason for the miles stalking parts were so that this line could be uttered---what are you..her big brother??

This was written in THIS episode because Jack is Claires big brother and the question of who Aaron is really related to was being addressed(jacks fight scene with Kate)

All good points, but we saw clearly that Christian was able to physically hold the baby. He appears to be a tangible, corporeal form. If true, there's no reason that Claire can't have a Bandaid pressed to her head. As for the napping, you can't base the validity of one fictional piece on other works of fiction. And considering that paranormal anomalies are not proven fact, the writers have artistic license to create any rules they choose in the fictional universe they create.

I don't like the Claire is dead theory, but it makes sense in light of what we have seen. I wonder if perhaps, she doesn't realize she died. She is still able to hold the baby, walk around, and everyone interacts with her. Maybe Christian came to break the news and take her off to the world of island zombies. He convinced her, so she left Aaron behind.

I also got the impression that Miles was perplexed. He sees dead people all the time, but no one else does. He can't figure out how everyone can interact with someone who he knows is dead. Also there's this comment right after Sawyer carried Claire to the house after the explosion:

LOCKE: Claire?
SAWYER: You all right, sweetheart?
CLAIRE: Yeah, a bit wobbly, but, uh, I'll live.
MILES: Well, I wouldn't be too sure about that.

I agree that Sawyer is becoming close to Claire. But it seems like a big brother thing to me so far. I could see it building to something more, if she lives....and if he lives.

Ben speaks for Jacob... that doesn't mean he speaks for the Island. The Island/Jacob very well may be two separate forces (a strong contention of mine for a while).

I have been contemplating this idea lately too. I wonder if Ben is falling out of favor with the island, but doesn't quite realize and accept it yet. And I am not sure Jacob wants Ben speaking for him anymore either, since he pleaded to Locke for help, and seems to be hiding from Ben now.


Why would the universe/Island separate Aaron from Claire? If Ben speaks for the island, then why did the others try to take Aaron from Claire in the first place? In the Island world of two sides, light and dark, maybe something wants them separated as badly as Malkin wanted them together. And in a world of course corrections, maybe Aaron is just supposed to be raised by another. Malkin never said Claire would definitely raise Aaron, just that it would be bad if she didn't.

"The island claimed one of the castaways for it's own" (Claire?) according to the preview. And danger surrounds the baby. So if Claire is really dead, the pink snuggly turniphead suddenly becomes bad news.

According to the psychic, in Raised By Another:
MALKIN:
"This child parented by anyone else, anyone other than you -- danger surrounds this baby.
Your nature, your spirit, your goodness, must be an influence in the development of this child.
There is no happy life -- not for this child, not without you.
It can't be another. You mustn't allow another to raise your baby.
Ms. Littleton, please. The baby needs your protection. Ms. Littleton, please. "

(If Claire's dead) Maybe the island wants Aaron off ..its self, now that Claire is not there to protect him from the danger. The psychic makes it sound like if she doesn't influence Aaron with her goodness, he will turn out evil or end up being raised by someone evil. So maybe the island wants to separate Aaron from the evil influence that the psychic saw in his future without his mother. Perhaps that evil influence is Ben. He is a known baby stealer after all.

If Claire's alive....then nevermind.

Plus it's a nice throwback to when she first met Christian as a grownup in Par Avion. She had a bandaid on her forehead back then too. It's a Shephard thing (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/MrsJackShephard/The%20Shephards/bandaidtwins-1.jpg). :p

I don't believe Claire is dead. For one thing, why would the Island/the Universe want Aaron to be raised by a ghost?

Is it a Shepard thing because they are the same person? anyway Claire isn't dead I can't believe so many people believe this. Usually a dead person will only make them self visable to a person on a intimate setting not to ten people in a house and at a camp fire.

Who else saw it? Just Miles. I'm not sure why it's so hard to swallow that she might have suffered a mortal head wound and ghosted off into the night. Hers wouldn't be the first corpse to disappear, and Christian (among others) has been ghosting around since Season One. Let's be fair. She would have only been seen by one person and that is Miles. For three seasons people have been predicting her death, and now that the baby is going to be gone, what reason would there be to keep her around? There is no guarantee that she will ever make it off the island or that Aaron would ever return to the island.

