re we to assume it was Locke's dad? The original Sawyer, or possibly someone else? If the island has been trying to find Locke, is it possible that some other force is trying to destroy him? Think about the car hit his mother before he was born and they started calling him a miracle...and his deadbeat sawyer dad tried to kill him by throwing him from a highrise building? Are the islands powers saving him over and over again........

And is it the same guy that hit Michael?
Does the Island have a "driver"?

Would be interesting if someone on Widmore's side or another character was trying to kill John and not necessarily his mother... taht would be messed up. As for it being his actual dad, I doubt that... either he loved Emily or he was conning her, killing her right in front of her own house seems really stupid, and not a move he'd pull. I mean the mother would have most likely recognized the car and driver...

There are an awful lot of people being hit by cars.

There are an awful lot of people being hit by cars.

and buses apparently too...

I had assumed that it just happened to be an accident...but on this show, accidents don't just happen...

I doubt the driver was somebody we know, but I just had an interesting thought - could Richard (or someone) have sent someone to hit Emily, just to see if John would survive it, to gather evidence of his specialness?

And is it the same guy that hit Michael?
Does the Island have a "driver"?

Don't forget Nadia! I think that's stretching it, though, to think that they were all hit by the same person.

After finding out Emily was pregnant, I assumed the driver was her baby daddy who wanted to get the child out of the picture. Who knows what his situation was back then, like if he was already married.

That's what I was wondering -- who hit Emily. The thought of it being Richard did cross my mind, but I don't think that makes sense.

sure it does, it's got to be Richard, he gets around, and has been watching the losties all along.

Oooh, the Dharma Death Driver.

But what about Locke's conception being immaculate? Is Cooper his real father?

Would be interesting if someone on Widmore's side or another character was trying to kill John and not necessarily his mother... taht would be messed up. As for it being his actual dad, I doubt that... either he loved Emily or he was conning her, killing her right in front of her own house seems really stupid, and not a move he'd pull. I mean the mother would have most likely recognized the car and driver...


widmore would at most probably be 10 years or less older than locke i dont think he has ambitions of any island and some weird game at 10

Oooh, the Dharma Death Driver.

But what about Locke's conception being immaculate? Is Cooper his real father?
Yes, yes.. that's a very important point. Emily has always been referred to as crazy because she always said that John was immaculately conceived. Perhaps the accident caused something, because she definitely didn't look 6 month pregnant when she walked out the door.

I think some people are assuming that Cooper was his father and that he may be the one that ran over Emily....others are also assuming that Widmore was very young...none of these things are fact....how do we know if Cooper was really his father, he was a con man after all....and Widmore...he very well could be atime traveler...and let's not take for granted that this has been going on for a very long time all these things on the island, so when I say Wodmore'a people, I mean the people whose side he is on, which I am assuming is the other side from Ben....all things are possible on this show...and let's not forget that many many people have benn run over by vehicles...and they all seem to have something to do with this island....the ones we know about: Emily, Juliets first husband, Michael...come on help me out, I know there are more...one's we haven't seen on screen, but have been told about....so, I am suggesting that it is possible that the opposing force of the island may be involved in the car that ran down Emily....it seems to me this has been a running theme since the first season, anyone else with me????

I'll admit anything's possible, and I like the idea of Cooper not being Locke's real father, mostly because Cooper was such a jerk, but remember Emily said she lied about that "immaculate conception" story, at Cooper's bequest. And if Cooper wasn't Locke's real father, why did he want his kidney (as opposed to any other kidney out there)?

I also think the possibility that Emily's accident was a "hit" on Locke is strong, but doubt it was Cooper. I see no reason for him to try to kill Locke. A man who changes his identify constantly doesn't need to kill his pregnant girlfriend just to avoid fatherhood. And if he had another reason for wanting Locke dead (for instance had knowledge that Locke would eventually cause his own death), why didn't he just try again at the hospital, when Locke was a little defenseless boy, etc.

If anyone has an interest in seeing Locke killed before he was even born, I'd say it's Ben, who could easily time-travel back to the 1950's to drive that car into Emily.

Then again, it may have simply been a random accident, and what we're supposed to take from this is that Locke was always destined to perform The Island's work. Thus, he was able to survive a major trauma in the womb, make it as a preemie way back in the 1950's, survive a fall from several stories, survive a plane crash, etc. He's been under The Island's protection since his conception.

I can't help but think that it was not just an accident. I don't know, but for me it felt a bit to "neat" of a collison, in that it was almost like the car was aiming for Locke's mum?
Why? Well, if people knew that the unborn baby was special then this could be viewed as a way of testing to see if it actually is. So, does that mean Alpert may have been behind the wheel or Abaddon perhaps?

Can anyone find screencaps of the car that hit emily and the one outside of Locke's foster home when Alpert visited? I know they were both blue, but I'm not sure if the were the same model.

