This might already have been theorized in one of the threads asking why there were 8 survivors of the Oceanic 815 lie... but as far as I am aware, no one has really brought this up... maybe that's just because it's a stupidish theory :) I dunno... but the idea is maybe they had to make up the lie that originally 8 survivors survived the crash but a couple died on the Island and now there is only six has been a significant question. Maybe it's to make it more believable... but maybe it was because of that note Charlie and Claire sent out on the bird. The producers said something about the bird probably not getting to anyone so this might have nothing to do with anything... but maybe it was just covering their bases.

Good thought, but the note, as far as I can tell, never identified any individuals, nor did it indicate how many survivors there were. It does say after 6 hours they headed back toward Fiji though.

The Charlie thought is good though. Maybe they're afraid someone got ahold of the transmission Charlie and Penny did, so they had to "add" Charlie.

The problem is that the other 2 never got to Membata, the first island. At least not alive, according to Jack's story.

Good thought, but the note, as far as I can tell, never identified any individuals, nor did it indicate how many survivors there were. It does say after 6 hours they headed back toward Fiji though.
I could have sworn it said how many survived the crash, but then stated that others died on island.

Why did no one in the Press ask who the other two survivers were? I am sure that all of the families of Foight 815 would be wanting to know the fate of their kin -- did they die in the crash or did they survive even for a bit.

I wonder if there's more stuff in the briefing that we don't know about.

Another thought -- if eight survived the crash, that means there are three others -- Aaron was born on the island and I doubt that Jack would have counted him

Another thought -- if eight survived the crash, that means there are three others -- Aaron was born on the island and I doubt that Jack would have counted him

But if Aaron isn't counted, why would they hold a press conference with the "Oceanic Six" and only include five of them?

I think they do count Aaron, since technically he was a passenger on 815, albeit while he was inside "Kate's" uterus.

Another thought -- if eight survived the crash, that means there are three others -- Aaron was born on the island and I doubt that Jack would have counted him


Exactly. My thoughts too.

I just rewatched the trial on Eggtown and Jack said 8 survived and that Kate tried to save the other "two."
Note he said 8 survived the CRASH and I don't think Aaron would have been included at that time, Why didn't anyone catch that and ask about the "third" survivor, By now everyone knows about the Oceanic 6 and that baby Aaron who was born on the island is part of that group.
This could be grounds for Jack and a perjury trial.

But Aaron did survive the actual crash. Inside his mother. And if he didn't count as a survivor, then they would have been calling them the Oceanic Five at the press conference rather than the Oceanic Six.

This might already have been theorized in one of the threads asking why there were 8 survivors of the Oceanic 815 lie... but as far as I am aware, no one has really brought this up... maybe that's just because it's a stupidish theory :) I dunno... but the idea is maybe they had to make up the lie that originally 8 survivors survived the crash but a couple died on the Island and now there is only six has been a significant question. Maybe it's to make it more believable... but maybe it was because of that note Charlie and Claire sent out on the bird. The producers said something about the bird probably not getting to anyone so this might have nothing to do with anything... but maybe it was just covering their bases.

I completely forgot about the note attached to the bird!! I think you are absolutely correct about the note on the bird being the reason why they had to say 2 did not make it.

"To whom it may concern: We are survivors of Oceanic Flight 815. We have survived on this island for 80 days. We were six hours into the flight when the pilot said we were off course and turned back toward Fiji. We hit turbulence and crashed. We've been waiting here all this time--waiting for rescue that has not come. We do not know where we are. We only know you have not found us. We've done our best to live on this island. Some of us have come to accept we may never leave it. Not all of us have survived since the crash. But there is new life, too, and with it, there is hope. We are alive. Please don't give up on us."

But Charlie is dead and Claire is "missing" so unless they are actually being asked about the note Claire sent with the bird at the press conference I doubt any of the O6 would know/remember that it mentioned that someone died on the island.

I think the two dead ones are Shannon and Boone. It can't be Ana Lucia since Hurley told the cop (who questioned him after driving like a mad man) that he's didn't know her... And saying they died on the island (and that they were wonderful people - lie?) the O6 brings peace to Boones mother. None of the others who are left behind/dead had relatives who cared about them... Only Boone (+/- Shannon)

So my money is on Shannon and Boone.

But Aaron did survive the actual crash. Inside his mother. And if he didn't count as a survivor, then they would have been calling them the Oceanic Five at the press conference rather than the Oceanic Six.

But in our normal speaking mode, we don't count unborn fetuses as people. It would be very odd for Jack to say there were 8 survivors, when there were only 7 visible people extant who survived the crash.

Personally, I believe that Aaron is considered one of the O6, but not one of Jack's 8 survivors, which means 3 survivors are unaccounted for.

-AJF

But in our normal speaking mode, we don't count unborn fetuses as people. It would be very odd for Jack to say there were 8 survivors, when there were only 7 visible people extant who survived the crash.

Personally, I believe that Aaron is considered one of the O6, but not one of Jack's 8 survivors, which means 3 survivors are unaccounted for.

-AJF

In Eggtown, Jack says Kate tried to save TWO people but they didn't make it. He later says that the two didn't even survive long enough to make it to Membata. This should mean that 6 people still survived, but it's not. It's only 5 including one pregnant Kate. It's a dumb error, and one that I hope they don't gloss over. Of course, it's not as big an error as why they group ended up 4 or 5 thousand miles west in the wrong ocean, but an error nonetheless.

But if Aaron isn't counted, why would they hold a press conference with the "Oceanic Six" and only include five of them?

I think they do count Aaron, since technically he was a passenger on 815, albeit while he was inside "Kate's" uterus. The story they put forth is that both Kate and Sun were pregnant at the time of the crash so if Jack were double counting pregnant women he would have counted both Kate and Sun as doubles. Why would a doctor count two pregnant women as three people?:confused:

Eight survivors is the count Jack came up with, the Oceanic Six refers to the count the press came up with when they saw the people who were rescued so of course they counted Aaron as number six. Jack's count of 8 mentioned 2 deaths which would leave 6 survivors. Then if we add Aaron there were 7 people alive on the island plus Sun's expected child Oceanic 7 & 1/2. Passenger 007 is missing. This may be explained in future episodes but I think it is really just a writers error on the count.