Who else saw it? Just Miles. I'm not sure why it's so hard to swallow that she might have suffered a mortal head wound and ghosted off into the night. Hers wouldn't be the first corpse to disappear, and Christian (among others) has been ghosting around since Season One. Let's be fair. She would have only been seen by one person and that is Miles. For three seasons people have been predicting her death, and now that the baby is going to be gone, what reason would there be to keep her around? There is no guarantee that she will ever make it off the island or that Aaron would ever return to the island.
I really like the idea that she died during the night ...not "dead" as you and I view dead though. Claire is "dead" like Charlie. Therefore,Malkin's prophecy can still come to fruition. Claire's "nature and "goodness" can still be an influence on how he is raised.
I believe the Island never wanted the O6 to leave and that is why it is sending it's messenger's like Charlie and Christian to convince them to return. It is Aaron's destiny to be on the Island. He must have a purpose there. Jack was right when he told Kate,"We were not supposed to leave!"

Who else saw it? Just Miles. I'm not sure why it's so hard to swallow that she might have suffered a mortal head wound and ghosted off into the night. Hers wouldn't be the first corpse to disappear, and Christian (among others) has been ghosting around since Season One. Let's be fair. She would have only been seen by one person and that is Miles. For three seasons people have been predicting her death, and now that the baby is going to be gone, what reason would there be to keep her around? There is no guarantee that she will ever make it off the island or that Aaron would ever return to the island.

Yeah..and for 3 seasons they have been wrong.:biggrin:

First, I think its a very cool idea--but that is the only reason to think she is dead.

There was almost nothing on the screen that would lead to that conclusion and too much to contradict it.

Miles said he wasnt sure clarie would live because almost the entire camp had been killed at that point.:confused: It was also said by no less than 4 characters that everyone there was going to killed---so should we post a theory that No One actually made it out of the camp? Thats the logic being used.

I have seen arguments backed up by almost nothing before that were actually true---so Im not saying that its impossible she is dead. What Im saying is this was a total guess, backed up by nothing, and just because it would be really cool---a ton of people are buying.

I don't think Claire is dead, but Miles has probably sensed something negative around her, like something bad is going to happen to her. His offer to help her with the baby, well, it sounds just like he was willing to help, no more, no less, I don't think he had some strange reason for it.
And I don't see romantic interest neither from Miles or from Sawyer, who really seems to only want to protect her.

I don't get any romance vibe from either of them either. I think that maybe Miles wanted to take the baby to get a better "read" on what he was sensing, or to try and determine which of the two he was actually getting the vibes from.

I don't get any romance vibe from either of them either. I think that maybe Miles wanted to take the baby to get a better "read" on what he was sensing, or to try and determine which of the two he was actually getting the vibes from.

Yes, may be. I didn't consider this. I am trying to remind if Miles had the chance to see Claire or Aaron separate since he was captured by Locke. I don't think so.

Ben speaks for Jacob... that doesn't mean he speaks for the Island. The Island/Jacob very well may be two separate forces (a strong contention of mine for a while).

Ben doesn't speak for the Island or for Jacob. He tries to con people into thinking that he speaks for Jacob, who in turn speaks for the island. And he tries to kill people who might actually be able to speak for Jacob.

And the fact that Jacob is in need of someone to speak for him... I'll reiterate, because I think it's so important, what Eko said: "Aaron was a great man. Moses had great difficulty speaking so it was Aaron who spoke for him." I think that is what Aaron's destiny is, and why he is so important.

"Aaron was a great man. Moses had great difficulty speaking so it was Aaron who spoke for him."

That's a really good point. But, in this case, who is Moses? The island? Jacob? Many, many times it's Jack who has been in the Moses position. It's Jack who has led not one, but two, Exoduses (Exodi?).

That's a really good point. But, in this case, who is Moses? The island? Jacob? Many, many times it's Jack who has been in the Moses position. It's Jack who has led not one, but two, Exoduses (Exodi?).

I think Jack is "Moses". In the Bible,Moses and Aaron are brothers. By the time we see Jack in the FF at the airport,he is a wreck....no one is gonna listen to him esp. not Kate. I think Aaron will be the one who gets them back..... Aaron will be the reason,Kate returns. The Island needs Jack and Aaron,imo.

Ha! It'll be a scene out of Close Encounters, only Aaron will be sculpting islands out of mashed potatoes.

I think Jack is "Moses". In the Bible,Moses and Aaron are brothers. By the time we see Jack in the FF at the airport,he is a wreck....no one is gonna listen to him esp. not Kate. I think Aaron will be the one who gets them back..... Aaron will be the reason Kate returns. The Island needs Jack and Aaron,imo.

sound like someone agrees with my "Christian is Aaron's dad, Taboo Incest" theory! How else could Jack and Aaron be brothers? (Please just don't claim you thought of it first if it turns out to be correct, I'm taking a lot of cr*p for it.) I think Christian/Charlie is who gets them to go back, so that IS the Island, yes?

Remember the bedroom painting of a 10 yr.old Aaron riding his bike in Other village? I think that's about how it will all end.

How else could Jack and Aaron be brothers?