If they turn out to be the same, perhaps Alpert was the driver who hit Emily. However, I don't think he did it on purpose; it was a random accident. He later visits the hospital to see the miracle baby that he should've killed and knows Locke is "special." Then, when Locke is old enough, Alpert comes to visit him at the foster home to see if he is "chosen."

The car that hit Emily, is the same car that she has pinned to her corkboard in the opening scene. (It's on the top left of the corkboard).

My guess is that whoever hit her, was the father of the baby. I also think it just might be Richard himself.

My Girlfriend has just raised an interesting point with this issue which may be indicative of who was driving the car...
In Series 3, I think the epsiode may be Not in Portland or whatever it was called, (It was Juliet's flashback) We see that Claire's ex-partner is ran over by a bus. We are led to believe that the person driving it was acting on her wishes, at least thats how I took it, anyway Alpert could very well have been driving that bus. Therefore, Alpert is a dab-hand at ploughing people down?....Who knows?

I think.. it was an accident..

I think.. it was an accident..
True.... Why would anyone from Dharma risk injury to the unborn baby by hitting Emily with a car?

True.... Why would anyone from Dharma risk injury to the unborn baby by hitting Emily with a car?

A couple things,Dharma was not founded until the 70's. Now that's not to say Hanso or others weren't already experimenting in the 50's but I think it was either the baby's father and/or an Islander.

As to why would anyone risk it? Maybe someone or some "force" did not want Locke born or maybe they knew the "miracle baby" would survive. One other possibility is that Emily was supposed to lose her baby so infant Locke could be placed in the hospital and assumed to be hers. After Emily gave birth, the "infant" was wrapped up and rushed out so maybe it died and they substituted Locke.."the special baby".

Some Dharma personnel could possibly time travel back..... who could that be?

re we to assume it was Locke's dad? The original Sawyer, or possibly someone else? If the island has been trying to find Locke, is it possible that some other force is trying to destroy him? Think about the car hit his mother before he was born and they started calling him a miracle...and his deadbeat sawyer dad tried to kill him by throwing him from a highrise building? Are the islands powers saving him over and over again........

I would put my money on Richard sense he was there at the hospital after the fact. Also Juliette ex was ran down by a bus a Richard had that devilish look about him.

Lets not forget that many many characters have been hit by movingh vehicles..I have already listed Juliet's ex, MIchael, Lockes mother, -- there was also Cooper who was hit by a car before appearing on the island...Jacks first wife was in a car accident with Shannon's dad, and I know there are nore....car accidents are not just accidents on this show....they are not just there, they are actually more than just plot, but a signifacant part of the overall story....we have already been shown that Juliet wished her husband would be hit by a bus, and then he was....and then lets not forget they love Biblical references on this show and there has to be more than one to tie this to...is it a reference to Passover-- where they killed all the first borns? It may be....but this accident was more than just an accident....

It was either an accident, or it wasn't.

If it was an accident, the driver is inconsequential.

If it wasn't an accident, the driver had to either want Emily dead, or knew of Locke's destiny and wanted him dead. There is no way that they would know that the accident wouldn't kill them both.

The only one we know that may want Emily dead is the probable father, Cooper. I agree with the previous poster that said Cooper, being a con man, really wouldn't give a hoot about getting a teeny bopper pregnant. He'd just move on to the next town.

So, that leaves someone that would want Locke killed. Richard seems to be more helpful to Locke than anyone, so it's not him. Abaddon, who allegedly works for Widmore (I'm not convinced of that), helps Locke as well. Does that mean Widmore wouldn't want Locke killed? Actually, probably not since Locke seems to be a thorn in Ben's side (the enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that).

If it wan't an accident, my guess is that it is Ben who was behind the wheel (perhaps figuratively). Ben is the only one that we know of (at this point), that would want to see Locke bumped off.

However, the question that needs asked is, If someone really wanted Locke to die, but failed with the auto accident, why didn't they try again?

Therefore, I believe it was an accident so the driver is inconsequential.

Somewhere around here over the weekend on another thread, I posted something that makes sense at least to me... LOL!

Maybe Richard arranged for Emily to be hit so she would be taken to the hospital where babies could be switched...baby Locke replaced Emily's real baby that either died or was taken elsewhere. As soon as Emily's baby was born,the Nurse rushed out of the delivery room with the baby totally wrapped up ...face and all. Maybe it died and Emily was given baby Locke.

We should start a poll:

_X_ Do you think Emily was hit on purpose? (this is my vote)

___ Or do you think it was on accident?


If indeed it was on purpose, it would seem as if the car that hit her is the same as what she had a picture of on her wall in her bedroom.

If that is the case, then that means it probably was Cooper, since we know for CERTAIN that Cooper is John's biological father (recall the kidney transplant).

So it seems to me that Cooper has now tried to kill John at least twice during his life. Once when he was still in Emily's womb, and again when he threw him out of the 8th story window.