I can assure you NOBODY is interpreting it literally. Danielle was not a cranky man born in Geneva and Locke does not speak with a British accent either.

if it turns out to be correct

...ABC would rather cancel LOST, fire Damon, close the set and forget it ever existed than greenlight a story where Claire slept with her father and had his baby so no, it won't turn out to be correct.

I'm not declaring a position either way on this one (I've speculated both ways), but I don't think anything that's been mentioned so far completely eliminates the possibility of her being a ghost. It wouldn't surprise me.

I don't think Claire died during the explosion, but there is a possibility that she died during the night. I can only think of a few scenarios that would cause Claire to leave her baby...it would have to be something drastic. Dying would be one of them.


I'm with you. As a mum myself, plus what an awesome mum Claire is (remember when she freaked out when Charlie had Aaron) There is nothing other than death that would make Claire leave her baby alone in a tree. If it was her choice, she would have left Aaron safely with Sawyer. I just can't see her walking away from Aaron and leaving him alone, probably crying. OMG it was TORTURE letting my babies cry it out!!!

a story where Claire slept with her father and had his baby so no, it won't turn out to be correct.
Such a lot of assumptions!
2 words: "artificial insemination", like how Locke was "immaculately conceived", etc.
sigh :rolleyes:

Aside from the fact that we don't know yet that's how Locke was conceived...

Do you honestly think that is less GROSS and would be any more appropriate for ABC's dept. of standards and practices? Seriously? Cause I have a pretty morbid sense of humor myself, but it's off in fandom because seriousness abounds here on all topics.

sound like someone agrees with my "Christian is Aaron's dad, Taboo Incest" theory! How else could Jack and Aaron be brothers? (Please just don't claim you thought of it first if it turns out to be correct, I'm taking a lot of cr*p for it.) I think Christian/Charlie is who gets them to go back, so that IS the Island, yes?

Remember the bedroom painting of a 10 yr.old Aaron riding his bike in Other village? I think that's about how it will all end.

LOL! I just mentioned the bike in Otherville on another post!
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sound like someone agrees with my "Christian is Aaron's dad, Taboo Incest" theory! How else could Jack and Aaron be brothers? (Please just don't claim you thought of it first if it turns out to be correct, I'm taking a lot of cr*p for it.) I think Christian/Charlie is who gets them to go back, so that IS the Island, yes?

Remember the bedroom painting of a 10 yr.old Aaron riding his bike in Other village? I think that's about how it will all end.

I'm afraid I do not agree that Christian is Aaron's father. Ewwww! I said Aaron and Moses were brother's in the Bible and I think Jack represents " Moses" but I think being Aaron's blood relative as his uncle is close enough. Christian even artificially inseminating Claire would be very yuck! But I do think many of the Losties were conceived via a.i. just not all by Christian.

I do agree the Island via the "undead" like Charlie and Christian possibly other assumed "dead" characters convince them to go back to the Island. And Aaron is somehow the way...Jack finally is convinced and helps round up the O6 but Kate will need Aaron to convince her either directly or indirectly.

I don't think that Miles is infatuated with Claire. His focus is on Aaron...he's sensing something unusual (?) about the baby.

Agreed. Hence Miles' offer to take Aaron when Claire stumbled. When she refused, he even tried to push it. "Are you sure? I'm good with kids."

I completely agree. Miles' interest was in Aaron, not Claire.

If Claire is dead, which I don't believe she is, it was during the night when she saw Christian, not before that. All these convoluted theories are great, but I've noticed recently that most of the mysteries this season have been resolved by the simplest answer, not complicated ones. There just doesn't seem to be much evidence for Claire being dead other than she left Aaron. Claire being dead is an interesting theory, but there's probably a simpler explanation for her walking away with Christian that we just don't know about yet.

And I don't see romantic interest neither from Miles or from Sawyer, who really seems to only want to protect her.

But you should be able to see why it was written that way.

See, here is the problem with many viewers..they convince themselves they are viewing actual behavoir instead of calculated writing

You can understand the scenes much better if you put your self in the writers shoes, with pen in hand, instead of simply trying to witness behavoir

As I said, it is quite obvious much of this was setup to deliver the line.."what are you..her big brother?". That type of obvious reference to Jack(and later her father shows up) isnt an afterthought...its calculated beforehand because this was about Jack taking care Aaron and leaving people behind on the Island. That line can only be delivered if Miles is in conflict with Saywer over Claire.

That was the main point of the entire Miles stalking scenes. See, people like to look foward, as if some strange answer lies ahead instead of looking to the very episode the action took place and noticing the Theme of the episode instead of seeing it as collection of facts.

To see those scenes as not related to Jack(whose episode it was) is to miss the point.