I can't decide if I think it was an accident or not. But if it was on purpose, I think Alpert either arranged it or was driving the car himself. I think maybe the nurse was in on whatever was going on - maybe some sort of 'training' or something to 'groom' Locke for his destiny.

I can't decide if I think it was an accident or not. But if it was on purpose, I think Alpert either arranged it or was driving the car himself. I think maybe the nurse was in on whatever was going on - maybe some sort of 'training' or something to 'groom' Locke for his destiny.

What clues would support the idea that Alpert was behind it? Just wondering...

What would be the point of traveling back in time to try to kill Locke? Weren't we told that you can't change the past due to course correction?

My money is on a young David "Cheech" Reyes. Hugo had to learn his offensive driving skills somewhere.

It certainly seems that motor vehicles are a weapon of choice for the island. It seems to me though that it is a very poor choice unless you know the outcome. All the accidents could have ended like Juliet's husband unless you knew that the people involved wouldn't die. Hmmmm?

Okay, I've got it! We have Locke's mom, Michael and Juliette's ex having been struck by cars. We have Susan, Shannon's dad and Locke's dad who have all been in car accidents. What does this tell you? I think it's very clear that the autos have gained cognitive awareness and are behind the whole thing! The plane too! It purposely crashed them on that island, killing who didn't belong and saving the lives of those who did. It's the machines I tell you! The machines! ;)
There are a lot of vehicle accidents though.

What would be the point of traveling back in time to try to kill Locke? Weren't we told that you can't change the past due to course correction?

Very good point. What we've seen so far is that course correction works when it comes to trying to save someone. Eventually they will die in a short time anyway.

I don't know if there can be a course correction if someone is killed but it wasn't their time. The issue with Michael not being able to die has been attributed to the power of the island, not to course correction.

Let's not forget that Locke himself was hit by a car, and I thinkit happened during S2? Anyone remember this? I thinkit was when he met his Mother in the parking lot, but my memory is not all there....

Let's not forget that Locke himself was hit by a car, and I thinkit happened during S2? Anyone remember this? I thinkit was when he met his Mother in the parking lot, but my memory is not all there....


It's been a while since I saw it, but I think Locke followed his mom out of the store where he worked. I remember thinking, before he stood up and brushed it off, that it was how Locke became crippled.

Question: Who was driving the car that hit Emily?

Answer: Jack "Racer X" Shepherd!

No? Okay, umm, then I'm on board with you who say it was Cooper because that slimy rat was definitely capable of such a despicable act. But if this question goes ultimately unanswered then we'll have to chalk it up as just an accident, and who was the driver being unimportant. Just like we never found out who was driving the car that hit Michael... or WHY HURLEYS RENTAL CAR BROKE DOWN!!!!! :eek:

I don't think it was Alpert...he has always been shown to want to help Locke reach his potential and fullfill his destiny of being a part of the island-quite possibly the island's protector. So maybe Locke can't be killed because he's protected by the island and has a purpose, but by messing up his childhood (prematurely born, taken from his mother, not given a secure environment to flourish in), he can be emotionally scarred during childhood which lead to his defiance and prevented him from becoming the type of person Alpert or the island seems to need him to be.

So who would not want John to become the island's protector and move the island as hinted at last week? Maybe Widmore? Not that I'm saying Widmore was driving but somebody from his side of the backgammon board.

Claire's mom died from the injuries she suffered in a car accident. Claire walked away from the same accident by the way.

and buses apparently too..

Oh goodness - totally forgot that scene!

One of the most surprising (though it was for a character we didn't really care for) scenes of the show ever.

And Hurley likes to run people over with Dharma vans too;)

Claire's mom died from the injuries she suffered in a car accident. Claire walked away from the same accident by the way.

As far as we know, Claire's mom is still in coma.
100%
My money is on whomever fathered the child also being the driver. Emily seemed very excited for her date, so she may have told her guy about the pregnancy and he initially told her what she wanted to hear. And since she was going to meet her lover when she was run over, that gives her mystery man both motive and opportunity.

it was richard alpert, hes always hitting people with cars or buses.

Paik (Sun's Dad as a young man) we haven't heard boo from him in a while now. ;)

So, we have said that Emily, Nadia and Michael were hit by cars, Juliet's husband was hit by a bus, Jack didn't jump off the bridge in the FF because he had to save a family from a car accident, Shannon's dad died in a car accident and Claire's mom was in a bad accident which left here in a coma. Oh and one of the other's was hit by the VW bus in the season 3 finale while Hurley was behind the wheel.

It seems like car accidents are a recurring theme here. Any others?

The car accidents are just that, accidents. Juliet, wished for her ex's death by bus because she remembers it from a time traveling incident. She might not realize it but she remembers. Car accidents happen a lot, go ahead and ask everyone you know who has been in a car accident. I bet most have. I'm not saying that there is no significance, I'm just saying that they are accidents.

he gave Cooper his kidney because he was his father. i'm sure when they did bloodwork before the operation they would have known he wasn't his father